New Xbox: Xbox Infinity

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bleedorange0037 said:
Yes, it was added to keep companies like GameStop from cutting them off at the knees by doing nothing other than paying someone $20 for a used game and then turning around and selling it for $55. Why should developers not take steps to make sure they get paid for their work? If having the code forces more people to buy the game new, where EA gets a cut of the sale, then good for them IMO. GameStop had the upper hand on them in that regard for a lot of years, and just like any business, developers are going to adapt to try and regain the upper hand.
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thing is, it hurts the consumer way more than it hurts gamestop. it takes rentals or just borrowing a game off the table if you don't want to pony up an extra $10 to try it out for a week or so online. it also hurts ea in a sense as it makes them look like greedy a$$bags to most people.
 
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rpvol said:
thing is, it hurts the consumer way more than it hurts gamestop. it takes rentals or just borrowing a game off the table if you don't want to pony up an extra $10 to try it out for a week or so online. it also hurts ea in a sense as it makes them look like greedy a$$bags to most people.
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Not if they will just stop and think about it for more than two seconds. My perspective is and will continue to be that I like to be paid for the work I do, so I'm not going to begrudge those who share that value or accuse them of being greedy.
 
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The whole online pass thing is nothing more than greedy publishers wanting some of that used sale action. P2P isn't that hard to keep running. And the 13 cents a day argument is so lame considering it's offered nothing more than xbox live parties(which is definitely a great feature, nit sure if it warrants 60 bucks a year). Microsoft is going to have to add some serious value to.justify the cost next-gen as Sony won't make the samemistakes mistake twice with a slow start out the gate with their online functionality.
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
The whole online pass thing is nothing more than greedy publishers wanting some of that used sale action. P2P isn't that hard to keep running. And the 13 cents a day argument is so lame considering it's offered nothing more than xbox live parties(which is definitely a great feature, nit sure if it warrants 60 bucks a year). Microsoft is going to have to add some serious value to.justify the cost next-gen as Sony won't make the samemistakes mistake twice with a slow start out the gate with their online functionality.
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Amazon, Netflix, ESPN, internet radio, Movie apps, Skype, etc etc...it has value. 60 bucks is very fair IMO.

And playing said programs through computer into TV is not the same. The picture and sound is much better through xbox.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Not if they will just stop and think about it for more than two seconds. My perspective is and will continue to be that I like to be paid for the work I do, so I'm not going to begrudge those who share that value or accuse them of being greedy.
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well if you don't think ea is greed ridden, all you have to do is look at what they continue to do to the ncaa football franchise.
 
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38401 said:
How much do y'all see GameStop asking for used Xbox one games now with the secondhand fee attached?
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Gamestop will put themselves out of business if they try that. With the world heading toward cloud gaming, retailers like Gamestop are going to meet the same fate as video rental stores like blockbuster
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Amazon, Netflix, ESPN, internet radio, Movie apps, Skype, etc etc...it has value. 60 bucks is very fair IMO.

And playing said programs through computer into TV is not the same. The picture and sound is much better through xbox.
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All free on the competitor's consoles, PC, most DVD and Blu-Ray players, some TVs, and mobile devices. The Xbox Live party system is it. I think they could justify the cost early on this generation with how far behind everyone else was but Sony has made significant ground to this point.
 
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SWIL said:
Gamestop will put themselves out of business if they try that. With the world heading toward cloud gaming, retailers like Gamestop are going to meet the same fate as video rental stores like blockbuster
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Agree 110%

Just ask Blockbuster.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Well, yes.

Assuming next gen games will be more complex and require faster memory speed, GDDR5 blows DDR3 out of the water in this.

I may be wrong about this, but I think DDR3 has lower latency. This is only an advantage in two cases:

1) The latency of GDDR5 will be too high and an apparent problem.

2) The games don't require the speed of GDDR5 so it doesn't matter.

