NBA Playoffs Thread

[Caleb59seal]

They never saw anything like Curry. Perimeter defenders are better today and they can't stop him.

No idea why you are crying so much about fouls. You know who shot a lot of FT's? MJ. Curry scored 33 and he shot 2 FT's. He doesn't rely on getting to the line.

He probably the best shooter to ever play. How the game is called is the reason why players like curry can be so effective because no one can touch him. Just ask Kevin Love the man never touched Curry and was called for a foul. Literally. Never. Touched him.

 

[Caleb59seal]

I don’t claim to know a lot about basketball because my interest was lost because of how crazy the foul calls are a couple of years ago. However, on a serious note does it not bother you how fouls are called? Or are you fine with it, and if so why?

 

[n_huffhines]

Lebron is the softest 250lb man I have seen play a sport. Now, I use to not be a Lebron fan but he has grown up and now for the most part just plays the game but still he doesn’t play with contact as in initiating or playing physical. However, that’s probably because of the rules. MJ had that killer in him. Lebron does not. MJ with a body like Lebron would of been amazing to see.

It's like you don't even watch th nba

[Youtube]http://youtu.be/t4Wzos4ttc4[/youtube]

 

[VolFreakJosh]

I don’t claim to know a lot about basketball because my interest was lost because of how crazy the foul calls are a couple of years ago. However, on a serious note does it not bother you how fouls are called? Or are you fine with it, and if so why?

Or ya know, LeBron getting hacked by two Golden St. defenders and no foul is called.

Warriors are a good team but obviously they’re going to get 80% of those calls just because they’re the juggernaut of the NBA.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don’t claim to know a lot about basketball because my interest was lost because of how crazy the foul calls are a couple of years ago. However, on a serious note does it not bother you how fouls are called? Or are you fine with it, and if so why?

They bothered me in the 90's too. Just use the DVR to skip FTA's

 

[n_huffhines]

He probably the best shooter to ever play. How the game is called is the reason why players like curry can be so effective because no one can touch him. Just ask Kevin Love the man never touched Curry and was called for a foul. Literally. Never. Touched him.

It's like you think bad calls didn't exist in the 90's.

James Harden gets more calls than anybody and he doesn't have a top 20 FTA season all time. MJ does, Barkley does, and Malone has 2.

 

[Caleb59seal]

It's like you don't even watch th nba

[Youtube]http://youtu.be/t4Wzos4ttc4[/youtube]

I understand he drives to the whole a lot and gets “fouled” a lot. However, that doesn’t mean he plays physical. Most of the “fouls” he takes are greatly exaggerated and most of the fouls are slaps on the wrist/forearm or a bump going in the air to make a layup or fade away jumper.
I obviously do not watch a lot of NBA basketball for the reasons mentioned above. However, I did watch the game tonight and thought the Cavs played great defense for the most part. However, you just because you played great defense doesn’t mean you played physical.

My definition of physical is taking three or four slaps on the wrist or full body pushes and finishing with a body draped around you probably wouldn’t call any of that a foul and let them play... and in comes the MJ era.

 

[Caleb59seal]

Or ya know, LeBron getting hacked by two Golden St. defenders and no foul is called.

Warriors are a good team but obviously they’re going to get 80% of those calls just because they’re the juggernaut of the NBA.

I mentioned that on a previous post too. I am not a MJ guy or Lebron guy or GS/ Curry guy. I just enjoy competition. So I am asking these questions with zero bias and am generally wondering because I don’t know but there are trends I pick up on.

That’s kind of my view point.

 

[volsarelife1]

I understand he drives to the whole a lot and gets “fouled” a lot. However, that doesn’t mean he plays physical. Most of the “fouls” he takes are greatly exaggerated and most of the fouls are slaps on the wrist/forearm or a bump going in the air to make a layup or fade away jumper.
I obviously do not watch a lot of NBA basketball for the reasons mentioned above. However, I did watch the game tonight and thought the Cavs played great defense for the most part. However, you just because you played great defense doesn’t mean you played physical.

My definition of physical is taking three or four slaps on the wrist or full body pushes and finishing with a body draped around you probably wouldn’t call any of that a foul and let them play... and in comes the MJ era.

And that last part isn't considered basketball in my opinion. Also, you're completely mis remembering stuff about Jordan. You couldn't breathe on the man without getting called for a foul, I wouldn't call that being physical.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You really think the Bulls could shut down prime Curry, KD, & Thompson?

