Myth #1 Busted

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#301
Vols5150 said:
"Kiffin is a great recruiter......look what he did at USC"

Stole 2 from Urban Meyer, 1 from Nick Saban. Got the number one player in the country. Ended with top 10 class, above the defending national champs.

but when Mississippi State out recruits you, you're just not that good. LK was never a "great recruiter" as was evident today.

wrong

LK owns this class. Congrats LK.

I'm sure he appreciates that.
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See above. Spin it however you want, you were wrong.
 
#302
#302
BigPapaVol said:
So you'll simply change the argument to another unproveable yet unassailable position each time you have another foot crammed down your throat. No thanks.
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How is the fact that we need O linemen and D linemen changing the argument? Was LK successful in recruiting our needs? Does this look good to you?

Kevin Revis OL
JerQuari Schofield OL
Rae Sykes DE
Arthur Jeffery DT

Seriously?
 
#303
#303
Vols5150 said:
You're going to have a really hard time convincing any sane person that success in recruiting has nothing to do with success on the field.......but feel free to keep trying.........LK is going to need your support as long as he is here.
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Seems like he's got one part of the equation down pat.
 
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#306
Vols5150 said:
How is the fact that we need O linemen and D linemen changing the argument? Was LK successful in recruiting our needs? Does this look good to you?

Kevin Revis OL
JerQuari Schofield OL
Rae Sykes DE
Arthur Jeffery DT

Seriously?
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You said he wasn't a good recruiter. I'll bet you $500 dollars Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Les Miles will say differently. I bet the recruits we stole from that trio (5 total) will agree.

Additionally, for 2010 we've already gotten a commitment from a highly rated defensive end and are on the lists of scores of linemen.
 
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Godfatha said:
Gotta be a Georgia poser. No Vol fan would say that.
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Don't be so sure:

Vols5150 said:
A national championship with LK will never, ever happen. The guy can barely put a sentence together, and when he does its all smack. We'll be lucky to get a winning season out of this clown.

For the love of God, can we please hire a real coach!!!!!!
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kptvol said:
Funny how this point is only relevant when things look bad for our head coach.
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I never said recruiting wasn't important. Now you're making stuff up. Let me ask you something though... wouldn't common sense dictate that you WOULD HAVE TO recruit the positions you need? ....we are about 7 deep in RB. BB was a nice grab, no doubt, but it doesn't really address are needs, now does it?

Why didn't he recruit OL & DL? Or could he?
 
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Vols5150 said:
How is the fact that we need O linemen and D linemen changing the argument? Was LK successful in recruiting our needs? Does this look good to you?

Kevin Revis OL
JerQuari Schofield OL
Rae Sykes DE
Arthur Jeffery DT

Seriously?
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That wasn't your previous argument. Previously, it was about recruiting being integral to coaching yadda yadda yadda bullcrap.

It's a waste if time. One could make your exact argument every single year for every team.
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Vols5150 said:
I never said recruiting wasn't important. Now you're making stuff up. Let me ask you something though... wouldn't common sense dictate that you WOULD HAVE TO recruit the positions you need? ....we are about 7 deep in RB. BB was a nice grab, no doubt, but it doesn't really address are needs, now does it?

Why didn't he recruit OL & DL? Or could he?
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again changed argument. You're simply latching on to something already said by someone brighter than yourself.

He didn't recruit OL or Dl because we weren't in on any at the time of his arrival and none of them held out.

If we had put any Olinemen in the NFL this decade, you might have an argument, but until something changes, there isn't much reason for an OL to come here. The DL will come.
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Vols5150 said:
How is the fact that we need O linemen and D linemen changing the argument? ......

Seriously?
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Your attempt at SPIN is laughable and pathetic. I also find it transparent that you are now trying to use another posters concern as your argument for your original post. Just eat your crow and learn to enjoy it because I have a feeling there is a lot more to come.
 
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Vols5150 said:
I never said recruiting wasn't important. Now you're making stuff up. Let me ask you something though... wouldn't common sense dictate that you WOULD HAVE TO recruit the positions you need? ....we are about 7 deep in RB. BB was a nice grab, no doubt, but it doesn't really address are needs, now does it?