Both of those are possible, but I'd like to assume that with next gen games come higher poly counts which will require more speed
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I stand corrected, you have a clue. However, I do think that the latency problems with GDDR5 and the application that is going to be used as far as strictly gaming will be a problem.
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
All free on the competitor's consoles, PC, most DVD and Blu-Ray players, some TVs, and mobile devices. The Xbox Live party system is it. I think they could justify the cost early on this generation with how far behind everyone else was but Sony has made significant ground to this point.
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I have not been on PS system in awhile. I have a PS3 a friend left at my house and tried to use it over a year ago. For playing games cool. Streaming quality was ok. My Bluray player and Xbox were superior in quality of stream. the interface was awful. It made using apps seem like I needed to pull out my old DOS skills. Has this aspect changed?
 
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Jewbaccah said:
I have not been on PS system in awhile. I have a PS3 a friend left at my house and tried to use it over a year ago. For playing games cool. Streaming quality was ok. My Bluray player and Xbox were superior in quality of stream. the interface was awful. It made using apps seem like I needed to pull out my old DOS skills. Has this aspect changed?
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No clue, I only have an Xbox 360. The few times I used Netflix on PS3 though things have gone fine, the interface sucked though just like the Xbox 360's does now. That's on Netflix's end though, not sure why it's so hard for them to get it right.
 
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Kotaku: If I’m playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?

Harrison: I believe it’s 24 hours.

Kotaku: I’d have to connect online once every day.

Harrison: Correct.
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http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109

This thing is going to be a nightmare at launch. Same for the whole tying discs to console/online authentication when the codes are broken. Same for when your internet goes down.
 
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almirUT said:
Have fun getting you credit card info stolen on PS3 when it gets hacked
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if you think M$ is above being hacked, you might want to apply for 4-5 more credit cards whose numbers you can store in your 360.

if the right people target you or your company, it's only a matter of time.
 
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almirUT said:
Have fun getting you credit card info stolen on PS3 when it gets hacked
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Great job bringing up something that happened 2yrs(?) ago and hasn't been the least bit vulnerable since. I bet you don't even know the details of it other than it happened. I bet you didn't know Sony spent $200 million so it wouldn't happen again, and they also provided insurance to the 12,000 card holders that may have been at risk(I say may have because no one knows what was taken and what wasn't). To this day there have been no fraudulent purchases that resulted form the attack, so there's that.

You act as if Xbox is hack proof, lol. Last time I checked people are still complaining about their Live accounts being hacked.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Not if they will just stop and think about it for more than two seconds. My perspective is and will continue to be that I like to be paid for the work I do, so I'm not going to begrudge those who share that value or accuse them of being greedy.
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You did get paid for your work. The person whose selling it paid for it.

People should have the right to sell used items and get some of their money back.

Should pawn shops not exist either?

What if someone who paid the full price for your game is now hurting for money and wants to get anything they can by selling off possessions? Now, you're preventing people from selling off something they bought the rights to and are preventing them from recuperate anything they can squeeze out of it...

Maybe someday they can also implant chips in us that scan bar codes so once you buy any item at all, you can't re-sell it because you should be out there paying 60 dollars and the consumer should be the one getting bent over. Gamestop is just another form of a pawn shop so if you think Gamessop and reselling games should come to an end then I guess you believe pawnshops should have no right to sell anything from a coffee table to a rolex. Buyers should go pay full price from the creator.

Here's a question... if you buy something and don't have the right to do whatever you please with it, do you actual possess ownership of it? I mean, once I trade money for an item, I should be able to do what I want with it. Otherwise, I was just sold a share of the possession and at best, it's shared ownership.

And what about when systems and games become a thing of the past? Antiques as you will. I own an NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Sega Genesis, Segan Saturn, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Playstation, Playsation 2, Xbox, Gameboy, Gameboy pocket, Gameboy color, Nintendo DS and Sega Gamegear. I think that covers everything and I also have 360 and PS3. So, wouldn't this put a damper on these systems ever being collectibles? Are they really going to create codes 20 years from now to pay a fee for if I want to go out and buy older games? There will be no more swapping Bubble Bobble and Battle Toads. The only games you'll own the rights to are the ones you bought when they still made them unless you buy someones hard drive/username from them.

