My conversation with a VFL

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GAVol said:
I'm one of the 3 Tennessee fans that just isn't that bothered by Kiffin. Everywhere he goes, players seem to like the guy. I think we were just the victim of circumstance in that whole deal.
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lol. Except for the player that punched him in the eye at USC or the other that threatened to sue him?

He was fired at USC for losing the team. Those guys did not love him at all. Alabama lost its top qb commit immediately after he was hired.

It's fine you have a crush on him and I know being contrary is entertaining and gives a reason for 80k posts but saying players love him simply isn't true. Ask Josh McNeil or Matt Barkley.
 
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ochocinco said:
lol. Except for the player that punched him in the eye at USC or the other that threatened to sue him?

He was fired at USC for losing the team. Those guys did not love him at all. Alabama lost its top qb commit immediately after he was hired.

It's fine you have a crush on him and I know being contrary is entertaining and gives a reason for 80k posts but saying players love him simply isn't true. Ask Josh McNeil or Matt Barkley.
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I can't speak for GA, but for myself, not being bothered by Kiffin is hardly having a crush on the man.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I can't speak for GA, but for myself, not being bothered by Kiffin is hardly having a crush on the man.
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When you choose to believe second hand positive reports by anonymous former players instead of accepting the negative public accounts told to the media by his former players, team captains even....That's amore!
 
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ochocinco said:
When you choose to believe second hand positive reports by anonymous former players instead of accepting the negative public accounts told to the media by his former players, team captains even....That's amore!
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I'm sorry that I am just not as obsessed with the man as others. Call it whatever you like.
 
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Nocleats said:
In fairness to Hamilton, No one thought Pete was going to leave USC anytime soon. As for the Dooley Hire, Im not sure at that point Hamilton could have gotten anybody, coaches ran and the timing was awful. The coaches were in full recruiting mode at that point. Tennessee had a black eye so to speak, and the rumors of Tenns tougher than their competitions admissions requirements were in full swing.

That said Hamiltons focus became more spiritual than professional and his heart wasn't 100% committed to UT. Not that serving his God was wrong, it just is what it was.
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People bash Hamilton as if he is some type of jerk and piece of crap. The man has a great heart and I personally think all the mission work he is doing now is greater than him being an athletic director or any other job for that matter. Yeah, he made some bonehead decisions but come on people, get over it. Sports isn't everything.
 
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I remember there was one player (don't remember who) that stated all Kiffin would talk about in meetings and stuff was how he wanted to turn UT into the USC of the east. He would always show film of Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart and the players here didn't really care for that. Seemed his heart was never here....but his oversized shirts and sunglasses were
 
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crusse10 said:
I don't mind this. If I was a parent of those students, I'd be glad. Them not going to class gave them a couple extra days to determine if they still wanted to attend or if his leaving changed things. Students and parents in that situation probably don't know all the rules, so informing them of what course of action they need to take when the clock is ticking is in the players and parents' best interests.
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Ridiculous. Those coaches were paid 6 and 7 figure salaries to build a football team for the university. The university had honored those scholarships and invested in those players. Just because the coaches decided to hop a train in the middle of the night gave them no right to try and kick the university in the balls in their way out.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm one of the 3 Tennessee fans that just isn't that bothered by Kiffin. Everywhere he goes, players seem to like the guy. I think we were just the victim of circumstance in that whole deal.
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Question. Is this how you felt the night he jumped ship for USC? Like no big deal, just circumstances?
 
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GAVol said:
I'm one of the 3 Tennessee fans that just isn't that bothered by Kiffin. Everywhere he goes, players seem to like the guy. I think we were just the victim of circumstance in that whole deal.
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People can't separate the business side of the sports world from homerism.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Question. Is this how you felt the night he jumped ship for USC? Like no big deal, just circumstances?
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Can't speak for GA but thats how I was. Got text from girl, checked phone, went back to sleep.

The fact people got upset and/or are still upset about Kiffin boggles my mind.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Ridiculous. Those coaches were paid 6 and 7 figure salaries to build a football team for the university. The university had honored those scholarships and invested in those players. Just because the coaches decided to hop a train in the middle of the night gave them no right to try and kick the university in the balls in their way out.
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You must understand that a portion of the fanbase just wanted Fulmer gone and will now lionize Kiffin because he was the first one after Fulmer. This is an attempt to justify what can be called - with six years of hindsight - stupidity.

