NCAA settles NIL driven lawsuit with UT

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The NCAA is the schools doofus.
Well, then the schools are stupid? Is that what you mean? The schools allowed this mess? That's what many here keep saying, so I'll agree...... the schools let this happen.

It's true, the admins control the NCAA and they AREN'T as upset about this mess as the fans.

In reality, the high revenue schools want exactly what we're getting.
 
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The NCAA had ZERO choice. They couldn't bust the cherry just a little on NIL. It doesn't work like that and they knew it. They knew once it was open, it was going to be fully open.

The same with transfers. Once it was open, they knew they'd be sued out of existence trying to regulate it.

I PROMISE the next organization won't make you any happier. At least the NCAA kinda exists as amateur ball. The next organization won't be an amateur setup (at least at UT's level) so the NCAA SUCKS....... but they are the only thread we've got to prevent pro status.
Well said, but pro status is already here. Just a matter of accepting it for what it is and fully adopting the NFL model.
 
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Bogus. The Illegal NCAA rules were the problem.
Along with revenue sharing and the good old boy network. Since the 1990s it turned into a Boy's Club of which they could not manage.

They were more concerned about money, keeping status quo, and dishing out punishments for those not in the Club vs looking the other way for those in the Club.

The NCAA was OBE.
 
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It's incorrect how everyone blames the NCAA for the current mess.

As soon as NIL became a reality via the courts, who set up the collectives to essentially pay the players to play? The NCAA? No...... the schools.

Who sued the NCAA to open up transfers? The schools.

UT is the problem for fans, not the NCAA.
Wrong. The NCAA got sued because it never conceded and insisted on running a cartel. They’ve had decades to implement measures that would have been fair to all parties. Their insistence on being unyielding brought this to the courts, where they could not win.
 
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Yes, but when the NCAA is gone the courts will likely not allow another "amateur" setup. The Supreme Court said clearly the business model is in violation of Antitrust Laws.

Killing the NCAA will mean replacing it with a pro organization. You'd like that better?

And still, UT has taken EVERY opportunity to destroy NIL rules and transfer rules, which all of us hate to see happen. UT is not on the side of the fans in this.
False generalization. I don't hate it. I support what UT has done.
 

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The NCAA was/is basically and administrative agency with some governing authority and revenue sharing. They are not staffed nor trained to do what is necessary to govern the members of the NCAA.
What's more, they do not follow their own Mission Statement and purpose of their existence.

Initially, their decisions regarding NIL and Transfer Portals were met with resistance and not only did the NCAA lose control because they had none. No conspiracies but intended to keep control of the situation.

As a result, courts decided and the NCAA lost any control they once had.

The Major conferences are really the ones in control and will eventually take over the governing of college sports for their own. The wild wild west will end when the Conferences form a separate organization, Emmert retired for this reason.

The NCAA needs a new mission statement.
 
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Wrong. The NCAA got sued because it never conceded and insisted on running a cartel. They’ve had decades to implement measures that would have been fair to all parties. Their insistence on being unyielding brought this to the courts, where they could not win. concuss
There was, as we've seen, NO WIGGLE ROOM.

The Supreme Court said the entire business model would likely be declared illegal in a 9-0 opinion in the Alston case.

There was no "let's appease them" for the NCAA and we've seen exactly why. As soon as NIL became available, they were sued on Antitrust grounds so they couldn't control it.

As soon as they opened the "no penalty transfer" door, the portal doors were ripped off on Antitrust grounds and now transfers are uncontrollable.

You're suggesting they had an illegal business but could keep it going after the Supreme Court TELLS everyone you're in violation of Antitrust Laws. That's BS.

The Supreme Court told everyone in Alston: this business model is illegal. Sue these guys and you'll win every time.

You can't "concede a little" when your entire business model is in violation of the law. You get sued IMMEDIATELY when you do.
 
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Well said, but pro status is already here. Just a matter of accepting it for what it is and fully adopting the NFL model.
I've come to that conclusion. I'm old. I'd hoped the NCAA would, as they have, stopped all enforcement. I've come to hope that the high revenue school athletic depts would separate from the schools and go pro.

I'm hoping college athletics can survive at smaller schools where athletics isn't a billion dollar business but it won't be with the NCAA. It's done.

Schools like UT are going to take the rest of college athletics down with them if the admins don't disappoint a lot of UT fans and state the obvious: we're a pro team.
 