Ok, well one of those guys is going to score.

Double team Curry? He’ll pass it out back to KD.

Double team KD? He’ll pass it out back to Klay Thompson.

Way too many offensive weapons for any team to handle.

Sure, it was physical back then but this new era, players are a lot more bigger & athletic.

LeBron is putting up 50+ 30+ in two games of the finals, both losses.

Please tell me how MJ would pull it off with LeBron’s supporting cast?

Think about who we are talking about. The Bulls had elite defenders. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Harper were elite defenders who could guard just about anyone. The only player that would truly give serious problems would be KD because of his length. Also, nobody on GS could guard MJ effectively.

Thats why I bring up eras. If the game was played in the 90's, where the Bulls could be ultra physical, GS would have zero chance. In todays rules, it would be different. But, Jordan did have the ability to make everyone around him better. Even in todays rules, I am not 100% convinced that GS would win.

Think about game 1 this year. The Cavs were a few bad calls and plays away from beating GS. I think you would say MJ had a better supporting cast than LBJ does. Yes? Ok well if thats the case, then it wouldnt be out of the realm of possibility that the Bulls would have won game 1.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

And that last part isn't considered basketball in my opinion. Also, you're completely mis remembering stuff about Jordan. You couldn't breathe on the man without getting called for a foul, I wouldn't call that being physical.

Lol. I watched tons of games where MJ drove the lane, got hammered and did not get the call. Get out with that BS. I will admit thay LBJ is not getting some calls he should. But you are flat out lying about MJ.

 

[Caleb59seal]

And that last part isn't considered basketball in my opinion. Also, you're completely mis remembering stuff about Jordan. You couldn't breathe on the man without getting called for a foul, I wouldn't call that being physical.

Maybe I am. And so that is where we differ. I am a
Football guy but I do wanna know more about the game of basketball on a operations level. Obviously I have been watching basketball for a long tie but I wanna know more about the coaching points and the purpose of things. There is a lot of carry over between the two sports from a WR, DB way and I coach DB’s so the more I understand the better off
I am. If that makes sense.

 

[n_huffhines]

Think about who we are talking about. The Bulls had elite defenders. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Harper were elite defenders who could guard just about anyone. The only player that would truly give serious problems would be KD because of his length. Also, nobody on GS could guard MJ effectively.

What does that mean? He'll get his, but there is finals MVP Jordan who hit everything and there is finals MVP Jordan who won battles of attrition with average shooting %. None of those teams had the perimeter talent that the Warriors have on D.

 

[n_huffhines]

Lol. I watched tons of games where MJ drove the lane, got hammered and did not get the call. Get out with that BS. I will admit thay LBJ is not getting some calls he should. But you are flat out lying about MJ.

Do you know what the Jordan rules were? Pistons knew MJ was getting to the line no matter what so the rules were foul him hard and since they can only call 1 foul per whistle, foul him hard twice if you can.

So yeah it was physical but it's not true that there weren't cheap fouls in the NBA those days.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Do you know what the Jordan rules were? Pistons knew MJ was getting to the line no matter what so the rules were foul him hard and since they can only call 1 foul per whistle, foul him hard twice if you can.

So yeah it was physical but it's not true that there weren't cheap fouls in the NBA those days.

If you’re a star in the NBA, you’re automatically rewarded with free foul calls whether there’s a lot of contact or no contact at all.

Look at all the BS calls Harden gets everytime he drives to the lane, same difference.

It’s not just LBJ.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Do you know what the Jordan rules were? Pistons knew MJ was getting to the line no matter what so the rules were foul him hard and since they can only call 1 foul per whistle, foul him hard twice if you can.

So yeah it was physical but it's not true that there weren't cheap fouls in the NBA those days.

Like I said, I saw tons of games where MJ got mauled and not got the calls. There were absolutely cheap fouls in those days. But it is what it is. The fact is the NBA was much harder to score in back then.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

What does that mean? He'll get his, but there is finals MVP Jordan who hit everything and there is finals MVP Jordan who won battles of attrition with average shooting %. None of those teams had the perimeter talent that the Warriors have on D.

Bulls D>Warriors D. Again, it comes down to eras. You like to ignore that, but it matters. A lot.