If Hambone had hired Howard the Duck in 2008, crusse10 et al would now place him on a pedestal with the General.

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Kiffin's #1 problem was (probably still is) an astounding lack of shared values. Kiffin's own apparent values -- sarcasm, irreverence, expediency, selfishness, and opportunism -- are not replicated in too many other people's value systems.

But he can still be popular with those values. A 20-year old kid who loves football but hates studying is going to adore an authority figure who says, "hey, you're here to find your way to the pros, not for a degree -- do the minimum to stay eligible, and not one bit more" ... even if the coach is proving by his words that he doesn't care about the player, only himself and finding expedient ways to win. Sarcasm and irreverence, wittily delivered, are entertaining -- 20 year old players won't often recognize that cheap wit frequently covers a lack of deeper insight and a serious lack of interest/investment.

So sure, I'm not surprised Kiffin was popular with some of the players. He was the #1 authority figure in their lives at the time, telling them things they wanted to hear, opening the door to the candy store for them. They didn't have the perspective to see long-term implications.

But many of us did, starting with his ill-considered comments about Florida recruiting, early in his brief tenure and culminating with the manner of his leaving. You can't hide a lack of values, not for long. What you believe in, what you value, becomes evident over time, for people who are paying attention.

So it makes me wonder why anyone who loves the Vols and our players and our school would not mind Kiffin and what he did to the program's tradition, pride, and values. Who would not mind treating young co-eds as if they were only one step removed from escort service girls. Who would not mind wrongly accusing other programs of cheating while actively trying to get as close to the line as possible himself. Who would not mind a me-first mentality that would leave so many other people high and dry because "a dream opportunity" opened up for the individual.

I honestly don't get that perspective.

Trying to put it behind you, wishing it never happened, attempting to forget it? Okay, I get that, it's a coping mechanism. But trying to forget it is different from saying you don't mind that it happened, it was just a thing.

That, I don't get.
 
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WillisWG said:
True but I can't help but dislike the guy. He could have turned the program around with 2 recruiting classes but he chose to crap on us. That he got canned at SC brings a smile. Nothing would bring me more joy than for Butch to beat Bama so bad that LK gets canned again.
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Like he did with USC. Right....
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
You must understand that a portion of the fanbase just wanted Fulmer gone and will now lionize Kiffin because he was the first one after Fulmer. This is an attempt to justify what can be called - with six years of hindsight - stupidity.

If Hambone had hired Howard the Duck in 2008, crusse10 et al would now place him on a pedestal with the General.

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This post is wrong on a multitude of levels.
 
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Bottom line is Kiffin = excellent coordinator and terrible head coach because he could not manage his staff
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Can't speak for GA but thats how I was. Got text from girl, checked phone, went back to sleep.

The fact people got upset and/or are still upset about Kiffin boggles my mind.
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So...do you find that you also have difficulty grasping other simple concepts? Or is it just this one that has you so flummoxed?
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
People bash Hamilton as if he is some type of jerk and piece of crap. The man has a great heart and I personally think all the mission work he is doing now is greater than him being an athletic director or any other job for that matter. Yeah, he made some bonehead decisions but come on people, get over it. Sports isn't everything.
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Good for him. Put him up for sainthood for all of his great works if you like. All I know is he played a huge role in making the mess that we have been mired in for years and that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Question. Is this how you felt the night he jumped ship for USC? Like no big deal, just circumstances?
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Once again, I'm not GA, but of course I was pissed that night. You know what? I was pissed off when my girlfriend broke up with me back in high school, too.

I got over it.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Good for him. Put him up for sainthood for all of his great works if you like. All I know is he played a huge role in making the mess that we have been mired in for years and that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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Agree.

About a year or so ago he was a guest speaker at some function at my church. My wife asked if I was going. No way in heck was I going to see the guy that single handily ran our fb and to some extent our bb program into the toilet. I admire him for his faith and dedication but not as the leader of our athletic dept.
 
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