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I've come to that conclusion. I'm old. I'd hoped the NCAA would, as they have, stopped all enforcement. I've come to hope that the high revenue school athletic depts would separate from the schools and go pro.

I'm hoping college athletics can survive at smaller schools where athletics isn't a billion dollar business but it won't be with the NCAA. It's done.

Schools like UT are going to take the rest of college athletics down with them if the admins don't disappoint a lot of UT fans and state the obvious: we're a pro team.
Are you conflating "college" with "amateur".
Revenue sharing will make college athletics professional, by definition.
 
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There was, as we've seen, NO WIGGLE ROOM.

The Supreme Court said the entire business model would likely be declared illegal in a 9-0 opinion in the Alston case.

There was no "let's appease them" for the NCAA and we've seen exactly why. As soon as NIL became available, they were sued on Antitrust grounds so they couldn't control it.

As soon as they opened the "no penalty transfer" door, the portal doors were ripped off on Antitrust grounds and now transfers are uncontrollable.

You're suggesting they had an illegal business but could keep it going after the Supreme Court TELLS everyone you're in violation of Antitrust Laws. That's BS.

The Supreme Court told everyone in Alston: this business model is illegal. Sue these guys and you'll win every time.

You can't "concede a little" when your entire business model is in violation of the law. You get sued IMMEDIATELY when you do.
Nope. That’s not what I said. And I’m not going to draw you a map.

I frequently tell my clients, “the object isn’t to win the lawsuit. The object is to avoid the lawsuit.” That could have been done here. I know what the Supreme Court said. That could have been avoided.
 
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Nope. That’s not what I said. And I’m not going to draw you a map.

I frequently tell my clients, “the object isn’t to win the lawsuit. The object is to avoid the lawsuit.” That could have been done here. I know what the Supreme Court said. That could have been avoided.
I'm not an attorney and you sound like you are. My point is: the NCAA was always one loss like Alston from having it all collapse. The SCOTUS was clear: this business model isn't legal.

I'll yield to your training that perhaps Alston and the boatload of similar suits that went away after Alston was decided could have somehow been avoided but, it's my opinion..... admittedly unlearned, that someone eventually would've pushed the NCAA to the Alston situation.

The business model is in violation. No matter how many bones you throw, that dog stays hungry.
 
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There was, as we've seen, NO WIGGLE ROOM.

The Supreme Court said the entire business model would likely be declared illegal in a 9-0 opinion in the Alston case.

There was no "let's appease them" for the NCAA and we've seen exactly why. As soon as NIL became available, they were sued on Antitrust grounds so they couldn't control it.

As soon as they opened the "no penalty transfer" door, the portal doors were ripped off on Antitrust grounds and now transfers are uncontrollable.

You're suggesting they had an illegal business but could keep it going after the Supreme Court TELLS everyone you're in violation of Antitrust Laws. That's BS.

The Supreme Court told everyone in Alston: this business model is illegal. Sue these guys and you'll win every time.

You can't "concede a little" when your entire business model is in violation of the law. You get sued IMMEDIATELY when you do.
I agree with you. I don’t believe “compromise” was ever possible. The NCAA was cooked from the start. Just a matter of time till they were rendered impotent.
 
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I agree with you. I don’t believe “compromise” was ever possible. The NCAA was cooked from the start. Just a matter of time till they were rendered impotent.
I'm not one to argue with attorneys and I was in a similar situation (I was in the group suing) and the attorney said: They will make offers. They don't want this to go to court because they'll lose more in court than we will take. It's not worth it to us to fight them forever to get more.

He was right. They offered and my side took it eventually, but that was a civil matter, not an Antitrust action.

In this, I think the NCAA eventually would get pushed over the cliff. This case was fought for decades. I cannot imagine the NCAA didn't have attorneys insisting they change the business, settle, etc to avoid this point. If their attorneys didn't and it IS possible, they should go after them for malpractice.
 
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MI was essentially old school, on the field cheating. The NCAA CAN punish that sort of foolishness.
Given that they claimed NIL was cheating, that unlimited transfers were cheating, and that punishing non NCAA junior college counted as a year of NCAA eligibility loss, they're probably not going to be able to enforce that one, either. The 9-0 SCOTUS decision in the Alston case made it pretty clear that the entire NCAA model is illegal.
 
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