 

[volnbama_]

I understand he drives to the whole a lot and gets “fouled” a lot. However, that doesn’t mean he plays physical. Most of the “fouls” he takes are greatly exaggerated and most of the fouls are slaps on the wrist/forearm or a bump going in the air to make a layup or fade away jumper.
I obviously do not watch a lot of NBA basketball for the reasons mentioned above. However, I did watch the game tonight and thought the Cavs played great defense for the most part. However, you just because you played great defense doesn’t mean you played physical.

My definition of physical is taking three or four slaps on the wrist or full body pushes and finishing with a body draped around you probably wouldn’t call any of that a foul and let them play... and in comes the MJ era.

Nostalgia is getting the best of you. That last paragraph sounds more football than basketball. Lebron plays as physical as anyone and constantly bullies his way to the rim. You either don’t watch much or don’t know what you’re watching

 

[BadJerry20]

They never saw anything like Curry. Perimeter defenders are better today and they can't stop him.

No idea why you are crying so much about fouls. You know who shot a lot of FT's? MJ. Curry scored 33 and he shot 2 FT's. He doesn't rely on getting to the line.

Perimeter defenders as a whole are better today, perimeter defenders today are not better than MJ and Pip were. Not saying the Bulls would or wouldn't beat The Warriors, but they did have 3 of the top defenders at their positions ever, and Ron Harper became a really solid defender for them. Would be interesting to see. Bulls could go small yet still really long with Harper, MJ, Pip, Kukoc and Rodman.

 

[salutethehill]

Defense is better today, and I don’t even think it’s close. Sure, the game used to be more physical, but defenses were worse, not better.

Also, long range shooting today is astronomically better.

 

[n_huffhines]

Bulls D>Warriors D. Again, it comes down to eras. You like to ignore that, but it matters. A lot.

Jordan wasn't playing against the Bulls, so this isn't relevant to my point. The Warriors have better D than anybody Jordan played, except maybe the Pistons (who didn't have that great of perimeter D).

Warriors O > Bulls O

 

[n_huffhines]

Here are the star perimeter players whose primes (mostly) occurred during the rule changes. The "no duh" takeaway is that banning hand checks helped offense, but the real takeaway is that I don't think it helps nearly as much as people think.

No ****, there is a Bleacher Report article circulating suggesting MJ could score 50 ppg in this era.

 

[k-town_king]

Here are the star perimeter players whose primes (mostly) occurred during the rule changes. The "no duh" takeaway is that banning hand checks helped offense, but the real takeaway is that I don't think it helps nearly as much as people think.

No ****, there is a Bleacher Report article circulating suggesting MJ could score 50 ppg in this era.

MJ could average 40 easily today if he wanted to.

Also Harper or MJ could guard either Curry or Thompson and shut them down. Pip and MJ could guard KD.

Payton is a better defensive guard than anyone today. Starks, Dumars, Byron Russel, DJ, Michael Cooper would all be elite defenders today. Drexler and Miller weren't bad. There are a ton of good defenders from the 80s and 90s that would be great today.

 

[n_huffhines]

MJ could average 40 easily today if he wanted to.

Also Harper or MJ could guard either Curry or Thompson and shut them down. Pip and MJ could guard KD.

Payton is a better defensive guard than anyone today. Starks, Dumars, Byron Russel, DJ, Michael Cooper would all be elite defenders today. Drexler and Miller weren't bad. There are a ton of good defenders from the 80s and 90s that would be great today.

Bryon Russell would be elite today? Are you f-ing kidding me? He couldn't win all-defensive honors in an era where guys like PJ Brown and a 34 YO John Stockton were getting those honors.

Starks, Dumars, Coop, and Payton are all smaller than MJ. Klay, Durant, Iggy, and Livingston are all bigger than MJ.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[k-town_king]

Bryon Russell would be elite today? Are you f-ing kidding me? He couldn't win all-defensive honors in an era where guys like PJ Brown and a 34 YO John Stockton were getting those honors.

Starks, Dumars, Coop, and Payton are all smaller than MJ. Klay, Durant, Iggy, and Livingston are all bigger than MJ.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm starting to think you never watched basketball until 2005.

I only named guards. I can name a bunch of 6'7 or better forwards too.

None of the Warriors could guard MJ. Harper and Mike both bigger than Curry and as big as Klay. Both an inch shorter but much stronger. Mike could guard KD. Pip could guard KD. Rodman could guard KD. The Bulls would beat this Warriors team with defense and Jordan putting up 40 something a game.