Nathan Peterman to start for the Bills

[butchna]

Worst thing for Worley, Peterman, Dobbs, and Ferguson was losing Bajakian after one year. Hate to break it to ya, but the fact of the matter is that in big programs, your OC has to also be the QB coach. It hardly works out when your OC isn't coaching QB's.

Dobbs and Debord put up a lot of stats, but they never won anything in terms of titles/hardware.

Losing OC/QB Coach in Bajakian was always going to set back the QB's. You can get away with that stuff in Big East football, but not in the big leagues.

Thanks for being gentle. :lol: You do know Bajakian was here for :victory: seasons? Thought Coach Jake got in his own way too much trying to trick the opposition and DeBord was a superior playcaller. There’s no such thing as “has to be the QB coach”. That’s just your opinion. We did need a dedicated on-field QB coach in retrospect.

 

[JMSqb11]

Thanks for being gentle. :lol: You do know Bajakian was here for :victory: seasons? Thought Coach Jake got in his own way too much trying to trick the opposition and DeBord was a superior playcaller. There’s no such thing as “has to be the QB coach”. That’s just your opinion. We did need a dedicated on-field QB coach in retrospect.

My apologies. Butch years were a blur.

Having Debord and Sheridan as a GA Qb Coach was a nightmare. Especially in a rebuilding program.

Hell look at the most recent example of this. USC lost their Qb coach/playcaller and Tee finally got total control of the playcalling and he got shut down.

 

[k-town_king]

Curious, is injecting racism into everything always your first counter argument?

You are truly a child if you think that one game defines anyone's career. You are basically twins with D4H as he, like you, crowns a player's career based on one year or one game and that is set in stone.

Its amazing how many people can't have a legitimate debate, but chose to cry racism the minute they don't like what they hear. But hey, that's what sells nowadays. You are truly a sad individual.

For the record, I never mentioned QD being better than JG. You put those words in my mouth.

For the record, I never said Nate was a better QB than Dobbs. You put those words in my mouth.

It must be tough having to make others look like racists on a message board.

When people always say a better passing black qb is a rb playing qb or they should move positions, but never say it about the much worse white qb race is a factor. Why would you not say Dormady is not a qb? Dobbs is a much better passer and overall qb. I didn't hear you say that about him, or Peterman, or McBride, or any other worse qb. I don't have to make anyone look like anything. Their words speak for themselves.


Peterman is more than one game. He came in this game and threw another pick. Regardless of how long he played the Bills most likely sign a vet and draft a better qb.

 

[JMSqb11]

When people always say a better passing black qb is a rb playing qb or they should move positions, but never say it about the much worse white qb race is a factor. Why would you not say Dormady is not a qb? Dobbs is a much better passer and overall qb. I didn't hear you say that about him, or Peterman, or McBride, or any other worse qb. I don't have to make anyone look like anything. Their words speak for themselves.


Peterman is more than one game. He came in this game and threw another pick. Regardless of how long he played the Bills most likely sign a vet and draft a better qb.

So because I may be a racist, I can't say that Dobbs and QD have had equal opportunities? Dobbs, not by his choice due to injuries, got to play each year he was on the team. Dobbs essentially got 4 years to grow his game, mechanics, smarts, and what not. QD got his first start his Junior year. For the record, I have NEVER said QD was a better anything than Dobbs. The only time I ever mentioned anything between to two was during the South Carolina game in 2016. It was evidently clear that Dobbs couldn't hit a receiver at all the entire game. The best move would have been to pull Dobbs for a series or two for QD to see if he could get anything going. That's not racist.

But according to you, if QD would have come in and gave us two good series, it would have been unfair to Dobbs I am sure.

And once again, your putting words into my mouth because you can only cry racism when you can't have a legitimate discussion.

And on Peterman and the Bills, you clearly only read headlines. Yes he threw a pick vs the Jags. No one, including myself, ever thought he was gonna have a chance to tie the game up in that situation. Not because of his ability, but because of the Bills.

Secondly, I bet you didn't even watch the Chargers game in his first start did you? Once again, this is what happens with people who only read the box scores. Nate did have 5 picks in that game. However, if anyone was reasonable and watch the highlights or game itself, you would see that 3 of those picks were balls that hit a receiver in their brick hands, got hit while throwing the ball thanks to porous line, and a receiver not running out his route.

Since you only look at headlines, here is some context for you. Nate's first start was against the best front 7 in the league when it came to pass rushing. Also, since you don't like the evil C word, here is video context for you:

Nathan Peterman Throws 5 INTs in First Half of First NFL Start | Bills vs. Chargers | NFL Wk 11 - YouTube

00:35- First Pick hit full back in hands and he bobbles it resulting in a pick 6.

