Gun control debate (merged)

#11,951
#11,951
luthervol said:
Displaying pornography in public view.
Terroristic threats on social media.
Polygamy
Publishing classified material
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I'm not sure if this is a serious attempt or if you're simply having some fun.

Pornography was (is) displayed in public. X-rated movie houses, for example. I think you're thinking of porn at McDonalds or the local park. And yes, that is restricted, because it would bring harm to children at those venues.
Terrorist threats, when taken seriously, bring harm or violate the rights and freedoms of those who are threatened. In like manner, I am restricted from making threats with a gun.
Polygamy, again, brings harm especially when it is underage girls. Think of Warren Jeffs. Compare that to polygamy of consenting adults like with Sister Wives, for instance. Polygamy of consenting adults shouldn't be restricted as it violates the constitutional rights of polygamers.
Publishing classified material first of all isn't my speech. It is someone else's speech. Secondly, it could potentially bring harm depending on the classified material published.

I hope this helps you.
 
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It’s all about the media being able to create a narrative and have enough people buy into that narrative. Hence the reason for the wall to wall coverage of a mass shooting. Lots of folks need to turn off the tv and put down their phone.
 
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joevol33 said:
You didn't address the part of you exaggerating the numbers. Guns aren't the killer you make them out to be. In fact, they're about as guilty as the car a drunk driver uses.
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I actually understated the numbers, just for this potentiality.
About 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents.[15]
"Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence". BBC News. 5 January 2016.
I said hundreds of thousands when I could have rightfully said millions.
 
#11,954
#11,954
luthervol said:
Right, but if Bubba couldn't walk in and buy 5 guns, his illegal activities would immediately become more challenging.
If he could only buy two, only two guns would make it into the hands of criminals that day. See, 3 less guns.
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Except bubba isn’t the reason criminals are getting guns genius. You simply aren’t educated enough about the issue to make an informed decision. You are operating out of logical fallacies and emotion than any real response.
 
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NEOCON said:
It’s meaningless until you are in a gun free zone getting shot at. Then you are gonna hope someone around you has a gun too.
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What???
I asked if you thought murder should be illegal or not, given the fact that we all know there will continue to be murders either way.
 
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#11,956
joevol33 said:
The die hard liberals don't care about the deaths. Heck, they were disappointed tge iran missles didn't kill anybody. A few were giddy when it finally came out there were "casualties", even though it was just concussion protocols, so they could blame trump. They only cry about the guns so they can keep a narrative to disarm the citizens. Do that, and we're unable to fight back against them, or the enemy that may cone here.
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Gun control is never about deaths or safety, it's about control and power. Always has been always will be. Our founding fathers placed the second amendment in there to protect us from people like Luther and his ilk.
 
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luthervol said:
I actually understated the numbers, just for this potentiality.
About 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents.[15]
"Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence". BBC News. 5 January 2016.
I said hundreds of thousands when I could have rightfully said millions.
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Here's a thought, wht doesn't the gun grabber ever go after the criminal? If you guts sincerely want to save lives, the Democratic led cities of Chicago, and such, could easily go to the gang bangers and demand they turn theirs in. Heck, Atlanta is catching up quickly, every day someone killed or shot, mostly killed. Why doesn't the Democratic leaders send the police into the streets? Instead, they demand more restrictions on people like me, knowing the criminals won't be touched by any law. Why?
 
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joevol33 said:
Here's a thought, wht doesn't the gun grabber ever go after the criminal? If you guts sincerely want to save lives, the Democratic led cities of Chicago, and such, could easily go to the gang bangers and demand they turn theirs in. Heck, Atlanta is catching up quickly, every day someone killed or shot, mostly killed. Why doesn't the Democratic leaders send the police into the streets? Instead, they demand more restrictions on people like me, knowing the criminals won't be touched by any law. Why?
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Cause they vote Democrat. They want them to pass gun control, that way they're the only ones that have them. The democrats will stoop as low as required for a vote.
 
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McDad said:
I'm not sure if this is a serious attempt or if you're simply having some fun.

