Gun control debate (merged)

[InVOLuntary]

The goal for the liberal left has been and always been total disarmament. They can't force their liberal agenda with an armed populace. They do this under the guise of a safer society. Even though the use of "assault" weapons they is statistically irrelevant they chose it because of the ignorance of the public due to the liberal controlled main stream media constantly advancing the liberal agenda.

They want to take the AR that's it. Then someone will shoot someone with a semi auto pistol and then they'll be next on the agenda. Then someone will shoot someone with a revolver and that'll be the next one to go. Before they're done it will be muskets.

They're agenda is to force socialism by any means. That makes them communist. They're the scourge of human race.

Problem is there are many decent Democrats don't realize it. They're so bought in and stubborn they're willing to accept it.

 

[luthervol]

I wonder if a nuclear warhead or a vial of typhoid is considered an arm? Interesting to consider.

Society does not determine constitutional rights. The rights do not come from society therefore society cannot restrict. You are confusing tolerance of a violated right with acceptance.

They certainly should be....how else are we going to defend ourselves against the evil empire.
Maybe a gun that shoots bullets that explode and disperse typhoid can be invented. I know it would look great over my mantle.
Society does. The Constitution came directly from society. The framers were appointed by society, the Constitution had to ratified by society, and society can amend the constitution.

 

[luthervol]

Your speak is not limited.

Sure it is.

 

[McDad]

They certainly should be....how else are we going to defend ourselves against the evil empire.
Maybe a gun that shoots bullets that explode and disperse typhoid can be invented. I know it would look great over my mantle.
Society does. The Constitution came directly from society. The framers were appointed by society, the Constitution had to ratified by society, and society can amend the constitution.

The Constitution guarantees our rights, it doesn't generate our rights. C'mon Luther. I know you're passionate about this topic but you can do better.

 

[Rickyvol77]

They certainly should be....how else are we going to defend ourselves against the evil empire.
Maybe a gun that shoots bullets that explode and disperse typhoid can be invented. I know it would look great over my mantle.
Society does. The Constitution came directly from society. The framers were appointed by society, the Constitution had to ratified by society, and society can amend the constitution.

The right of defense is a God given right. Your irrational fear of firearms doesn’t trump that
And again me walking around armed and buying 5 guns at once puts no additional risk to you or anyone else in society

 

[luthervol]

Have the limitations of those rights you reference occurred without (in the absence of) the infringement or exercise of rights of others?

Ex: a worship service which practices human sacrifice.

Still don't understand your question.
Just assume whichever answer advances my position.

 

[luthervol]

The goal for the liberal left has been and always been total disarmament. They can't force their liberal agenda with an armed populace. They do this under the guise of a safer society. Even though the use of "assault" weapons they is statistically irrelevant they chose it because of the ignorance of the public due to the liberal controlled main stream media constantly advancing the liberal agenda.

They want to take the AR that's it. Then someone will shoot someone with a semi auto pistol and then they'll be next on the agenda. Then someone will shoot someone with a revolver and that'll be the next one to go. Before they're done it will be muskets.

They're agenda is to force socialism by any means. That makes them communist. They're the scourge of human race.

Problem is there are many decent Democrats don't realize it. They're so bought in and stubborn they're willing to accept it.

Your first statement (which is all I could stomach) sounds like this. "The goal of the radical right is the elimination of all but the white race."

 

[0nelilreb]

They certainly should be....how else are we going to defend ourselves against the evil empire.
Maybe a gun that shoots bullets that explode and disperse typhoid can be invented. I know it would look great over my mantle.
Society does. The Constitution came directly from society. The framers were appointed by society, the Constitution had to ratified by society, and society can amend the constitution.

All you have to do is get enough of that society together and change the amendment for it to say what you think it says . Simple fix .

 

[InVOLuntary]

Your first statement (which is all I could stomach) sounds like this. "The goal of the radical right is the elimination of all but the white race."

That's your go to? Haha. Same fear mongering that your left wing communist are seeding. Praying on the weak minded. I see you bit hook, line, and sinker.