01:00- Second Pick thrown under pressure into middle of the field. Horrible decision, but rookie mistake. No QB, white or black, gets away with that in the NFL

1:30- Third Pick thrown while getting hit. Had an open receiver, but got hit throwing the ball up for grabs to the secondary. Hardly QB's fault for throwing that with a porous line

1:45-Fourth pick wasn't thrown outside enough. Rookie Mistake. Can get away with that in college, but not the pro's. This is a very common mistake that happens with rookie QB's. Yes K Town, even white Qb's can make these mistakes.

2:35- Fifth Pick was a result of the receiver not running out his route.

Even on the highlights, Nate bounced back and made some good throws. Losing the #1 receiver as rookie hurts bigly. Are you denying that?

He's hardly the basketcase that you make him out to be.

But all that matters to you is that I am apparently a racist because I choose to use context when breaking down QB play.

 

[k-town_king]

So because I may be a racist, I can't say that Dobbs and QD have had equal opportunities? Dobbs, not by his choice due to injuries, got to play each year he was on the team. Dobbs essentially got 4 years to grow his game, mechanics, smarts, and what not. QD got his first start his Junior year. For the record, I have NEVER said QD was a better anything than Dobbs. The only time I ever mentioned anything between to two was during the South Carolina game in 2016. It was evidently clear that Dobbs couldn't hit a receiver at all the entire game. The best move would have been to pull Dobbs for a series or two for QD to see if he could get anything going. That's not racist.

But according to you, if QD would have come in and gave us two good series, it would have been unfair to Dobbs I am sure.

And once again, your putting words into my mouth because you can only cry racism when you can't have a legitimate discussion.

And on Peterman and the Bills, you clearly only read headlines. Yes he threw a pick vs the Jags. No one, including myself, ever thought he was gonna have a chance to tie the game up in that situation. Not because of his ability, but because of the Bills.

Secondly, I bet you didn't even watch the Chargers game in his first start did you? Once again, this is what happens with people who only read the box scores. Nate did have 5 picks in that game. However, if anyone was reasonable and watch the highlights or game itself, you would see that 3 of those picks were balls that hit a receiver in their brick hands, got hit while throwing the ball thanks to porous line, and a receiver not running out his route.

Since you only look at headlines, here is some context for you:

Nathan Peterman Throws 5 INTs in First Half of First NFL Start | Bills vs. Chargers | NFL Wk 11 - YouTube

00:35- First Pick hit full back in hands and he bobbles it resulting in a pick 6.

01:00- Second Pick thrown under pressure into middle of the field. Horrible decision, but rookie mistake. No QB, white or black, gets away with that in the NFL

1:30- Third Pick thrown while getting hit. Had an open receiver, but got hit throwing the ball up for grabs to the secondary. Hardly QB's fault for throwing that with a porous line

1:45-Fourth pick wasn't thrown outside enough. Rookie Mistake. Can get away with that in college, but not the pro's. This is a very common mistake that happens with rookie QB's. Yes K Town, even white Qb's can make these mistakes.

2:35- Fifth Pick was a result of the receiver not running out his route.

Even on the highlights, Nate bounced back and made some good throws. Losing the #1 receiver as rookie hurts bigly. Are you denying that?

He's hardly the basketcase that you make him out to be.

But all that matters to you is that I am apparently a racist because I choose to use context when breaking down QB play.

Of course the point goes over your head. You just admitted Dobbs is a better qb than Dormady or Peterman. Yet you claim Dobbs is not a qb but "a running back playing qb."

So he isn't a qb, but the guys you say he is a better qb than are qbs? That doesn't add up. :dunno:

 

[JMSqb11]

Of course the point goes over your head. You just admitted Dobbs is a better qb than Dormady or Peterman. Yet you claim Dobbs is not a qb but "a running back playing qb."

So he isn't a qb, but the guys you say he is a better qb than are qbs? That doesn't add up. :dunno:

Nate Peterman and Dormady and even JG had horrible records as starters. Just because someone is better than horrible doesn't mean they are great.

Dobbs won a lot of games, but those wins didn't lead to any hardware. Dobbs was a good QB, but he wasn't great. The difference between good and great isn't wins, but hardware. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.

 

[k-town_king]

Nate Peterman and Dormady and even JG had horrible records as starters. Just because someone is better than horrible doesn't mean they are great.

Dobbs won a lot of games, but those wins didn't lead to any hardware. Dobbs was a good QB, but he wasn't great. The difference between good and great isn't wins, but hardware. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.

So you can't explain your, "running back playing qb," comment I see. Changing the point.

