More Climate BS...

[BreatheUT]

Excellent points. And the sad part is we openly do business with these countries with no penalty. If the tree huggers really cared they would be in China and India and lobbying for boycotts of goods from these countries. They don’t, because they are pawns. Climate change is all about power, control and $$.

Leftists created a new boondoggle get rich scheme and they used their pawns as the echo chamber.

Wasn't it Bill Gates that recently said, hold on now wait a minute. Let's back off a bit and take a more balanced approach to energy. He must need energy for AI.

Didn't the democrat socialist nostradamus, AOC, predict the world was going to end in 12 years if we didn't address climate change with their economy and USA killing multi-trillion dollar plan. I wonder who those funds were going to go to....hmmm. Well we got 6 years to go.

 

[Sea Ray]

*I* don't need to refute a thing.

97% of published climate scientists agree that global warming - caused by man - is occurring.

It's as close to established scientific fact as you'll ever get... but you keep doing whatever it is you're doing.

Do 97% believe that the gloom and doom predictions that the warming will have on the planet? That's where the rubber hits the road. It's one thing to tell us it's warming but it's another to tell us that the polar bears will die off and Florida will flood

 

[GroverCleveland]

I'll take china and their 3rd world commie thugs for a hundred alex!

And you got the "Daily Double!"

And it's Grover, not Alex.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

It goes beyond that Marcus, CO2 in your lungs is actually what triggers the need to breathe.

And not only do plants all die without CO2...WE don't have Oxygen to breathe without CO2. Plants break down C02 and use the Carbon to build/maintain the plant. They release the O2 which is the oxygen that all animals and people breathe. Without CO2 every plant AND animal as well as every person on Earth suffocates and dies. The honest studies by groups whose funding/livelihoods dont depend on a predetermined outcome decrying "climate change" show that actual global C02 levels right now are only a small fraction of 1% higher than at the lowest point recorded in history. It has barely changed at all and there is no evidence that mankind had anything to do with that change. Our satellite photos show that Earth is greener right now than it has been since we have made it to space though. Which is a good thing.

Mankind has had very little effect on the climate of planet Earth whatsoever...and it will be here long after humanity has come and gone. There are a few areas where we screwed up, like when the US and USSR both conducted above ground nuclear tests such as at Bikini Atoll. The half-life of the radiation we left behind is millions of years in some cases. That was a mistake, and humanity learned from it. The global "climate change" grift is just that...a scam, a grift. Any time you hear someone mention "99% of scientists" or "settled science" know that you are being lied to. Real, demonstrated and repeatable science doesnt need to make desperate "appeals to authority" fallacies. It can stand on its own data and merits.

 

[GroverCleveland]

And not only do plants all die without CO2...WE don't have Oxygen to breathe without CO2. Plants break down C02 and use the Carbon to build/maintain the plant. They release the O2 which is the oxygen that all animals and people breathe. Without CO2 every plant AND animal as well as every person on Earth suffocates and dies. The honest studies by groups whose funding/livelihoods dont depend on a predetermined outcome decrying "climate change" show that actual global C02 levels right now are only a small fraction of 1% higher than at the lowest point recorded in history. It has barely changed at all and there is no evidence that mankind had anything to do with that change. Our satellite photos show that Earth is greener right now than it has been since we have made it to space though. Which is a good thing.

Mankind has had very little effect on the climate of planet Earth whatsoever...and it will be here long after humanity has come and gone. There are a few areas where we screwed up, like when the US and USSR both conducted above ground nuclear tests such as at Bikini Atoll. The half-life of the radiation we left behind is millions of years in some cases. That was a mistake, and humanity learned from it. The global "climate change" grift is just that...a scam, a grift. Any time you hear someone mention "99% of scientists" or "settled science" know that you are being lied to. Real, demonstrated and repeatable science doesnt need to make desperate "appeals to authority" fallacies. It can stand on its own data and merits.

"Settled science" is a phrase about on par with "we must do it for the children." Neither means what they say.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

"Settled science" is a phrase about on par with "we must do it for the children." Neither means what they say.

Seems there are way too many things people dub "science" these days which have completely abandoned, or never even considered; the Scientific Method. Lots of pseudo-science and outright BS.

Like I said...mankind has made mistakes. There are areas where we clearly need to do better. Plastics and trash in our oceans and waterways need action to address. The global community needs to discipline the worst offenders financially through sanctions or other penalties (China, India, etc). Nuclear weapons should never be tested above ground. All power plants other than geothermal/hydro should be nuclear these days until we figure out fusion or a better technology anyway. Modern nuclear is incredibly safe and efficient while producing less spent nuclear fuel. We need better testing and regulation regarding "forever chemicals" like Roundup and Teflon. I am a small government Conservative but I still recognize that some chemicals are so dangerous that they should be verboten.

