National Championship

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#276
Bottom line is it was a great team. 3 perimeter players averaged 17+ points and shot 38%+ from 3.

Guess what? All 3 were McDonald's HS all-americans.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have a weird love/hate relationship with K. He's the best, but I kinda hate K as an Xs and Os guy. I think he has 5 championships because he's had the best players for the last 30 years. That all goes to his credit as a recruiter and program builder, but I can't stand his in-game coaching. He just lets his guys out-talent you.
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This is your original post
 
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Too much hyperbole on my part, but Iclarified my position and was complimentary about K on defense. Of course he can coach, but Xs and Os aren't what make him elite. It's talent. It's the fact that he's had more All Americans than anyone, and it's not even close.

You can make an argument that he is the best Xs and Os guy, and there is no way to really say whether he is or he isn't, but objectively speaking, he has by far the most talent to work with. It's not even close. One might even question why he hasn't won more.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Too much hyperbole on my part, but Iclarified my position and was complimentary about K on defense. Of course he can coach, but Xs and Os aren't what make him elite. It's talent. It's the fact that he's had more All Americans than anyone, and it's not even close.

You can make an argument that he is the best Xs and Os guy, and there is no way to really say whether he is or he isn't, but objectively speaking, he has by far the most talent to work with. It's not even close. One might even question why he hasn't won more.
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Well... you are certainly tenacious in defending your position. This is where I simply ask that we agree to disagree. (I'm on mobile or I would put the cool little hat tipping emoticon here)
 
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I'm tenacious? Dude, you came at me out of nowhere and I explained my position and told you we actually agreed and then you went back and found something to disagree with me on.
 
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spankadelphia said:
I was pulling for Wisconsin, but anything that causes consternation with the University of Nothing but Cheating and their fans is fine by me.
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You should add NC State to your list of sports teams under your profile. You act just like one of those doolittles.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm tenacious? Dude, you came at me out of nowhere and I explained my position and told you we actually agreed and then you went back and found something to disagree with me on.
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Geez Dude. I disagreed with you on your position that Coach K is not a good Xs and Os coach. I think you are in a very small minority with that position. How all of this spun off into the other crap that has filled this thread is between you and others. I think Coach K is a great coach in all aspects and you don't. No big deal at the end of the day.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Is Nolan Smith not a natural PG? Is it inaccurate to include him as PG of a national championship team?

And I think the whole point of the guy who brought up Scheyer was that Scheyer sucked and had to play out of position...but Scheyer was good. He beat out Nolan Smith who was a good, natural PG. It's not like K was winning a title with Steven Pearl running point because that's all he had.
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No Nolan Smith wasn't a natural PG. He was a top 40 SG coming out. If Scheyer sucked and was still better than Smith then that ruins you case even more that he was a better PG than Tyus Jones.

I didn't know anyone else brought Scheyer up cause I didn't read every post. I brought him up cause I follow Duke heavily and have for 20+ years and remembered who played the PG on that team.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Nolan Smith was not an elite CBB point guard.
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So I don't really post much (never) but being someone who follows Duke basketball, I'd have to disagree. In 2010-11, when Smith spent most of the year as a PG with Kyrie Irving hurt, he finished as a Consensus 1st Team All-American and a Naismith/Wooden Award Finalist. I think most people would consider that elite.

Also, it is silly to compare Smith and Jones freshman year's because they were in completely different scenarios. Smith entered a team with already 3 established guards while Jones joined a team with the only returning point guard being Quinn Cook. So its almost like comparing apples to oranges.

But then again, thats just my opinion.
 
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JustYellGoVols said:
So I don't really post much (never) but being someone who follows Duke basketball, I'd have to disagree. In 2010-11, when Smith spent most of the year as a PG with Kyrie Irving hurt, he finished as a Consensus 1st Team All-American and a Naismith/Wooden Award Finalist. I think most people would consider that elite.

Also, it is silly to compare Smith and Jones freshman year's because they were in completely different scenarios. Smith entered a team with already 3 established guards while Jones joined a team with the only returning point guard being Quinn Cook. So its almost like comparing apples to oranges.

