Nationalized Voting

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Orange_Crush said:
Who are you talking to? Geez dude. Stop. Breathe. Read.



I haven't proposed ANOTHER form of ID, einstein. I have simply proposed that an easy fix would be for each state to:

(A) Not give illegal aliens drivers licenses or IDs.
(B) Put on their (state-issued) licenses/IDs, a clear designator of citizenship.
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Oh I answered your question directly. Real ID is fine by the STATES so it’s relevant and its rollout is a disaster. I don’t really care that you can’t comprehend those two facts about real ID however it would seem to indicate that your new proposed form of real ID would also be a disaster even if it’s also carried out by the states. And the d*ck level self righteous disdain in your inability to understand that isn’t my fault.

Carry on now with your new even more complicated form of ID… that we all should expect will be a disaster based on current results.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I'm not sure voting should require the same documentation as carrying a gun, but even if you think it should, I would be more receptive to requiring less documentation for firearms than to making it more (unnecessarily) difficult to vote
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what's more dangerous in our reality?

~88 million people voting Trump into office, or ~150+ million gun owners?

I agree with the your last line tho. I have long called for the "equality of rights", any restriction on one right has to be applied to all rights. any protection of one right has to apply to all. if one standard satisfies the qualifications for a right, it satisfies it for all.
 
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hog88 said:
I just have to wonder how in-depth has this been looked at?
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Well your favorite state went thru voter roll registrations a couple of times and even recently sent the voter rolls to DC for examination. Going from memory I can remember a fairly small count that were flagged for review but most later adjudicated as being legal.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I think 5% or less is the going rate.
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I think aboutr 150M vote in a national election. That means 7.5M or less isn't statistically relevant. An effort to focus 6M fraudulent votes in the right districts could be very consequential and below the standard for concern.

I am not saying it is happening. Just that there is a risk.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh I answered your question directly. Real ID is fine by the STATES so it’s relevant and its rollout is a disaster. I don’t really care that you can’t comprehend those two facts about real ID however it would seem to indicate that your new proposed form of real ID would also be a disaster even if it’s also carried out by the states. And the d*ck level self righteous disdain in your inability to understand that isn’t my fault.

Carry on now with your new even more complicated form of ID… that we all should expect will be a disaster based on current results.
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Again: The fix would be for states to designate citizenship on their IDs. I never mentioned any federal interference, which would be your real-ID comparison. I'll reserve the right to clutch my pearls with you when you prove that your abilities to read the future are trustworthy
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Well your favorite state went thru voter roll registrations a couple of times and even recently sent the voter rolls to DC for examination. Going from memory I can remember a fairly small count that were flagged for review but most later adjudicated as being legal.
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And again I ask, how in-depth were the rolls looked at? Actually, how in-depth can they be looked at since no proof of citizenship is required in order to register? About the only things they could review are death certificates and felony convictions.
 
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Golly gee wiz! We shouldn't expect states to actually know and verify who someone is before giving them a gov't IDENTIFICVATION. That's just a bridge too far, guys.

Here are the requirements for a TN DL:


The following documents are required for a Tennessee learner’s permit:

  • Provide Proof of Identity Tennessee Residency, and u.s. Citizenship or Lawful Presence in the u.s​

    You will need to present original or certified copies of documents that verify your identity and legal status.

    For example, you can use a U.S. passport, a birth certificate, a permanent resident card, or a foreign passport with a visa and I-94 form. You will also need to show two proofs of being a Tennessee resident, such as a utility bill, a bank statement, a lease agreement, or a voter registration card.
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The needed change would be basically to take the information they've already verified, and putting a Citizenship checkbox on the actual, physical DL.
 
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LouderVol said:
what's more dangerous in our reality?

~88 million people voting Trump into office, or ~150+ million gun owners?

I agree with the your last line tho. I have long called for the "equality of rights", any restriction on one right has to be applied to all rights. any protection of one right has to apply to all. if one standard satisfies the qualifications for a right, it satisfies it for all.
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Love the concept of equality of rights.
 
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McDad said:
did you come across what statistically relevant percentage is?
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No it was just a footnote as I replied to hog for TX we’ve been more than happy to service the current dog whistle and even recently sent our voter rolls to DC for further examination on the most recent dog whistle. Going from memory on TX a number were flagged for review and largely adjudicated as legal.