I don't know... this whole idea seems stupid to me. The rich and greedy become greedier to get richer.
 
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TOP said:
You did get paid for your work. The person whose selling it paid for it.

People should have the right to sell used items and get some of their money back.

Should pawn shops not exist either?

What if someone who paid the full price for your game is now hurting for money and wants to get anything they can by selling off possessions? Now, you're preventing people from selling off something they bought the rights to and are preventing them from recuperate anything they can squeeze out of it...

Maybe someday they can also implant chips in us that scan bar codes so once you buy any item at all, you can't re-sell it because you should be out there paying 60 dollars and the consumer should be the one getting bent over. Gamestop is just another form of a pawn shop so if you think Gamessop and reselling games should come to an end then I guess you believe pawnshops should have no right to sell anything from a coffee table to a rolex. Buyers should go pay full price from the creator.

Here's a question... if you buy something and don't have the right to do whatever you please with it, do you actual possess ownership of it? I mean, once I trade money for an item, I should be able to do what I want with it. Otherwise, I was just sold a share of the possession and at best, it's shared ownership.

And what about when systems and games become a thing of the past? Antiques as you will. I own an NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Sega Genesis, Segan Saturn, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Playstation, Playsation 2, Xbox, Gameboy, Gameboy pocket, Gameboy color, Nintendo DS and Sega Gamegear. I think that covers everything and I also have 360 and PS3. So, wouldn't this put a damper on these systems ever being collectibles? Are they really going to create codes 20 years from now to pay a fee for if I want to go out and buy older games? There will be no more swapping Bubble Bobble and Battle Toads. The only games you'll own the rights to are the ones you bought when they still made them unless you buy someones hard drive/username from them.

I don't know... this whole idea seems stupid to me. The rich and greedy become greedier to get richer.
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Can you blame them? Not trying to be a smart ass, but if you can do it then why not.
 
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TOP said:
You did get paid for your work. The person whose selling it paid for it.

People should have the right to sell used items and get some of their money back.

Should pawn shops not exist either?

What if someone who paid the full price for your game is now hurting for money and wants to get anything they can by selling off possessions? Now, you're preventing people from selling off something they bought the rights to and are preventing them from recuperate anything they can squeeze out of it...

Maybe someday they can also implant chips in us that scan bar codes so once you buy any item at all, you can't re-sell it because you should be out there paying 60 dollars and the consumer should be the one getting bent over. Gamestop is just another form of a pawn shop so if you think Gamessop and reselling games should come to an end then I guess you believe pawnshops should have no right to sell anything from a coffee table to a rolex. Buyers should go pay full price from the creator.

Here's a question... if you buy something and don't have the right to do whatever you please with it, do you actual possess ownership of it? I mean, once I trade money for an item, I should be able to do what I want with it. Otherwise, I was just sold a share of the possession and at best, it's shared ownership.

And what about when systems and games become a thing of the past? Antiques as you will. I own an NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Sega Genesis, Segan Saturn, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Playstation, Playsation 2, Xbox, Gameboy, Gameboy pocket, Gameboy color, Nintendo DS and Sega Gamegear. I think that covers everything and I also have 360 and PS3. So, wouldn't this put a damper on these systems ever being collectibles? Are they really going to create codes 20 years from now to pay a fee for if I want to go out and buy older games? There will be no more swapping Bubble Bobble and Battle Toads. The only games you'll own the rights to are the ones you bought when they still made them unless you buy someones hard drive/username from them.

I don't know... this whole idea seems stupid to me. The rich and greedy become greedier to get richer.
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I've never advocated the outright banning of used games. I won't call someone greedy for trying to get a cut off of something they built though. Since the used game market kind of cuts the developers off at the knees by giving every bit of the profits from a sale to a middleman rather than the actual game designers, I just don't have a problem with them charging a nominal fee that would be comparable to what they would have made had the person bought the game new.

