Neuheisel bashing Butch over Scott hire.

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supersmo18 said:
Some guys are meant more to be talking heads than coaches. Rick Neuheisel is one of them. As for the Scott hire, no one ever got a chance at anything without someone else giving that person an opportunity to show what he/she is capable of. People gave Neuheisel multiple chances to be a head coach and he kept showing he couldn't do it. Time to give Larry Scott a shot at being an OC and make him show that he can't handle it before labeling him a failure.

Plus I really just don't like Neuheisel. Lou Holtz without the lisp, gimmicks and all.
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Coach Scott is going to be an elite coach within the next few years!!! I have the feeling that we will be lucky to hang on to him Beyond 2018. JMO. I just want to know how much his promotion will improve recruiting in South Florida & how much he's going to be able to recruit that area, now. The man is one helluva recruiter! He brought in Tyler byrd at the last minute and look how that's worked out for us. Tyler Byrd was a lock to UM, until Scott came into the picture!
 
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chargervol said:
Agree with this 100%.
There was an article somewhere on this endless site the other day, with a coach agreeing with the hire. And he was not right or wrong either, only inciting debate.

I guess it works though, we all rush right back in and restate the opinions that we've already given on at least four other threads.
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yep. that's the only point. personally, i think Scott will be fine. he's got the experience, he's coached all over the offensive side of the ball, and by all accounts was a key figure in helping develop game plans, both here and at MIA.

it's not a sexy hire, and i get why people get a bit anxious. but there was a lot of buzz about putting Larry Scott on this staff in the first place, and so far, i see no reason for it not to still be.

now, Mike Canales on the other hand, i have no idea how he'll do. i do think we passed on better QB teachers, with better recruiting chops. but again, i get it. if i'm butch, and i'm aware of where we are, and i think i can still do this, i'm hiring people i can plug and play right now. so i get it. not sure i like it, it definitely doesn't make me think anything special is going to happen.

but again, i don't know that to be the case. we'll find out. all the other staff changes he's made, i think have been good ones.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yep. that's the only point. personally, i think Scott will be fine. he's got the experience, he's coached all over the offensive side of the ball, and by all accounts was a key figure in helping develop game plans, both here and at MIA.

it's not a sexy hire, and i get why people get a bit anxious. but there was a lot of buzz about putting Larry Scott on this staff in the first place, and so far, i see no reason for it not to still be.

now, Mike Canales on the other hand, i have no idea how he'll do. i do think we passed on better QB teachers, with better recruiting chops. but again, i get it. if i'm butch, and i'm aware of where we are, and i think i can still do this, i'm hiring people i can plug and play right now. so i get it. not sure i like it, it definitely doesn't make me think anything special is going to happen.

but again, i don't know that to be the case. we'll find out. all the other staff changes he's made, i think have been good ones.
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Would Weinke really have been that much of a better hire? I know he has connections to IMG, but beyond that, what does he have that Canales doesn't? Canales has decades of experience coaching up QB's.
 
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TennMan101 said:
Would Weinke really have been that much of a better hire? I know he has connections to IMG, but beyond that, what does he have that Canales doesn't? Canales has decades of experience coaching up QB's.
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yeah, he does. at like 20 different schools. at some point, i ask the question, why did he keep having to take so many jobs, for seemingly lateral moves?

the only think Canales has over Weinke is age. and that's not to say i think Weinke would have been that great, that fast. but on a longer view, i can see where Weinke has a lot more upside, in more categories, than Canales.

but Butch may not have a long view right now, so i think he made comfortable hires, that he could plug and play. why risk your future on the unknown, when i can go with what i trust? like i said, i have no idea if Canales will turn out or not. i just wonder why he hasn't had more stability in some of the places he's been. Canales has already had a career, Weinke's has really just started. and right now, TN is probably not the place that can afford that right now, given the potential short term nature this staff may have in front of them.

i look at the canales hire kind of like i look at taking a juco kid. you need help, immediately, and you've had the opportunity to see some development, so to fill an immediate need, you go get some Juco kids. they're short term fixes, that hopefully buy you some time until you get more quality depth thru recruiting. in the same regard, i think Canales is a bridge.

either way, we'll find out. l do like the other hires he's made, and i can't say that Canales won't be good. for as many jobs he's had to say good bye to, someone keeps hiring him.....so take that however you want.
 
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It doesn't matter who says it, it's true: Promoting somebody to a position for which they have no experience is a risk, most definitely. Why were we an also-ran for a decade? It started with Fulmer promiting R. Sanders to offensive coordinator, a position for which Sanders had no experience. That was the spark that lit the flame that burned down Fulmer's program.

This is not to suggest that Scott won't succeed. Nobody knows. He might do very well, he could flop. But this much can be said: He will be challenged right off the bat next year, as we'll have an inexperienced QB and will probably take a step back at RB. Kelly is pretty good, but he's no Kamara. So Scott and Canales will have an immediate opportunity to show their chops.
 
