Net Neutality

#78
#78
#VFL__ said:
Does anyone have a problem with the internet at this time?

This one is along party lines. It’s interesting to see the amount of money our reps have taken from the companies pushing this.

The process surrounding this move tells me a lot and if things do change, you’re going to have to accept the fact that the GOP alone made this happen.
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Your first sentence is the perfect reason for eliminating NN.

No one knows the full impact the internet will have on our economy in the future but like today it can be assumed it’s going to be huge and people will need to pay for its infrastructure and up keep. Don’t think The internet’s infrastructure now or maintaining it was free or won’t be expensive inthe future. If you like what you have now and want the same standard for internet service and reliability you need to expect to pay for it.

I work on this nations roads and bridges and let me tell you something, a lot of our roads and bridges are in desperate need of repair. However cities, counties, states and the federal highway admin doesn’t have enough money to pay for it all. So what happens, you get a lot of bad aid repairs on things that need complete rebuilds and new roads which can’t hold and aren’t designed for todays volumes.

By not taxing or paying for the internet properly now means someone, probably us or a future generation will have to pay for it later.

Gas taxes, while are enough to combat the failing infrastructure, are a great example and while we all pay taxes based on our income and how much we spend, people who drive more and drive a lot pay more gas tax. Same thing should happen with the internet.

The internet isn’t a free cloud out in space that cost nothing to build.
 
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mdrew27 said:
Your first sentence is the perfect reason for eliminating NN.

No one knows the full impact the internet will have on our economy in the future but like today it can be assumed it’s going to be huge and people will need to pay for its infrastructure and up keep. Don’t think The internet’s infrastructure now or maintaining it was free or won’t be expensive inthe future. If you like what you have now and want the same standard for internet service and reliability you need to expect to pay for it.

I work on this nations roads and bridges and let me tell you something, a lot of our roads and bridges are in desperate need of repair. However cities, counties, states and the federal highway admin doesn’t have enough money to pay for it all. So what happens, you get a lot of bad aid repairs on things that need complete rebuilds and new roads which can’t hold and aren’t designed for todays volumes.

By not taxing or paying for the internet properly now means someone, probably us or a future generation will have to pay for it later.

Gas taxes, while are enough to combat the failing infrastructure, are a great example and while we all pay taxes based on our income and how much we spend, people who drive more and drive a lot pay more gas tax. Same thing should happen with the internet.

The internet isn’t a free cloud out in space that cost nothing to build.
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Say what? The infrastructure for the internet is not in disrepair like a decrepit inner city Detroit overpass.

The companies that maintain the infrastructure are currently reaping massive profits (not that there's anything wrong with that).

If your understanding is that this is necessary or the system will not 'work properly' in the future, you may want to brush up on what's actually being debated.
 
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#80
#80
Mostly everything you need to know about this screwjob.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vuuZt7wak[/youtube]
 
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#81
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJDW_s93rc[/youtube]

This guy nails it.
 
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Septic said:
Say what? The infrastructure for the internet is not in disrepair like a decrepit inner city Detroit overpass.

The companies that maintain the infrastructure are currently reaping massive profits (not that there's anything wrong with that).

If your understanding is that this is necessary or the system will not 'work properly' in the future, you may want to brush up on what's actually being debated.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about do you?
 
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#83
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
What's the point of government interference because the ISPs MIGHT do something harmful to consumers? There are already laws against monopolistic practices AND if the ISPs take advantage of the lack of NN then legislation can be introduced later.

Net Neutrality guarantees a larger government agency, the cost of which won't be itemized on a monthly bill.
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There are only two sides to this, the consumer side and the corporation side. It weakens consumer protections while giving corporations more power. So how does this help or hurt you as a consumer? No one gives a crap about your 401k.

Why introduce legislation later when the FCC just wiped their ass with the legislation we had to protect consumers. And another thing most of this fiber infrastructure was tax payer funded to begin with. The ISP just maintain connectivity but now they can manipulated content.
 
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#84
Man do yall remember how bad the internet was before 2015 and before Obama saved it for everybody! Those were dark, dark times.....







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n_huffhines said:
What does that have to do with anything?
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The internet is evolving and this is the nudge in favor of corporations over consumer. I live on the backbone. Done everything from end user to server side. Speed, data volume, and connectivity are going to cost me more. Don't forget about data caps for your home or business. You seriously think those ISP (the one that wants to get your money and spent billions to get this rolled back) are going to do anything but take more of your money?
 