It's always going to be a game of cat and mouse. One side will get on top for a while, and the other will be forced to adapt. Used game dealers have had a leg up over developers for a LOOOONG time, now with improvements in technology, developers are now able institute security measures to discourage people from buying secondhand and screwing them.
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
All free on the competitor's consoles, PC, most DVD and Blu-Ray players, some TVs, and mobile devices. The Xbox Live party system is it. I think they could justify the cost early on this generation with how far behind everyone else was but Sony has made significant ground to this point.
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They haven't rolled out a service that offers party chat yet, so they're still lagging pretty far back IMO. If the cost of just Party Chat were $60 a year, I would happily pay it and not bat an eye. That's THE selling point for XBL to me. Beyond that, I own an Xbox because I think it's controller is light years better than PS3's and more of my friends have an Xbox. Those are literally the only factors to me with regards to which console I am going to buy.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
They haven't rolled out a service that offers party chat yet, so they're still lagging pretty far back IMO. If the cost of just Party Chat were $60 a year, I would happily pay it and not bat an eye. That's THE selling point for XBL to me. Beyond that, I own an Xbox because I think it's controller is light years better than PS3's and more of my friends have an Xbox. Those are literally the only factors to me with regards to which console I am going to buy.
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Through PS4, users are able to deepen their connections through co-op play
or “cross-game chat”.
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http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/130221a_e.pdf

The Vita has party chat so I'd assume you'll see it on PS4, especially considering how big it has been for Microsoft with the Xbox 360. Party chat is a great feature, I do kind of miss the old days of Xbox Live where everyone had a mic in the game lobby though.
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/130221a_e.pdf

The Vita has party chat so I'd assume you'll see it on PS4, especially considering how big it has been for Microsoft with the Xbox 360. Party chat is a great feature, I do kind of miss the old days of Xbox Live where everyone had a mic in the game lobby though.
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Yeah, kind of, but I don't miss constantly having to mute idiots who are blasting music, rapping, yelling at their wife/girlfriend, 5 year old kids who scream nonstop, people speaking foreign languages, people with their TV up so loud it constantly echoes, etc.
 
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#249
kwebbvols2344 said:
Can you blame them? Not trying to be a smart ass, but if you can do it then why not.
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Yes and no.

Sure, I understand the concept of getting everything you can.

On the flip side, how much do you really need?

I know if the shoe was on the other foot, there's a point where I have plenty and I could care less about making as much money as possible anymore. Especially not at the expense of crippling an already dying middle class.

There will be no 10 dollar used game for Timmy this year. Sorry Timmy, mommy and daddy can't afford to buy you brand new stuff. Here's a potato with some thumb tacks. Go play with your Mr. Potato Head. I meant that as a joke to be funny but it's sad too.

I came from a from that had everything and it was great having a speedboat, jet skiis, snow mobiles, a 4 wheeler, a dirtbike, a go cart, a nice car, every video game etc. Having said that, I've grown up and realize there is far more to life than money and material stuff. I'm happy living a meager life with people who love and half a roof over my head and food on the table. If I had the money somebody like Microsoft or Sony has, I wouldn't be looking for ways to making more money at the expense of screwing over the customers.

I know a lot of people who sell their games are doing so because they've beaten it and are done with it. But there people who genuinely run into financial problems and being able to sell their video games helps them a lot. There are also families with kids out there who can't afford paying full retail for video games. At least this allows those kids to feel normal by having video games even if they're a year old. Heck, I've bought brand new games on amazon that are older for 15-20 bucks. The reason they lower them that much? Because you can get it used. There will be no incentive for them to lower prices now with the used market to be eliminated.

These companies have every right to milk their loyal customers but at the end of the day, they're plenty rich and all their doing is alienating customers. I believe I saw a study that said they'll lose 30% of their customers by doing this. Then again, Sony will probably hop on board because why not? Though if Sony is smart, they'll stay the course and steal all of their customers 10 years from now when they release a new system. They may lose 30% now but after 10 years and seeing how PS4 operates, they'll jump to PS4. I just bought a PS3 this past Black Friday because it was 199.99 with Infamous, Infamous 2, Uncharted and Uncharted 2. I've always been a 360 guy but if Microsoft is going to do this, I'll probably be switching to Sony. And the irony of it is... I never even buy used games. I still think it's stupid though.
 
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