I'm done with this discussion though. Continue thinking Peterman will be a good NFL qb and Dooley will be a good oc.

 

[JMSqb11]

So you can't explain your, "running back playing qb," comment I see. Changing the point.

I'm done with this discussion though. Continue thinking Peterman will be a good NFL qb and Dooley will be a good oc.

Of course I can. Dobbs got more done with his feet than his arm. He was never a consistent passer much like Braxton Miller. And when you inevitably post Dobbs career passing stats, you will forget to use that evil, racist word of Context. Because if you did use context, you would know that the majority of Dobbs passing stats came off screens, swings, and slants that are quick read throws. He hardly was a consistent, dependable QB in the vertical passing game. Can you argue otherwise without injecting race?

 

[k-town_king]

Of course I can. Dobbs got more done with his feet than his arm. He was never a consistent passer much like Braxton Miller. And when you inevitably post Dobbs career passing stats, you will forget to use that evil, racist word of Context. Because if you did use context, you would know that the majority of Dobbs passing stats came off screens, swings, and slants that are quick read throws. He hardly was a consistent, dependable QB in the vertical passing game. Can you argue otherwise without injecting race?

So why would the qbs, who were worse running the exact same plays, be qbs and not need to switch positions?

I guess Baker Mayfield sucks too because he ran the exact same offense you are bashing Dobbs for running.

Dobbs was statistically one of the best deep ball passers in the NCAA his Sr season. But we know facts don't matter to you.

 

[JMSqb11]

So why would the qbs, who were worse running the exact same plays, be qbs and not need to switch positions?

I guess Baker Mayfield sucks too because he ran the exact same offense you are bashing Dobbs for running.

Dobbs was statistically one of the best deep ball passers in the NCAA his Sr season. But we know facts don't matter to you.

That’s blatantly false. The OU offense is nothing like what Butch ran. They only share one thing and that is the name only, Spread.

And Dobbs was not one of the best deep ball throwers in 2016. Look at the YAC stats for all players that caught balls. Tons of YAC which means (and can be proven from game film) that majority of receptions/passes were completed close to line of scrimmage. But hey, keep making things up!

 

[1972 Grad]

Take away Dobbs' great running ability, and he is a very average qb.

 

[k-town_king]

That’s blatantly false. The OU offense is nothing like what Butch ran. They only share one thing and that is the name only, Spread.

And Dobbs was not one of the best deep ball throwers in 2016. Look at the YAC stats for all players that caught balls. Tons of YAC which means (and can be proven from game film) that majority of receptions/passes were completed close to line of scrimmage. But hey, keep making things up!

I doubt you watched one OU game then. They run screens, slants, swing passes, and comebacks the whole game. Mayfield throws it deep threw the air maybe even less than Dobbs did. He makes great quick decisions and gets it to his playmakers who get a ton of yac. Riley Ferguson and Memphis did the same thing this year.

Dobbs was really good deep his Sr year. You can't try to twist facts. He lead the SEC in passer rating and Tds his Sr year.

 

[k-town_king]

Take away Dobbs' great running ability, and he is a very average qb.

Fair evaluation if that is your opinion. Scrambling ability and mobility are part of playing qb though.

 

[VOLNPA]

His Pitt career is so overrated. He was pretty mediocre there. One 300 yard game in his career. It just was against Clemson in a win.

I don't disagree with any of that...but that WR did him no favors not attacking the ball.

 

[KBVol]

Future notice to Pruitt and Helton. Don't chose to give the first start of a QB's career in hostile environments. Hardly ever works out.

Lyle definitely threw him to the wolves, was a dumb thing to do. But it happened and young Nathan just wasn’t ready, nor was he equipped to play qb in the SEC. He made a nice recovery after transferring to Pitt and re-setting his college career. Hope he’s able to make a similar rebound in the NFL...definitely a rough start.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Take away Dobbs' great running ability, and he is a very average qb.

Possibly even less than average since his passing stats are skewed due to his running ability. Someone Worley-like that literally never ran the ball was an easier target to go after.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I doubt you watched one OU game then. They run screens, slants, swing passes, and comebacks the whole game. Mayfield throws it deep threw the air maybe even less than Dobbs did. He makes great quick decisions and gets it to his playmakers who get a ton of yac. Riley Ferguson and Memphis did the same thing this year.

Dobbs was really good deep his Sr year. You can't try to twist facts. He lead the SEC in passer rating and Tds his Sr year.

No, not really.

 

[KBVol]

I doubt you watched one OU game then. They run screens, slants, swing passes, and comebacks the whole game. Mayfield throws it deep threw the air maybe even less than Dobbs did. He makes great quick decisions and gets it to his playmakers who get a ton of yac. Riley Ferguson and Memphis did the same thing this year.

