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allvol123 said:
Thanks. Results, fathers living with the kids are more involved. Gee, was someone saying otherwise?
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So now you believe the stats because you got to conclude what you wanted to conclude, LOL.

KB's implied thesis was that it's insignificant that the war on drugs puts black men in prison because they're absent Fathers otherwise, but there is the data right there that shows a significant number of Fathers are extremely present. Neither of you have presented any data to support your case that "most" are "absent" (whatever that means? < 1x week?). Do you think if 17% of kids whose fathers are incarcerated because of the WOD were able to see their Dads daily it would make a difference in their lives? The answer is so obvious, but I don't think coming up with the answer is the problem. You guys can't even fathom the question. FFS, you guys don't understand anything that doesn't fit your world view.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
there are three levels of drug addiction, you can escape the first level pretty easy, even with an addictive personality.

2nd is a lot harder

3rd is almost impossible without severe treatment and changes

If you are saying that someone getting arrested for a baggie of meth or weed is what is keeping them jobless and on drugs, that is mostly BS, although most employers drug test and will not hire druggies.

The "cycle" of crime that keeps people from getting employment is not having a stable job history, address, money, car, no driver's license etc. because they usually are involved in various criminal activities (thefts, etc) No one MAKES them choose that life, they do it to themselves
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My theory on drugs:

Kid gets sees neighborhood big shot with the car and girls and wants to be the that cool guy with the fast cash and all the cool ****. Legalize drugs the fast easy money is gone.

Kid gets popped for a minor drug charge, they can't get any .gov assistance for post HS career training (college or trade) so we need to do away with that idiocy.

Addict gets caught stealing to feed drug habit, instead of prison they should go to rehab. 3 strike rule here before they have a felony hung on them.

Violent crime none of the above counts. Don't pass go and collect your money, it's straight off to prison.
 
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#581
hog88 said:
My theory on drugs:

Kid gets sees neighborhood big shot with the car and girls and wants to be the that cool guy with the fast cash and all the cool ****. Legalize drugs the fast easy money is gone.

Kid gets popped for a minor drug charge, they can't get any .gov assistance for post HS career training (college or trade) so we need to do away with that idiocy.

Addict gets caught stealing to feed drug habit, instead of prison they should go to rehab. 3 strike rule here before they have a felony hung on them.

Violent crime none of the above counts. Don't pass go and collect your money, it's straight off to prison.
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Florida had made an effort to get diversion going for non violent offenses like you list. The numbers have been impressive
 
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#583
n_huffhines said:
So now you believe the stats because you got to conclude what you wanted to conclude, LOL.

KB's implied thesis was that it's insignificant that the war on drugs puts black men in prison because they're absent Fathers otherwise, but there is the data right there that shows a significant number of Fathers are extremely present. Neither of you have presented any data to support your case that "most" are "absent" (whatever that means? < 1x week?). Do you think if 17% of kids whose fathers are incarcerated because of the WOD were able to see their Dads daily it would make a difference in their lives? The answer is so obvious, but I don't think coming up with the answer is the problem. You guys can't even fathom the question. FFS, you guys don't understand anything that doesn't fit your world view.
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I didnt like them, I said they conclude what is obvious.

Is there somewhere in the study that indicates marriage rates among non incarcerated blacks with children? I missed it.
 
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hog88 said:
My theory on drugs:

Kid gets sees neighborhood big shot with the car and girls and wants to be the that cool guy with the fast cash and all the cool ****. Legalize drugs the fast easy money is gone.

Kid gets popped for a minor drug charge, they can't get any .gov assistance for post HS career training (college or trade) so we need to do away with that idiocy.

Addict gets caught stealing to feed drug habit, instead of prison they should go to rehab. 3 strike rule here before they have a felony hung on them.

Violent crime none of the above counts. Don't pass go and collect your money, it's straight off to prison.
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I have honestly never put much thought into the issues you spotlight, but at first blush your ideas seem logical.
 
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#585
FLVOL_79 said:
Most of them were American citizens (more Democrat terrorism). Blacks weren't citizens until 1868, with slavery being abolished a few years prior. Reagan cut checks for $20k to all survivors in the 80's, and I think everyone received some sort of payout eventually but it was only to survivors or the children of a person interred there. I'd wager 99% of blacks today have zero proof that anyone in their family was a slave. Sure, they most likely were, but there is no tangible evidence to support any of their claims unlike the Japanese who were documented in the camps. Then of course you have the blacks who came (and still come) to this country after slavery was abolished. They can't claim anything. 600,000 plus dead and freedom should be reparations enough because no amount of money is going to fix any of their problems.
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Very well stated.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're not supposed to admit to basing generalizations on personal experience.
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What does you're not supposed to mean. I'm certainly not atypical. In African American communities there absolutely is a "dad not around" crisis and it's becoming more and more prevalent in white comminutes as well. To pretend anything less just isn't grounded in reality.
 