But then again, thats just my opinion.
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Smith's senior year the offense went through Singler and Smith was an over glorified shooting guard. He had an amazing year. But not as a real point guard imo.
 
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armchair said:
Yea, I hate duke too. I didn't think they'd win it--not with three freshman starters. This was like Connecticut's championship--not out of nowhere, but surprising.

Wisconsin tonight played like our women's team--scared. If you aren't aggressive and play to win, the other team will. When the had a six point lead, Duke started playing more aggressively--as they had to--and Wisconsin just wilted, strangely.
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This was nothing like UConn. Duke was a top 5 team all year long with the best set of road wins in the country. UConn was a 7 seed carried by one player.
 
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n_huffhines said:
WTF.

First of all, I didn't compare him to anyone. The guy said Scheyer was running point. Nolan Smith was.

Second, I've never heard of a guy who averaged 20 and 5 in the ACC referred to as serviceable.
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Scheyer was running the point. They tried it with Smith in previous seasons and he failed miserably, so in 2010 it was Scheyer.
 
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n_huffhines said:
A poor example of what? I don't know what your point is, but you wandered into my discussion with someone else and you seem to be confused about what's being said.

You think a Senior who averaged 20 and 5 is a distant 4th behind a Freshman who averaged 11 and 5?
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Smith also wasn't a senior, and I have very serious doubts that he averaged 20 and 5.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Is Nolan Smith not a natural PG? Is it inaccurate to include him as PG of a national championship team?

And I think the whole point of the guy who brought up Scheyer was that Scheyer sucked and had to play out of position...but Scheyer was good. He beat out Nolan Smith who was a good, natural PG. It's not like K was winning a title with Steven Pearl running point because that's all he had.
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Nolan Smith wasn't really a good PG at that point. It's why they finally gave up and put the ball in Scheyer's hands.
 
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IDK why people are saying Smith isn't a natural PG. He's 6' 2", he guarded the opposing PG, he had a good handle, and he averaged 5+ apg* when he was the designated PG.

*5 apg may not sound like a lot, but that will put you in the top 40 of the entire NCAA
 
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n_huffhines said:
IDK why people are saying Smith isn't a natural PG. He's 6' 2", he guarded the opposing PG, he had a good handle, and he averaged 5+ apg* when he was the designated PG.

*5 apg may not sound like a lot, but that will put you in the top 40 of the entire NCAA
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We're telling you he didn't play it in 2009-10 during their title run not that he never played it. Guess CL5 was a natural PG too cause he was 6'2?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
We're telling you he didn't play it in 2009-10 during their title run not that he never played it. Guess CL5 was a natural PG too cause he was 6'2?
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I get that, but some people are saying he's a natural 2, not a 1. I completely disagree.

Scheyer was not a natural 1, but he was damn good at it, offensively speaking. Such a good a:to ratio. Smith was score first, but he was still a natural 1.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I get that, but some people are saying he's a natural 2, not a 1. I completely disagree.

Scheyer was not a natural 1, but he was damn good at it, offensively speaking. Such a good a:to ratio. Smith was score first, but he was still a natural 1.
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I didn't say he was a natural 2. I said they ran the team through Singler. So Smith put up way more shots and acted more like a two who simply brought the ball up the floor
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
We're telling you he didn't play it in 2009-10 during their title run not that he never played it. Guess CL5 was a natural PG too cause he was 6'2?
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Basically Quinn Cook and Nolan Smith are essentially the same story. Nolan and Quinn both played 1, but excelled playing the 2. Both teams became elite because they accepted their new roles.
 
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volfanbill said:
I didn't say he was a natural 2. I said they ran the team through Singler. So Smith put up way more shots and acted more like a two who simply brought the ball up the floor
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If you didn't say it, then I wasn't talking about you.

It is weird that you say they ran the offense through Singler, though. Smith had more points and 3x as many assists.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If you didn't say it, then I wasn't talking about you.

It is weird that you say they ran the offense through Singler, though. Smith had more points and 3x as many assists.
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Well regardless, I'm telling you why his numbers looked so good. You'd be wise to understand that.

As for T Jones, having Cook beside him paid huge dividends.
 
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