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Mick said:
There are only two sides to this, the consumer side and the corporation side. It weakens consumer protections while giving corporations more power. So how does this help or hurt you as a consumer? No one gives a crap about your 401k.

Why introduce legislation later when the FCC just wiped their ass with the legislation we had to protect consumers. And another thing most of this fiber infrastructure was tax payer funded to begin with. The ISP just maintain connectivity but now they can manipulated content.
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Do you really believe that the ISPs will throttle specific websites based on what content they've decided to censor? Even if they claim certain sites are restricted because of competitive reasons there would be bigger than Schiano consumer backlash and reciprocal throttling by their competitors as retaliation.

There is no reason to not charge data hogs a higher price because they are using more bandwidth. Grandma, that only uses her internet connection for 15 minutes a day to check her e-mail, shouldn't pay the same price as the house next door that has 3 kids gaming, momma watching her stories all day on Netflix, while Dad is in his workshop watching porn.

NN is nothing more than the Dems giving something for free to their base and turning them against the big, bad corporations that want their money (while ignoring that bigger corporations are against NN). If the ISPs are abusive like the "progressives" warn that they COULD be, then they will be dealt with legislatively and they therefore have an incentive to not go down that road. NN is in the same sphere as free Obama phones... except that the cost of the heavy internet users is being subsidized by the low users instead of the taxpayers.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Do you really believe that the ISPs will throttle specific websites based on what content they've decided to censor? Even if they claim certain sites are restricted because of competitive reasons there would be bigger than Schiano consumer backlash and reciprocal throttling by their competitors as retaliation.

There is no reason to not charge data hogs a higher price because they are using more bandwidth. Grandma, that only uses her internet connection for 15 minutes a day to check her e-mail, shouldn't pay the same price as the house next door that has 3 kids gaming, momma watching her stories all day on Netflix, while Dad is in his workshop watching porn.

NN is nothing more than the Dems giving something for free to their base and turning them against the big, bad corporations that want their money (while ignoring that bigger corporations are against NN). If the ISPs are abusive like the "progressives" warn that they COULD be, then they will be dealt with legislatively and they therefore have an incentive to not go down that road. NN is in the same sphere as free Obama phones... except that the cost of the heavy internet users is being subsidized by the low users instead of the taxpayers.
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There is no value added for the consumer on this. None absolutely none. It favors business over consumer. You are wanting to get trickled on.
 
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#95
#95
We should make these last few days on Volnation memorable. It’s been real guys. Good luck with all of your future internet adventures. God knows we’ll need it.


Godspeed.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Remember all that government interference that prevented the last mile to quickly go from dial up to DSL and cable and then on to fiber? Didn't think so.
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BS the government paid for the last mile. Started with Bill Clinton deregulating the phone and cable companies so they could offer services other than maintaining the local monopolies of phone and cable. Local, State, Federal money went into the last mile otherwise we would still have different networks. I worked under government contracts to help create the backbone for which the cable and phone connect.
 
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Mick said:
The internet is evolving and this is the nudge in favor of corporations over consumer.
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No it's not. It's more like a nudge in favor of some corporations over other corporations.

I live on the backbone. Done everything from end user to server side. Speed, data volume, and connectivity are going to cost me more.
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Why didn't they "cost more" before?

Don't forget about data caps for your home or business. You seriously think those ISP (the one that wants to get your money and spent billions to get this rolled back) are going to do anything but take more of your money?
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Again, why weren't they capping me before?
 
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Mick said:
There is no value added for the consumer on this. None absolutely none. It favors business over consumer. You are wanting to get trickled on.
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No doubt posted from your O'Bama phone.

Consumers also pay the taxes to support the bigger government that controls these things. Consumers enjoy the technological advancements that these big, bad corporations have created for them.

Dems winning votes by promoting the possibility of monthly Netflix subscriptions jumping to $15. Dems lining up gaming nerds worried that they'll actually have to pay for hogging bandwidth. Their sheep followers are too numb in the gray matter to understand that a bigger, socialist government is expensive.
 
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Mick said:
BS the government paid for the last mile. Started with Bill Clinton deregulating the phone and cable companies so they could offer services other than maintaining the local monopolies of phone and cable. Local, State, Federal money went into the last mile otherwise we would still have different networks. I worked under government contracts to help create the backbone for which the cable and phone connect.
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Therefore less government is good.

Government contracts happen only because the government took the funds from consumers and businesses. And the bureaucrats don't go away after they've been fulfilled.
 
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