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BadJerry20 said:
Are you seriously this slow? Business is not the same as basketball. You go to the most extreme scenario to prove a point.
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Player Y is a basketball player, not a sales guy. We are talking about basketball.

Forget it. The Jordan vs Magic scenario takes care of all the miscommunication.

I'm not even trying to prove a point, I'm just trying to understand what you think makes an MVP. What point do you think I'm trying to make?
 
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Player x today was making 50k more not 600k more, so stop being dramatic with the crazy pills comment. Last nights comparison was ridiculous.
 
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The year MJ played baseball, the Bulls won 2 less games than the previous year right? Michael Jordan is the best player ever, but he shouldn't have been the MVP every year.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I never said Love should have been MVP. We were talking about Love and started discussing whether or not MVP can come from a losing team.

I think I have a good example that will make it more comparable in your eyes:

Michael Jordan won the scoring title in 1987. His team won 40 games. Pretend we know exactly how many games they win without him, and that that number is 15.

Magic Johnson won MVP leading his team to 65 wins. Pretend we know they would have won 45 games without him.

So Jordan made his team 25 games better

And Magic made his team 20 games better

I know how the AP votes. They give it to the guy from the winning team.

But in this omniscient hypothetical, you would vote for Jordan or Magic?
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Well 5 games isn't that big of a difference. Magic put 24-12-6 while leading the best team in the NBA. So all things considered it's Magic. Numbers, and team performance are factors.


Hypothetically if both teams dropped 25 games, who do you take?
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Well 5 games isn't that big of a difference. Magic put 24-12-6 while leading the best team in the NBA. So all things considered it's Magic. Numbers, and team performance are factors.
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This is all I've been trying to get an answer to since last night.

I have a difference of opinion. I would choose Jordan. That's fine. We don't have to agree on that. I just wanted to know to what degree the award is earned by the team, in your mind. For me, it's 100% about the individual.

I'm pretty sure MVP voters believe it's 100% about the individual, too, but that in a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy, they believe best player/MVP will lead his team to a winning record.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is all I've been trying to get an answer to since last night.

I have a difference of opinion. I would choose Jordan. That's fine. We don't have to agree on that. I just wanted to know to what degree the award is earned by the team, in your mind. For me, it's 100% about the individual.

I'm pretty sure MVP voters believe it's 100% about the individual, too, but that in a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy, they believe best player/MVP will lead his team to a winning record.
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The problem is, we don't know how valuable a guy truly is. We don't know that player x's team would lose 25 more games while player y's team only loses 20. So it's a guessing game if it was called leagues best player award, it would be viewed differently.
 
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Ftr I don't look at the top 5 teams and say, the MVP has to come from this group. But if you can't make the playoffs, then I doubt your value because again we can't truly know the win differential with or without said player.
 
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I'm still laughing at how much the Pacers robbed the Sixers.

Sixers/Pacers will both still get their cap space but wow.... Turner > (rehabbing)Granger and Lavoy Allen is another solid big that's athletic. A 2nd round pick? Pacers gave up essentially nothing to improve. Maybe Granger will get back to full health and be good again(doubt it, his knees are f'ed) but he was going to walk anyways.

Pacers just improved a ton.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
The problem is, we don't know how valuable a guy truly is. We don't know that player x's team would lose 25 more games while player y's team only loses 20. So it's a guessing game if it was called leagues best player award, it would be viewed differently.
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Look at the Cavs in LeBron's last year and then what they did the following year. Somewhere around 40 wins. Pretty astonishing.
 
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GahLee said:
Look at the Cavs in LeBron's last year and then what they did the following year. Somewhere around 40 wins. Pretty astonishing.
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I agree with that. But I'm talking about being able to really figure win difference, with and without guys during the present year. It's a guessing game really.
 
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Cleveland seriously missed big by not dealing Waiters. Spencer Hawes was a huge gain for them. Guy is underrated (but should probably play the 4). Waiters value probably will never be higher and he's just not working out. If they could have got something good for him they could have finished the season very strong and become a much bigger attraction to Lebron.
 
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WTF, Chuck said that Evan Turner will be there to step up if Lance Stephenson comes up short and this solidifies them as the best in the east.

Lance Stephenson is the best 2 guard in the east, IMO, and I don't want Turner to see the floor, if I can help it. LS is the league leader in triple doubles and Turner can't shoot, at best he's an average defender, and turns the ball over a ton. Not even comparable.
 
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