More proof Dooley is not a good HC

#26
#26
Should not have burned that timeout, but I do see why he called it. I saw the ref wind his hand to signal he's in bounds. Then a couple seconds later, the ref signaled that he was out of bounds. If he was signaled in then we needed the timeout.
 
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Neyland2nd2none said:
When asked about his decision to burn his last timeout and if he thought Shaw was out of bounds he had this to say...

"Well I thought he was out of bounds but he wound it (the clock) so I don't have time to argue."

What?!? Kidding me, right?

If Dooley thought he was out of bounds why in the hell did he not challenge the call? He has the right to request a review of a play each half as long as he calls a timeout to do so. Since he called timeout and said he thought he was out of bounds why did he not challenge it?

Here is a guy who many think is coaching in a game that will decide his future at UT. We're down by three late with precious seconds ticking off the clock and it never crosses his mind to challenge the call that even he admitted thought was wrong.

Wow, really? If anyone else still thinks Dooley deserves another year I'm not sure what more proof you need to realize he's way in over his head here. This is Tennessee and poor game management like this is absolutely unacceptable.

I'm not saying that the outcome would've been different but it dang sure wouldn't have hurt to have that extra 40 seconds and that timeout. Instead our coach just shrugs his shoulders and says he didn't have time to argue.

Thanks for all your hard work trying to get this program back to where it belongs, Derek, but it's time you start packing your bags.

Edit- here's the link in case anyone is interested (4:10 mark)

Vols Coach Derek Dooley Post-South Carolina (10/27/12) - YouTube
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We didn't lose 40 seconds just a timeout. It had to be a quick call. Yes he could have challenged but I am still not sure there was enough evidence to overturn. Did not lose us the game.
 
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ATLVols said:
Should not have burned that timeout, but I do see why he called it. I saw the ref wind his hand to signal he's in bounds. Then a couple seconds later, the ref signaled that he was out of bounds. If he was signaled in then we needed the timeout.
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Actually official signaled in bounds and then I think he stopped clock because Dooley was right there calling TO. Only reason time was stopped was for TO. And we DID NOT lose 40 seconds.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Every play gets reviewed in the booth
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You sure about that? Shaw's knee hit a full yard short of the first down on 4th and 1 in the first half and should have been reviewed but wasn't. Dooley didn't challenge and the refs said nothing. A review would have clearly showed his knee down at the 10 1/2 but ball was marked on the 9. Instead of us getting the ball on downs USC scored a td two playes later. Maybe your right but if true it's pretty inconsistent. I guess the refs got every call right today then.
 
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GLDunlap said:
You sure about that? Shaw's knee hit a full yard short of the first down on 4th and 1 in the first half and should have been reviewed but wasn't. Dooley didn't challenge and the refs said nothing. A review would have clearly showed his knee down at the 10 1/2 but ball was marked on the 9. Instead of us getting the ball on downs USC scored a td two playes later. Maybe your right but if true it's pretty inconsistent. I guess the refs got every call right today then.
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That's what they say, but it did appear that the replay official may have been taking a nap or two today
 
#31
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it was clearly a screw up even the announcers were questioning why dooley took a timeout, but the game was lost when the line broke down and they got to bray and caused the fumble. it didnt help that our punter was booming 16 yard punts the first half and our d gave up 30+ points again. its safe to say the whole team earned this loss. just like all season, when the team is playing good poor play calling screws us and when play calling isnt an issue something else goes wrong. until someone starts chewing players out for not executing its not gonna change much. i just hope we beat vandy and kentucky at this point.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
That's what they say, but it did appear that the replay official may have been taking a nap or two today
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Yeah I readily admit I don't know how the reviews work other then a coach asking for one with a timeout. I watched some of the UF/UGA game and saw two reviews in five minutes but never saw a coach actually ask for one. No timeouts were charged so I'm a little confused.

I know I have seen officials not call obvious grouding then huddle up talk it out then throw the flag. Today when Dooley got on the official for not calling grounding the official never even considered it and certainly never ask another zebra what they saw. I know he is an easy target but Dooley obviously doesn't carry any weight with the officials. The sideline interference call was the biggest bs I've ever seen. Watched it over and over and saw nothing. Muschamp spent half the game on the field and on at least two plays officials had to dodge him to run down the sideline.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Every play gets reviewed in the booth
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That play needed to be challenged. The line judge was right there an blew the call. Dooley would have won the challenge. It probably wouldn't have changed the outcome, but you have to do what IS in your power as hc, cause the things that aren't are bad enough.
 
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windyvol said:
Can't challenge under two minutes. Booth only. Great rant though.
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I could be wrong but I think that's an NFL rule that doesn't extend to college. I've been reading up on all these rules tonight because of so many inconsistencies. I read the college rules through and through and saw nothing on this. Still I could have missed it but I don't think so.
 
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Insunseri said:
That play needed to be challenged. The line judge was right there an blew the call. Dooley would have won the challenge. It probably wouldn't have changed the outcome, but you have to do what IS in your power as hc, cause the things that aren't are bad enough.
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Carl Pickens is right every play can be reviewed by the booth. They may choose not to or may not see any reason to but in this case they should have. Given they didn't Dooley should have challenged. Every coaching staff upstairs has a monitor to watch replays and they should be the ones deciding if a challenge is in order. Refs on the field can't ask for a review unless a coach challenges. There were several plays today that I thought they would review but didn't. Of course they took a look at Zachs touchdown but other then that they were snoozing. I don't agree that the timeout didn't matter. It could have since we only needed a fg to tie. Maybe we throw a couple of short sideline passes instead of going straight into hail mary mode. Getting it right is what mattered not whether it made a difference. It likely made no difference but we can't say that with 100% certainty. It is however another example of the small details falling through the cracks.
 
#38
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38 points is what beat us.thought they called a good game on off. for the most part.the drive that bray got stripped of the ball.we were taking time off the clock and moving the ball.if not for the fumble,we would have scored and left them with no time on the clock.
 
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Neyland2nd2none said:
First of all, he did the right thing by calling the timeout to stop the clock but then he screwed up by not requesting a review after the timeout.

And where did I say he should've argued instead of calling a timeout???

Also no matter what down it was we did lose 40 seconds because the clock would've stopped since he ran out of bounds.
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No--dipstick--we didn't lose any extra time because he called the TO. That's why he called it without arguing with teh ref...
 
#41
#41
refs cost us this game......stop blaming dooley, he put us in place to win THIS game......

Refs cost us 7 points.....with 2 bs calls in a row

We lost by 3 points..........do the math

Im not saying Dooley shouldnt be fired(He Should)......Im just saying Dooley coached a good game today.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It didn't impact the outcome man.....let it go.
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Yes it did. With no timeouts at all, and on the 15-20yd line, we had to blindly chuck the ball downfield...thus the INT. With a timeout left, you have at least one more attempt to get in field goal range. We only needed to get to their 35, to have a decent shot.

Nevertheless, the OP is pointing out how bad of a manager Dooley is with time...over and over again. He let us burn nearly a minute before halftime against Bama, when we had a golden opportunity to at least get in field goal range. Left our timeouts unused. Dooley needs to go...period.
 
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