My Broken Record: If Your QB Can't Run, You Can't Compete Now

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#51
The guy at QB for Bama, you know the one with the 2020 NC ring, looked like somebody's grandma evey time he ran the ball. Not particularly quick rather gonky and slides like grandma rather than a ball player disproves your point. Today's QB's just have to be mobile enough to pick up a first down every now again when the defense has their backs to him, but a gifted runner being a requirement? No. It doesn't hurt but the NC game featured a rather gifted QB runner vs the gonky guy that looked like Pumpkinhead running down the field. Pumpkinhead won.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
[Unless you're Alabama. Even then, Saban's QBs run well enough. Some very well. We're not Alabama.]

A QB without wheels gives the D an extra man. JG was sold as a Dual QB. He was not. Wouldn't have taken a snap if he'd chosen Ohio State over UT. 5.2-40 speed, tops.

Yes, Manning was pretty flat-footed. But he's the GOAT. Tee won the NC with his wheels. Josh Dobbs beat Florida - even caught a 58-yard screen pass for a TD v. the Gators.

The excuse for recruiting Pro-style QBs was that the Pro-style offense brings in the best (i.e., NFL-bound) supporting cast on offense. That excuse is no longer valid. All these guys run well and (except Rodgers) started as NFL Rookies:

Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
Baker Mayfield
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
Tua
Mahomes
Russel Wilson
Cam
Jalen Hurts
Trubisky
Daniel Jones (Giants)
Deshaun Watson
Justin Herbert
Marcus Mariota
Robert Griffin III

Lawrence and Fields run extremely well. They'll be drafted 1 and 2.

I've lobbied to hire [Paul Johnson] and run the Wishbone. Well, perhaps that's overkill to prove the point. Although that would lock in 8 wins IMHO. Texas high schools produce >100 4.5-40 wishbone QBs every year. We could have our pick of the average passers if running the Wishbone was our platform. But I digress.

Kaidon Salter could be the guy. Elite-11 passer. Not 4.5 speed but thoroughbred athlete, throws well on the run and is particularly effective in off-schedule situations. Here's hoping he is the template we follow from now on. It's 2021 and well past time.

Coda: Harrison Bailey was thrust into a difficult situation. Lots of upside. Pulling for him.
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Mac Jones Alabama explain that
 
#53
#53
You don't necessarily need a running QB, but it obviously helps to have some mobility. It's more important to have an Oline and RBs that can give the QB time to go through his progressions and WRs that can create separation.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
Ok Dude, Here goes! This could be the dumbest thing I have ever read on here and that says a lot. the fact that you even talk about that offense tells everyone how little you truly understand about how offenses operate. The wishbone had its day and is over. The backside defensive players are simply too fast to leave them unblocked like it requires. They are usually as fast as the RB's and will chase them down from behind....but I digress......

What you are saying is that EVERY single offensive mind in the country knows nothing and should listen to you, a poster on Volnation! If that was a good idea do you not think at least one of the top teams would be doing it? How good does Army compete? How does GT compete? Do you see them in the hunt for a natty each year? NOPE

Put the ego and your glory days to bed and move on from that old school crap.........I know the game has!
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I agree with OP. Even Manning couldn't beat Florida. Tee takes over the next year, and wins it all. Obviously, Manning was taylor made for the NFL, but I would take Tee Martin over him in college (by a razor thin margin).
 
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i2amavol said:
I agree with OP. Even Manning couldn't beat Florida. Tee takes over the next year, and wins it all. Obviously, Manning was taylor made for the NFL, but I would take Tee Martin over him in college (by a razor thin margin).
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Tee won with DEFENSE, not him running. Give Peyton the 17th best defense and I believe he beats Florida every year.

1997 (TN under Peyton)
* 4th in total offense; 14th in scoring offense
* 32nd in total defense; 32nd in scoring defense

1998 (TN under Tee)
* 32nd in total offense; 17th in scoring
* 17th in total defense; 9th in scoring defense
 
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piratelifeforme said:
Tee won with DEFENSE, not him running. Give Peyton the 17th best defense and I believe he beats Florida every year.

1997 (TN under Peyton)
* 4th in total offense; 14th in scoring offense
* 32nd in total defense; 32nd in scoring defense

1998 (TN under Tee)
* 32nd in total offense; 17th in scoring
* 17th in total defense; 9th in scoring defense
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Well, they were just one year apart. So, I don't know how much different the 2 defenses could have been. They didn't run up and down the field as much with Tee, but the scoring was similar. I personally just like someone in the 4th quarter, and critical situations, who can get you that critical 1st down with his legs when everything else breaks down. That is exactly what Tee did on a regular basis. It can make the difference in a game.

Good research, by the way; and don't think I don't like Peyton, because I do. He did a lot to put us on the national stage.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Top OL protecting the QB, Solid RBs that don't go down when touched, Fast athletic WRs that out run and jump defenders.
When you have what Bama has. You just need a QB that has an arm and can read the D. No real need for the QB to be mobile
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Agree. However, a little history. Bear Bryant once said: "I'll never have another QB that can't run." ( I can't remember who he was referring to)
 
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#60
Bama still has a beast at RB, your QB preferably needs to have some mobility and feel for the rush. I have seen fast qb have no feel. And at the end of the day the qb needs to be able to make throws, many fast qb's that can't pass good enough. Look at Lamar Jackson great athlete but limited passer. And defense is still very important, you notice them playoff games this weekend. The defenses were really after the qb's. To go all the way you have to have a good defense and offense. 22-17 and 30-20 yesterday, them are my kind of games with good defenses and good offenses but the offenses earned their points the good old hard way.The game of football is a cycle, defenses aren't going to go quietly in the night forever.GBO!
 
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Hawkeye4588 said:
I have been saying this for over 20 years. There is a reason we won a national championship with Tee and not Peyton. The traditional pocket packer can still work in the NFL but college is a different animal altogether.

Only counterpoint is you can't have just a rushing QB as we saw with Dobbs. I loved Dobbs but he was a one trick pony the opposite way. Ideally, if you had a guy with Dobbs legs who had just average accuracy you could run the table.
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Dobbs was a true threat to 1 play TD every time he touched the football
 
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J C Higgins said:
Agree. However, a little history. Bear Bryant once said: "I'll never have another QB that can't run." ( I can't remember who he was referring to)
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A lot of teams will benefit from a QB that can run to extend plays, if they have a good arm that's one more person that the D has to account for.
Look at the Titans. Defense sells out so much on Henry at the goalline or 3rd and short. Tanny just trots on in for the TD or 1st down
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think you have to be a legit "dual threat" but I also think it's clear you can't be a statue anymore. John Elway's 5.5 40 time probably doesn't work unless you have elite talent around you or you a just that accurate.

I think you need at least a Tanneyhill level athleticism. I don't consider him a true dual threat but he can run when needed and he's good enough that the defense can't ignore it.

It is funny though, we've been hearing this for like 25 years now but I do think we finally are getting to the point that more QBs are more "dual threat" than aren't.
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Where did you see Elway at a 5.5. He was an elite 2 sport athlete.
 
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