Yes the found number was not zero. I cannot recall it being any noticeable value as compared to 18+ million registers voters.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Again: The fix would be for states to designate citizenship on their IDs. I never mentioned any federal interference, which would be your real-ID comparison. I'll reserve the right to clutch my pearls with you when you prove that your abilities to read the future are trustworthy
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Oh no my real ID comparison DIRECTLY addressed a state issued ID that’s who does it. But it will be different this time.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh no my real ID comparison DIRECTLY addressed a state issued ID that’s who does it. But it will be different this time.
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Orange_Crush said:
Golly gee wiz! We shouldn't expect states to actually know and verify who someone is before giving them a gov't IDENTIFICVATION. That's just a bridge too far, guys.

Here are the requirements for a TN DL:





The needed change would be basically to take the information they've already verified, and putting a Citizenship checkbox on the actual, physical DL.
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Good grief. States are already doing it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No it was just a footnote as I replied to hog for TX we’ve been more than happy to service the current dog whistle and even recently sent our voter rolls to DC for further examination on the most recent dog whistle. Going from memory on TX a number were flagged for review and largely adjudicated as legal.

Yes the found number was not zero. I cannot recall it being any noticeable value as compared to 18+ million registers voters.
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hog88 said:
And again I ask, how in-depth were the rolls looked at? Actually, how in-depth can they be looked at since no proof of citizenship is required in order to register? About the only things they could review are death certificates and felony convictions.
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hog88 said:
And again I ask, how in-depth were the rolls looked at? Actually, how in-depth can they be looked at since no proof of citizenship is required in order to register? About the only things they could review are death certificates and felony convictions.
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The chest puffed number from the state is over 1M registrations were removed. That is for all reasons though like death and moving. Here is an article that shows the number of illegal from last year at 2700. There were a several different articles it seemed touting this number. And this is 0.015%

www.foxnews.com

Texas finds thousands of illegal immigrants registered to vote on state voter rolls

Texas officials identify over 2,700 possible illegal immigrants registered to vote, sending cases to counties for 30-day citizenship verification process.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Indeed. You don’t react well when your self righteous bull **** is challenged.
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You're trying way too hard. Like I said:

(1) I gave at least one example of a state that is already verifying documentation of identity/citizenship, proving it's not some insurmountable burden.
(2) It would be a checkbox on what they are already issuing.

I counter your pearl-clutching prediction with a less pearl-clutching prediction of my own. I suspect our republic would survive if states decided to voluntarily start putting a citizenship designation on the licenses and IDs they are already issuing.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The chest puffed number from the state is over 1M registrations were removed. That is for all reasons though like death and moving. Here is an arrow that shows the number of illegal from last year at 2700. There were a several different articles it seemed touting this number. And this is 0.015%

www.foxnews.com

Texas finds thousands of illegal immigrants registered to vote on state voter rolls

Texas officials identify over 2,700 possible illegal immigrants registered to vote, sending cases to counties for 30-day citizenship verification process.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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1 million removed is a heck of a number, just imagine if TX was like OR and a few other states where they automatically mail ballots to every registered voter?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Golly gee wiz! We shouldn't expect states to actually know and verify who someone is before giving them a gov't IDENTIFICVATION. That's just a bridge too far, guys.

Here are the requirements for a TN DL:





The needed change would be basically to take the information they've already verified, and putting a Citizenship checkbox on the actual, physical DL.
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Those are the same requirements levied on TX residents self righteous windbag as it’s the basis of real ID. Which … for about the fifth time now … was disaster. And now I guess we’ll make everyone go thru it all again and now generate a THIRD level of DL. Non real ID, real ID, and super duper real ID.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You're trying way too hard. Like I said:

(1) I gave at least one example of a state that is already verifying documentation of identity/citizenship, proving it's not some insurmountable burden.
(2) It would be a checkbox on what they are already issuing.

I counter your pearl-clutching prediction with a less pearl-clutching prediction of my own. I suspect our republic would survive if states decided to voluntarily start putting a citizenship designation on the licenses and IDs they are already issuing.
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And I just replied to your horse **** and pointed out that’s exactly how TX does it and will make everyone go thru a more involved process yet again and result in a third form of drivers license.

About that tying too hard? 🤡
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The chest puffed number from the state is over 1M registrations were removed. That is for all reasons though like death and moving. Here is an arrow that shows the number of illegal from last year at 2700. There were a several different articles it seemed touting this number. And this is 0.015%

www.foxnews.com

Texas finds thousands of illegal immigrants registered to vote on state voter rolls

Texas officials identify over 2,700 possible illegal immigrants registered to vote, sending cases to counties for 30-day citizenship verification process.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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It's not even 2,700. They already found US citizens in the list that were erroneously flagged.

www.texastribune.org

U.S. citizens again caught in Texas voter roll investigation

Texas state election officials did not initially check state records before telling counties to investigate the citizenship of 2,724 registered voters.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
 
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