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Scott is our coach. His press conference was great. He's excited to be here and seems to have a strong idea about what he wants from the offense. I'm behind him 100%.

Neuheisel can suck it.
 
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armchair said:
It doesn't matter who says it, it's true: Promoting somebody to a position for which they have no experience is a risk, most definitely. Why were we an also-ran for a decade? It started with Fulmer promiting R. Sanders to offensive coordinator, a position for which Sanders had no experience. That was the spark that lit the flame that burned down Fulmer's program.

This is not to suggest that Scott won't succeed. Nobody knows. He might do very well, he could flop. But this much can be said: He will be challenged right off the bat next year, as we'll have an inexperienced QB and will probably take a step back at RB. Kelly is pretty good, but he's no Kamara. So Scott and Canales will have an immediate opportunity to show their chops.
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agree on your last point, development of the QB will be the first thing on everyone's hit list. but it is a 1st year qb, so while i think we have talent, i'm hesitant to say what i really expect. O line should be pretty good. it really should be. if the O line is the same as it's been the last two years, then......well, there's not much else to say there. i agree about Kelly. love the way he runs, but is he an every down back? he needs a compliment, and right now it may be that we rely on a true freshman there. WR should be pretty good again, i still say Byrd should stay there. Jennings has an opportunity to shine, and there's some talent with josh smith and callaway. TE shouldn't be an issue. RB and QB. let's see what we got.

so while there's some talent coming back, and experience, the reality is we're still gonna be pretty thin all over the field.

as to promoting from within...it does work, probably more than it fails. Majors promoted Fulmer from OL to OC....Fulmer promoted Cut and Chavis to their respective coordinator positions. so i don't think the idea of a promotion form with in should be THE smoking gun here.
 
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ITS BUTCH'S OFFENSE. He is and likely always will be our OC. It doesn't matter. Scott is a great hire because he has a lot of respect within the industry and he will recruit at a high level. It is that simple
 
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scvolfan7 said:
ITS BUTCH'S OFFENSE. He is and likely always will be our OC. It doesn't matter. Scott is a great hire because he has a lot of respect within the industry and he will recruit at a high level. It is that simple
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i dont' think anyone really disputes that, not even Scott, as he basically said something similar in his presser. it's pretty much a known at this point that the offense is butch's, and that game planning, play calling, personnel decisions are done collaboratively with final say going to Butch. that's not new.
 
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Until the Vols win the East, CBJ will be criticized for almost everything, even good hires and actions will be put thru the ringer due to guilt by association.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Until the Vols win the East, CBJ will be criticized for almost everything, even good hires and actions will be put thru the ringer due to guilt by association.
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Do you really believe that? Every year the crazies on this website move the bar in the middle of the season. Going into this year we had a lot of "Butch blew 3 easy opportunities to beat UF. If he couldn't get it done then he will never beat them." Now it's he will never win the East. If he wins it next year it will become he can't beat Saban. Everyone hating on Butch needs to remember these are the streaks he has broken here

11 game UF win streak
5 game UGA win streak
3 game SCAR win streak
3 game Mizzou win streak

Hadn't won in Athens since 2006
Hadn't won in Columbia since 2006
Hadn't beaten UGA or SCAR back to back since 06-07

Last 3 bowl game streak 02-04
Last 3 bowl game win streak 94-96
 
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08Vol said:
Do you really believe that? Every year the crazies on this website move the bar in the middle of the season. Going into this year we had a lot of "Butch blew 3 easy opportunities to beat UF. If he couldn't get it done then he will never beat them." Now it's he will never win the East. If he wins it next year it will become he can't beat Saban. Everyone hating on Butch needs to remember these are the streaks he has broken here

11 game UF win streak
5 game UGA win streak
3 game SCAR win streak
3 game Mizzou win streak

Hadn't won in Athens since 2006
Hadn't won in Columbia since 2006
Hadn't beaten UGA or SCAR back to back since 06-07

Last 3 bowl game streak 02-04
Last 3 bowl game win streak 94-96
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Don't get me wrong, with any loss there is room for criticism, even with some wins there is legit concerns to be addressed, but until we win the East it will be easy pickings. Once we have won the East those that want to complain will find an axe to grind but it will take more nit picking. As of now with the losses we have experienced and how some occurred there is fair criticism for CBJ and no need to dig too deep to identify.

As for me until he delivers on at least making the NC playoffs he has not lived up to his own expectations for the Vols.

I think he still has some left in the tank and if he can get past 2017 he may have us ready to compete at the national level for a while.

The biggest error that stands out to me is trying to red shirt Dobbs. I understand it was a commitment to JD and his family to try to red shirt, but it did put us a year behind and not we are breaking in a new QB in year 5 anyway.

I'm tired of "behind the chains", all other coach speak is fine by me.