Pornography was (is) displayed in public. X-rated movie houses, for example. I think you're thinking of porn at McDonalds or the local park. And yes, that is restricted, because it would bring harm to children at those venues.
Terrorist threats, when taken seriously, bring harm or violate the rights and freedoms of those who are threatened. In like manner, I am restricted from making threats with a gun.
Polygamy, again, brings harm especially when it is underage girls. Think of Warren Jeffs. Compare that to polygamy of consenting adults like with Sister Wives, for instance. Polygamy of consenting adults shouldn't be restricted as it violates the constitutional rights of polygamers.
Publishing classified material first of all isn't my speech. It is someone else's speech. Secondly, it could potentially bring harm depending on the classified material published.

I hope this helps you.
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It didn't really help in the least.
x-rated movie houses are not public displays. Who is to say that a public display of porn at McDonald's harms children? I know.
If someone takes a terrorisitic threat seriously, isn't that sort of their problem? Not every terroristic threat is an actual threat. Some may view a visible weapon as a greater threat than some random social media post.
Polygamy between adults harms no one yet is a federal crime and illegal in all 50 states.
Publishing classified information was given as a legal restriction on the press. (Could potentially bring harm?) Moving the goal post are we?

You asked for examples, I gave you examples.
I hope this helps you more than your post helped me.
 
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luthervol said:
What???
I asked if you thought murder should be illegal or not, given the fact that we all know there will continue to be murders either way.
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And you totally dodged the whole gun free zone part.

Of course murder should be illegal? Must you dumb every conversation down to the lowest level? Are you seriously going to make me waste my time and actually type out I think murder is bad?

Damn engaging with you is a total waste of time.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Except bubba isn’t the reason criminals are getting guns genius. You simply aren’t educated enough about the issue to make an informed decision. You are operating out of logical fallacies and emotion than any real response.
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I asked someone earlier (maybe it was you) to give the breakdown of the origins of guns involved in the commission of a crime.
Hint - the vast majority were purchased "legally".
Now how is it that so many "legally" purchased guns find their ways into the hands of criminals?
 
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NEOCON said:
And you totally dodged the whole gun free zone part.

Of course murder should be illegal? Must you dumb every conversation down to the lowest level? Are you seriously going to make me waste my time and actually type out I think murder is bad?

Damn engaging with you is a total waste of time.
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LOL.....
Who was the moron on hear that said "yet people still commit murder". Like that has any relevance.
That's why I said it is such a stupid argument.
I don't recall being asked a question about gun free zones.
 
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joevol33 said:
Here's a thought, wht doesn't the gun grabber ever go after the criminal? If you guts sincerely want to save lives, the Democratic led cities of Chicago, and such, could easily go to the gang bangers and demand they turn theirs in. Heck, Atlanta is catching up quickly, every day someone killed or shot, mostly killed. Why doesn't the Democratic leaders send the police into the streets? Instead, they demand more restrictions on people like me, knowing the criminals won't be touched by any law. Why?
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I just disagree with your whole premise.
 
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#11,964
luthervol said:
LOL.....
Who was the moron on hear that said "yet people still commit murder". Like that has any relevance.
That's why I said it is such a stupid argument.
I don't recall being asked a question about gun free zones.
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I swear you must be one of those hooked on phonics kids.
 
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#11,967
luthervol said:
I asked someone earlier (maybe it was you) to give the breakdown of the origins of guns involved in the commission of a crime.
Hint - the vast majority were purchased "legally".
Now how is it that so many "legally" purchased guns find their ways into the hands of criminals?
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They aren’t legally purchased. They are usually either stolen or brought in from other countries via gangs.
 
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joevol33 said:
So you have no problem with criminals having guns, just conservatives?
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I think you missed the whole point. I'm for measures that reduce the number of guns making into the hands of criminals while still insuring that law abiding citizens can keep and bear arms.
 
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#11,969
luthervol said:
I think you missed the whole point. I'm for measures that reduce the number of guns making into the hands of criminals while still insuring that law abiding citizens can keep and bear arms.
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Then why not go disarm the criminals? Just literally saw on the news another shooting in Atlanta. The mayor knows the areas this stuff happens constantly in, so why not go take the guns from those guys on the streets shooting people? They either want it to stop, or they don't, period. They know where it happens, and sit by and do nothing, until they can say white/Christian/Republican, then it's "more laws", gotta do something! They do not care that the citizens of their city are killing others with guns, they only care for ways to try and limit those of us who don't commit crimes.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They aren’t legally purchased. They are usually either stolen or brought in from other countries via gangs.
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According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft, and 28% had acquired it through an illegal market such as a drug dealer or fence
 
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