Dobbs was really good deep his Sr year. You can't try to twist facts. He lead the SEC in passer rating and Tds his Sr year.

Agree with some of what you say, but the part about Mayfield throwing less downfield than Dobbs just isn’t correct. Mayfield set an NCAA record this year for average yards per attempt, 11.8, and there’s no way possible that he does that throwing only screens and swing passes. I thought OU ran a nice mixture of short, intermediate and deep passes, much better than Tennessee ever did with Lyle....and Baker was incredibly accurate to boot.

 

[1972 Grad]

Fair evaluation if that is your opinion. Scrambling ability and mobility are part of playing qb though.

True. Overall, he was an effective college qb. I don't think his game translates as well to the NFL, but I could be wrong.

 

[k-town_king]

Agree with some of what you say, but the part about Mayfield throwing less downfield than Dobbs just isn’t correct. Mayfield set an NCAA record this year for average yards per attempt, 11.8, and there’s no way possible that he does that throwing only screens and swing passes. I thought OU ran a nice mixture of short, intermediate and deep passes, much better than Tennessee ever did with Lyle....and Baker was incredibly accurate to boot.

He only goes deep a few times a game. His wrs, rb, and te take a bunch of 2 yard passes and screens and turn them into long plays. At least that what I see every time watch them like the UGA game. The went deep a couple times but they threw short almost every play. UGA adjusted second half and shut down the short passing game and took over. He makes great decision and has great playmakers plus he plays Big12 defenses. That is why his average is so high. They mix it up but he doesn't throw it deep much more than Dobbs did. Of course I don't have the advanced stats but I know they run a ton of screens and short passes.

 

[JMSqb11]

I doubt you watched one OU game then. They run screens, slants, swing passes, and comebacks the whole game. Mayfield throws it deep threw the air maybe even less than Dobbs did. He makes great quick decisions and gets it to his playmakers who get a ton of yac. Riley Ferguson and Memphis did the same thing this year.

Dobbs was really good deep his Sr year. You can't try to twist facts. He lead the SEC in passer rating and Tds his Sr year.

You must have missed OU's last two games because they throw deep quite a bit. Now you are just arguing to argue. At the end of the day, Baker is tons better than Dobbs. Why? Hardware.

 

[JMSqb11]

I doubt you watched one OU game then. They run screens, slants, swing passes, and comebacks the whole game. Mayfield throws it deep threw the air maybe even less than Dobbs did. He makes great quick decisions and gets it to his playmakers who get a ton of yac. Riley Ferguson and Memphis did the same thing this year.

Dobbs was really good deep his Sr year. You can't try to twist facts. He lead the SEC in passer rating and Tds his Sr year.

So many screens, swings, and slants. You're a fraud and a phony.

Baker Mayfield || 2017-2018 Oklahoma Highlights ᴴᴰ - YouTube

 

[k-town_king]

So many screens, swings, and slants. You're a fraud and a phony.

Baker Mayfield || 2017-2018 Oklahoma Highlights ᴴᴰ - YouTube

Josh Dobbs Official Highlights || Welcome to Pittsburgh - YouTube

Josh Dobbs 2016 Highlights || "Space Dobbs" || - YouTube

Funny. I don't see any screens, swings, and slants on Dobbs HIGHLIGHT videos either. Its almost as if they HIGHLIGHT the big plays. Not the plays they run 90% of the time. :crazy::crazy:

So since in Dobbs' HIGHLIGHTS he throws a bunch of deep passes or breaks super longs runs I assume that is all he did. Isn't this how this is supposed to work according to your logic?

 

[perico]

Curious, is injecting racism into everything always your first counter argument?

You are truly a child if you think that one game defines anyone's career. You are basically twins with D4H as he, like you, crowns a player's career based on one year or one game and that is set in stone.

Its amazing how many people can't have a legitimate debate, but chose to cry racism the minute they don't like what they hear. But hey, that's what sells nowadays. You are truly a sad individual.

For the record, I never mentioned QD being better than JG. You put those words in my mouth.

For the record, I never said Nate was a better QB than Dobbs. You put those words in my mouth.

For the record, Baker Mayfield is a hell of a better QB than Dobbs was simply based on accomplishments. Baker won conference titles.

Dobbs is basically Peyton Manning to some Vol Faithful. Nothing wrong with that at all. However, there is a significant difference between Dobbs and Baker because Baker has hardware to show off. Dobbs doesn't.

It must be tough having to make others look like racists on a message board.

Peyton and Tee are the only UT QBs who do since 1991. Peyton has the 1997 SEC and Tee has that and the natty