We script plays for 1st and 2nd down and then have options for 3rd down depending on down and distance along with the game situation. What I noticed was that our 2nd down play didn't seem to get adjusted based off the success or failure of our 1st down play, same play whether it was 2nd and 2 or 2nd and 15.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Don't get me wrong, with any loss there is room for criticism, even with some wins there is legit concerns to be addressed, but until we win the East it will be easy pickings. Once we have won the East those that want to complain will find an axe to grind but it will take more nit picking. As of now with the losses we have experienced and how some occurred there is fair criticism for CBJ and no need to dig too deep to identify.

As for me until he delivers on at least making the NC playoffs he has not lived up to his own expectations for the Vols.

I think he still has some left in the tank and if he can get past 2017 he may have us ready to compete at the national level for a while.

The biggest error that stands out to me is trying to red shirt Dobbs. I understand it was a commitment to JD and his family to try to red shirt, but it did put us a year behind and not we are breaking in a new QB in year 5 anyway.

I'm tired of "behind the chains", all other coach speak is fine by me.

We script plays for 1st and 2nd down and then have options for 3rd down depending on down and distance along with the game situation. What I noticed was that our 2nd down play didn't seem to get adjusted based off the success or failure of our 1st down play, same play whether it was 2nd and 2 or 2nd and 15.
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Not winning the east is an easy target, but it won't result in the recruiting riches that many here hope for. UF has won the past 2 years and have had mediocre recruiting.

UT needs the stability of Butch. Who are the top 3 SEC head coaches? When Saban retires one of those top coaches will take his spot as top dog in the SEC and pull in the top talent that wants to play in this conference. Butch is positioning us to be that program.

I've heard talk about promises made to Dobbs and his family about him red shirting and with how serious they are about his education I believe it. Dobbs was also really rough around the edges as a freshman, rewatch the 2013 Vandy game where they had 3 of their starters in the secondary out and still picked him multiple times.

We are in a good position at QB for next year. Who ever takes the first snap will have gone through at least 2 fall practices.
 
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I don't give a lot of credibility to media journalists and announcers. They are in it for a buck. Worse than politicians. Whether they blow smoke up our butts or condemn us. I trust the folks who put on the pads and whose ca-rears are on the line. I'm sure there are financial and regulatory (NCAA) constraints on the magic CBJ can do. I support his elevating Coach Scott, hiring Coach Canales, Coach Warren, and S&C Coach Rock. GBO!
 
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08Vol said:
Not winning the east is an easy target, but it won't result in the recruiting riches that many here hope for. UF has won the past 2 years and have had mediocre recruiting.

UT needs the stability of Butch. Who are the top 3 SEC head coaches? When Saban retires one of those top coaches will take his spot as top dog in the SEC and pull in the top talent that wants to play in this conference. Butch is positioning us to be that program.

I've heard talk about promises made to Dobbs and his family about him red shirting and with how serious they are about his education I believe it. Dobbs was also really rough around the edges as a freshman, rewatch the 2013 Vandy game where they had 3 of their starters in the secondary out and still picked him multiple times.

We are in a good position at QB for next year. Who ever takes the first snap will have gone through at least 2 fall practices.
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We got a QB from Tx that's an EE. You never know.

Release the Beast!
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Was just listening to SXM College sports channel 84.
The host, former Coach Rick Neuheisel said that Scott hire is very dangerous because he hasn't been an OC before.
Said we should have hired Lincoln Riley.
Said despite Butch being on hot seat that UT is big enuf name and has enuf money to get a bigger name and more experienced person at OC than Scott.
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Riley is only leaving OU for a head coaching job. UT would be a lateral move for him AT BEST. He would also be working for a coach that isn't as good as his current boss.
 
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87&91ALUM said:
I don't give a lot of credibility to media journalists and announcers. They are in it for a buck. Worse than politicians. Whether they blow smoke up our butts or condemn us. I trust the folks who put on the pads and whose ca-rears are on the line. I'm sure there are financial and regulatory (NCAA) constraints on the magic CBJ can do. I support his elevating Coach Scott, hiring Coach Canales, Coach Warren, and S&C Coach Rock. GBO!
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If that is as far as the changes go this off season, it might be enough. However, if more happens after NSD, I won't be shocked.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Assistant coach's don't sign long term contracts so that is irrelevant. Butch isn't hiring anyone on offense that he would view as a threat or someone who wants total control of the offense which Butch would never let happen. Exactly why he will hire bigger name and more experienced defensive coach's. Nobody with any sense buts the who nobody wants to come here because of the lack of an AD. He had better options at OC and definitely at QB Coach but opted to stick with familiarity. But take LSU who has spent 3.3 million of a big name OC and DC. Just like Saban,Meyer,Stoops and others who hire great coach's around them. Then we have Butch who has yet to hire a big time OC and QB Coach.
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Besides your inability to complete a coherent sentence, you're wrong about Butch not hiring someone big time. He hired a big time DC didn't he?
 
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I think all this was done to cover up that we still haven't fired Mahoney.

How in the hell is that dude still here?
 
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