Why didn't he recruit OL & DL? Or could he?
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You specifically said a coach needs to be able to recruit. Can't you at least admit that Lane is proficient in this one area?

If he wanted to waste a bunch of time when time was extremely limited he could have. All the quality OL and DL get snatched up early. They are supremely important. Not bringing in quality guys or quality coaches to train them is what brought down our last regime. Programs like UGA, UF, and LSU get those guys locked down early. Look for UT to do the same this season. Lane has proven that when guys don't already have their hearts set he can win the battles against the best in the business.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
That wasn't your previous argument. Previously, it was about recruiting being integral to coaching yadda yadda yadda bullcrap.
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Forgive me. I thought a common factor on whether or not you were able to pull in a successful class was based largely on whether or not you addressed the teams needs.

Doesn't do much good to have a great RB if the O-line can't run block.
 
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Vols5150 said:
"Kiffin is a great recruiter......look what he did at USC"

Since LK was hired, this "falsehood" has been propagated in attempt to help justify his hiring. Now I'm sure that the excuses will be flowing in an attempt to put a smiley face on what happened today, but when Mississippi State out recruits you, you're just not that good. LK was never a "great recruiter" as was evident today. I received alot of grief when I said as much when he was first hired. Unfortunately, there are many more falsehoods about LK's abilities that will evident this spring, and (more importantly) this fall.

Sad day to say the least. And for all that want to bring PF into this, please spare us.........LK owns this class. Congrats LK.
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Wow, you must feel like a genius about now. :crazy:
 
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Vols5150 said:
Forgive me. I thought a common factor on whether or not you were able to pull in a successful class was based largely on whether or not you addressed the teams needs.

Doesn't do much good to have a great RB if the O-line can't run block.
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Forgive us, you focused on garbage like Mississippi State's ranking. I'm guessing you didn't consider this crap until you needed another angle from which to attack our coach's recruiting efforts.
 
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#318
Vols5150 said:
Forgive me. I thought a common factor on whether or not you were able to pull in a successful class was based largely on whether or not you addressed the teams needs.

Doesn't do much good to have a great RB if the O-line can't run block.
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Why didn't to articulate it sooner and why didn't your comments reflect this view. You broadly stated recruiting would be a problem and had your lunch handed to you. Now you've shifted it to support your minority view. That's fine, but arguing that this staff can't go get the recruits needed to win has now been proven a fantasy. You might find a new tack.
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kptvol said:
Forgive us, you focused on garbage like Mississippi State's ranking. I'm guessing you didn't consider this crap until you needed another angle from which to attack our coach's recruiting efforts.
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Forgive me....I didn't know that pulling in one RB turned Kiffen into Neyland.
 
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#320
Vols5150 said:
Forgive me....I didn't know that pulling in one RB turned Kiffen into Neyland.
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You are incredibly dense. What was the title of this thread? You specifically created this thread to "prove" that Lane isn't a good recruiter. Every class he's recruited has been loaded with great players. Just admit you were wrong on this point and you'll stop getting grief. Also, you could learn to spell his name correctly.
 
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#322
Vols5150 said:
Forgive me. I thought a common factor on whether or not you were able to pull in a successful class was based largely on whether or not you addressed the teams needs.

Doesn't do much good to have a great RB if the O-line can't run block.
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Once again that has nothing to do with the original post. The more you respond the more pathetic you look.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Why didn't to articulate it sooner and why didn't your comments reflect this view. You broadly stated recruiting would be a problem and had your lunch handed to you. Now you've shifted it to support your minority view. That's fine, but arguing that this staff can't go get the recruits needed to win has now been proven a fantasy. You might find a new tack.
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I never said the "staff" couldn't recruit. Anyone who follows the SEC knows the job O did at UM, and LT's success with the bammers.

But by the same token....I haven't heard you praising LK as an awesome recruiter until today. Has everything changed in one day? What happens when LK tanks this year and he is seen for what he is?
 
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