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allvol123 said:
I didnt like them, I said they conclude what is obvious.

Is there somewhere in the study that indicates marriage rates among non incarcerated blacks with children? I missed it.
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There is no way he believes what he is typing; single parent homes in the US as of 2018:

African Americans- 65% or 6.1 million
Hispanic- 41% or 7.3 million
White- 24% or 8.4 million
Asian- 15% or 547k
 
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landscapingvol said:
There is no way he believes what he is typing; single parent homes in the US as of 2018:

African Americans- 65% or 6.1 million
Hispanic- 41% or 7.3 million
White- 24% or 8.4 million
Asian- 15% or 547k
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"Single parent home" does not mean "absent Father". Maybe if you understood the conversation, you wouldn't find my position so unbelievable.
 
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n_huffhines said:
"Single parent home" does not mean "absent Father". Maybe if you understood the conversation, you wouldn't find my position so unbelievable.
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Which gender do you think heads those single parent homes?! Of the 20 million children in the US who live without the physical presence of a father, 54.6 % are African American, 31.2% are Hispanic, and 20.7% are white.

Fatherless Children in the US
 
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landscapingvol said:
Which gender do you think heads those single parent homes?! Of the 20 million children in the US who live without the physical presence of a father, 54.6 % are African American, 31.2% are Hispanic, and 20.7% are white.

Fatherless Children in the US
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Just because you don't live with your kids does not mean you are "absent". How many posts will it take for you to finally understand the point?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Just because you don't live with your kids does not mean you are "absent". How many posts will it take for you to finally understand the point?
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Yea, I'm sure they are there sunday thru Thursday night assisting in homework.

You reach more than Joe Biden.
 
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allvol123 said:
Yea, I'm sure they are there sunday thru Thursday night assisting in homework.

You reach more than Joe Biden.
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Look, you guys are the ones saying "most" are "absent" and you've asked me to prove they are not absent without even answering my question about how to definite it. I didn't say most are not absent. I asked for a link from KB. Y'all have the burden of proof. That's how this works.

Define absent and back it up, or don't. I don't care.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Look, you guys are the ones saying "most" are "absent" and you've asked me to prove they are not absent without even answering my question about how to definite it. I didn't say most are not absent. I asked for a link from KB. Y'all have the burden of proof. That's how this works.

Define absent and back it up, or don't. I don't care.
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Two thirds are single parent homes. That is absent enough.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Just because you don't live with your kids does not mean you are "absent". How many posts will it take for you to finally understand?
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Good gosh, you are dense 🤦‍♂️ Read the article

“More than one in four fathers in the United States who have children 18 or younger now lives apart from their children, according to Pew.”



“Much of that push has come from the African American community, where black fathers are twice as likely to live separately from their children as white fathers, according to research in 2011 by The Pew Research Center.”

Absent Fathers
 
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landscapingvol said:
Good gosh, you are dense 🤦‍♂️ Read the article

“More than one in four fathers in the United States who have children 18 or younger now lives apart from their children, according to Pew.”



“Much of that push has come from the African American community, where black fathers are twice as likely to live separately from their children as white fathers, according to research in 2011 by The Pew Research Center.”

Absent Fathers
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This is what you are arguing with.

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hog88 said:
My theory on drugs:

Kid gets sees neighborhood big shot with the car and girls and wants to be the that cool guy with the fast cash and all the cool ****. Legalize drugs the fast easy money is gone.
There still will be people making money off illegal drugs even if every drug in the world was legal because they would undercut pharmacies on prices (Which would be high). And gangs making money off of criminal activity would not just disappear

Kid gets popped for a minor drug charge, they can't get any .gov assistance for post HS career training (college or trade) so we need to do away with that idiocy.
Who decides what drug charge is "minor"? What if someone has 15 "minor" drug charges?

Addict gets caught stealing to feed drug habit, instead of prison they should go to rehab. 3 strike rule here before they have a felony hung on them.
Rehab only works with expensive medications and a support network, and it only works with people who WANT to get off drugs

Violent crime none of the above counts. Don't pass go and collect your money, it's straight off to prison.
I agree and i also believe that the majority of serious crime in this country is due to the leniency of the court system where career felons continue to be let out again and again and again
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