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#131
I remember in the leadup to the 2020 election I asked multiple times, "if trump loses the election, do you think he will concede and handle the transition in a normal way?"
The answer was consistently "yes, of course he will".

lol....

With trump, always assume the worst.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Do you believe that if the d get power back leaning POTUS, house, and Congress they won't do the exact same and more.mmhrll they started in 20...just so poorly done to failed because they l didnt don't legally
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Ahh yes the age old conservative mantra, “At some point in the future liberals might have all the power and may use that power against us, so we must break all the laws now because they might in the future!!!!” Can’t beat that logic.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Ahh yes the age old conservative mantra, “At some point in the future liberals might have all the power and may use that power against us, so we must break all the laws now because they might in the future!!!!” Can’t beat that logic.
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You all will use the same exact playbook the Trump admin is using to increase federal power to push your agenda. Just gonna be funny hearing Rs whining to "reduce the power of the fed govt" once you take back over....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
You all will use the same exact playbook the Trump admin is using to increase federal power to push your agenda. Just gonna be funny hearing Rs whining to "reduce the power of the fed govt" once you take back over....
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How do you reduce power already given via the constitution..??? Just because the power hasn't been used doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
How do you reduce power already given via the constitution..??? Just because the power hasn't been used doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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The Constitution gives them the ability to write a law that WOULD give them the power. the power doesn't currently exist now under the Constitution, or the current laws. so no the government does not have the power, as it does not exist at all.

Like if Trump tried to EO this, it would be unConstitutional. or if he just tasked the DoJ to take over elections it would be unConstitutional.

the Constitution protects the unfettered rights of individuals, not government power.
 
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LouderVol said:
The Constitution gives them the ability to write a law that WOULD give them the power. the power doesn't currently exist now under the Constitution, or the current laws. so no the government does not have the power, as it does not exist at all.

Like if Trump tried to EO this, it would be unConstitutional. or if he just tasked the DoJ to take over elections it would be unConstitutional.

the Constitution protects the unfettered rights of individuals, not government power.
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But the power is there to write the law... They are not doing anything unconsitutional. It's boiling down to personal opinion not legality... I'm concerned with legality.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
How is this contra to the Constitution?
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The states are supposed to run the elections not the federal govt. Congress has power to create guidelines for the states, but not outright run them. Also kind of ignoring that trump tried to appropriate powers regarding the elections by executive order earlier.

You do realize that theres no way to take rights from the left without also taking them from the right (yourselves)?
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Ahh yes the age old conservative mantra, “At some point in the future liberals might have all the power and may use that power against us, so we must break all the laws now because they might in the future!!!!” Can’t beat that logic.
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It was a liberal that made that assertion as the reason that conservatives should feel grumpy about the president legally making election reforms that conservatives have generally wanted for decades, and should desire that he not do so.
 
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LouderVol said:
The Constitution gives them the ability to write a law that WOULD give them the power. the power doesn't currently exist now under the Constitution, or the current laws. so no the government does not have the power, as it does not exist at all.
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Maybe it's me, but you're not making any sense. The Constitution explicitly gives Congress the power to legislate per elections. Congress has legislated per elections. They probably will again. How is legislating per elections thus increasing their power?

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Like if Trump tried to EO this, it would be unConstitutional. or if he just tasked the DoJ to take over elections it would be unConstitutional.
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Trump is not trying to do it via EO. That seems like a red herring.

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the Constitution protects the unfettered rights of individuals, not government power.
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The Constitution explicitly gives Congress the power to legislate per elections. Congress has previously legislated per elections and likely will again. What are you talking about?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
But the power is there to write the law... They are not doing anything unconsitutional. It's boiling down to personal opinion not legality... I'm concerned with legality.
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it is a matter of legality. just like you can't be charged for crime before the law is in effect, there is no power/legality before the law.

the legality is to write the law. which would then give them the power. the power doesn't exist before the law. congress could just as easily write a law enshrining it as a state power, and then Trump would be up crap creek.
 
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LouderVol said:
it is a matter of legality. just like you can't be charged for crime before the law is in effect, there is no power/legality before the law.

the legality is to write the law. which would then give them the power. the power doesn't exist before the law. congress could just as easily write a law enshrining it as a state power, and then Trump would be up crap creek.
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So wait if I can legally do something.... Your saying it not within my power to do so??? Are you saying they have v be to follow voter id before Congress legislates it?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So wait if I can legally do something.... Your saying it not within my power to do so???
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there is no governmental power to "do" something, before they have the actual law behind it to do whatever. again the Constitution is a LIMIT on the federal government, 10th amendment. only WHEN Congress passes a law does the government doing something, assuming its constitutional, become legal.

right now all Trump can do is hope Congress writes a law. writing a law has never been a power of the president. also he needs to hope Congress writes a favorable law, instead of one that works against him.

cops need a warrant to enter my house, unless they have reason to believe in X circumstances. if said cop enters my house, without a warrant and without reason X, he illegally entered my house. just because the cop CAN enter my house legally doesn't mean its automatically legal to do it. even for the government.

at 16 I can legally go get a drivers license, but I can not legally drive a car before I actually get the license, even though I am legally meet the requirements.

congress has the ability to raise taxes. they can not collect said taxes, until they pass the law behind it.

the government doesn't have the power/right to do whatever. UNTIL it passes a law saying it can. so there is no power without the legal backing. that is how the Constitution works, 10th Amendment.
 
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