 

[McDad]

Still don't understand your question.
Just assume whichever answer advances my position.

I surmise you understand all too well. If you're claiming press, worship, and speech are limited, much as 2A should be, AND you cannot find an instance of limitation in speech, press, or worship without speech, press, or worship violating the inherent rights of citizens prior to the limitation, then your case for consistency (infringement on 2A) falls apart.

 

[luthervol]

All you have to do is get enough of that society together and change the amendment for it to say what you think it says . Simple fix .

Or it can be interpreted that way. That may be the more expedient route.

 

[luthervol]

That's your go to? Haha. Same fear mongering that your left wing communist are seeding. Praying on the weak minded. I see you bit hook, line, and sinker.

My fear mongering pales in comparison to yours. You have it mastered.

 

[0nelilreb]

Or it can be interpreted that way. That may be the more expedient route.

This is where your problem is , you want change but you can’t get enough of that society together to make it happen . The 2a proponents already have the right given to them so we are defending from the high ground .

 

[InVOLuntary]

My fear mongering pales in comparison to yours. You have it mastered.

That's why I'm trying to take your rights away. Try again comrade.

 

[Rickyvol77]

My fear mongering pales in comparison to yours. You have it mastered.

Irrational fear of an inanimate object is what you have. You still refuse to answer the basic question? How is me being armed in public or buying 5 guns at once put you or anyone else at risk

 

[NurseGoodVol]

1. Change it from McDonald's to the public library, park, or court house.
2. I would love to assume the question is rhetorical but I'm afraid you might be at least a little serious.
Ummmmm, let me see, because the risk to others is deemed to far exceed the right of the individual.
3. Adults are not allowed to enter public schools visibly armed with knives and or guns.
Again, society in its wisdom, has deemed the rights of the one to be greatly outweighed by the risk to the many.

If you think "society" has wisdom that is an unsettling starting point.

 

[hog88]

Sure it is.

How?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Irrational fear of an inanimate object is what you have. You still refuse to answer the basic question? How is me being armed in public or buying 5 guns at once put you or anyone else at risk

It's not.

 

[luthervol]

I surmise you understand all too well. If you're claiming press, worship, and speech are limited, much as 2A should be, AND you cannot find an instance of limitation in speech, press, or worship without speech, press, or worship violating the inherent rights of citizens prior to the limitation, then your case for consistency (infringement on 2A) falls apart.

Displaying pornography in public view.
Terroristic threats on social media.
Polygamy
Publishing classified material

 

[luthervol]

This is where your problem is , you want change but you can’t get enough of that society together to make it happen . The 2a proponents already have the right given to them so we are defending from the high ground .

Obviously society will continue to struggle with this issue. I will be disappointed with what I consider to be the blind lunacy of the gun culture and you will be disappointed with the gun grabbers whom you consider to be naive and unconcerned with those ever so precious individual rights..

 

[luthervol]

Irrational fear of an inanimate object is what you have. You still refuse to answer the basic question? How is me being armed in public or buying 5 guns at once put you or anyone else at risk

I don't know that it does. There's my answer.
I didn't answer the question because I didn't really see the relevance.

 

[luthervol]

If you think "society" has wisdom that is an unsettling starting point.

It may be unsettling, but there is no other starting point.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I don't know that it does. There's my answer.
I didn't answer the question because I didn't really see the relevance.

Well you are proposing laws that you yourself can’t even define as a need for them or that they will have any effect on anything

 

[NEO]

Or it can be interpreted that way. That may be the more expedient route.

This country was formed by a bunch of rich land owners who were sick of paying high taxes to a worthless government. These same founders took their guns and started killing members of that country (England) until that country eventually gave up and gave these new founders their country that you now live in.

I don’t think you quite get why they allowed the second amendment. The right to bear arms was solely to protect the citizens from a stupid overbearing government in case it ever happened.

Our founders make Dirty Harry seem tame.

 

[luthervol]

How?

My speech is legally limited by my employer.....which I accept as a condition of employment.
And the obvious terroristic threat limitation.
And the obvious public vulgarity.