This is the frustrating part to me. That there are REAL problems that could have easily been completely eradicated using just a fraction of the money that has been pilfered in the name of "climate change". McDad mentioned similar notions. We could have completely cleaned up our fresh and saltwater already with the money wasted talking about CO2. We could force the worst offenders like China and India to change, or help them change even...but we don't. Yet we spend billions every year on projects to see which breed of dog likes Cocaine the most...or what color frogs have the most gays. We could sit here all day and post stupid "studies" paid for by tax dollars and conducted at universities that are completely insane. The overwhelming majority linked to "climate change".

 

[hog88]

And not only do plants all die without CO2...WE don't have Oxygen to breathe without CO2. Plants break down C02 and use the Carbon to build/maintain the plant. They release the O2 which is the oxygen that all animals and people breathe. Without CO2 every plant AND animal as well as every person on Earth suffocates and dies. The honest studies by groups whose funding/livelihoods dont depend on a predetermined outcome decrying "climate change" show that actual global C02 levels right now are only a small fraction of 1% higher than at the lowest point recorded in history. It has barely changed at all and there is no evidence that mankind had anything to do with that change. Our satellite photos show that Earth is greener right now than it has been since we have made it to space though. Which is a good thing.

Mankind has had very little effect on the climate of planet Earth whatsoever...and it will be here long after humanity has come and gone. There are a few areas where we screwed up, like when the US and USSR both conducted above ground nuclear tests such as at Bikini Atoll. The half-life of the radiation we left behind is millions of years in some cases. That was a mistake, and humanity learned from it. The global "climate change" grift is just that...a scam, a grift. Any time you hear someone mention "99% of scientists" or "settled science" know that you are being lied to. Real, demonstrated and repeatable science doesnt need to make desperate "appeals to authority" fallacies. It can stand on its own data and merits.

Enough BS Marcus! Next you'll be claiming we need dihydrogen monoxide to live.

 

[MemphisVol77]

The global population was around 2 billion 100 years ago. Its over 8 billion now.

The average human creates about 100 watts of heat energy while at rest. As long as the population keeps increasing, we'll keep releasing more heat into the atmosphere. The decimal might have a lot of zeros, but we effect the global temperature no matter how infinitesimal our increase measures.

8 billion > 2 billion.

Checkmate "scIEnCe DeNiERs!!!"

+97% of published scientists agree with my math.

 

[Smokey X]

Leftists created a new boondoggle get rich scheme and they used their pawns as the echo chamber.

Wasn't it Bill Gates that recently said, hold on now wait a minute. Let's back off a bit and take a more balanced approach to energy. He must need energy for AI.

Didn't the democrat socialist nostradamus, AOC, predict the world was going to end in 12 years if we didn't address climate change with their economy and USA killing multi-trillion dollar plan. I wonder who those funds were going to go to....hmmm. Well we got 6 years to go.

Bill Gates formed his own nuclear generation company called Terrapower.

 

[LouderVol]

The global population was around 2 billion 100 years ago. Its over 8 billion now.

The average human creates about 100 watts of heat energy while at rest. As long as the population keeps increasing, we'll keep releasing more heat into the atmosphere. The decimal might have a lot of zeros, but we effect the global temperature no matter how infinitesimal our increase measures.

8 billion > 2 billion.

Checkmate "scIEnCe DeNiERs!!!"

+97% of published scientists agree with my math.

the sheer numbers of people really is the biggest multiplier out there, for obvious reasons. There is a lot of the science that dances around that particular problem.

 

[BreatheUT]

Bill Gates formed his own nuclear generation company called Terrapower.

Gates has self interests?

 

[Smokey X]

Gates has self interests?

.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[MontyPython]

Do 97% believe that the gloom and doom predictions that the warming will have on the planet? That's where the rubber hits the road. It's one thing to tell us it's warming but it's another to tell us that the polar bears will die off and Florida will flood

I'm definitely no expert in this field. But I will tell you this... when I was getting my masters in marine science, we learned that the Gulf Stream was in danger of reversing because of the changes in salinity in the water due to the melting of the Arctic ice cap. I've read recently that that in fact may be happening now. This would be catastrophic. Instead of the warm Gulfstream coming up our East Coast that creates amazing fisheries for commercial fisherman and the United States, we would have a cold Humboldt like current coming from the north... it would change everything literally upside down.

The problem with all of this is people dig in their heels politically and the truth is nobody knows for sure... but my view is we should err on the side of conservation which means less fossil fuels and carbon dioxide.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I'm definitely no expert in this field. But I will tell you this... when I was getting my masters in marine science, we learned that the Gulf Stream was in danger of reversing because of the changes in salinity in the water due to the melting of the Arctic ice cap. I've read recently that that in fact may be happening now. This would be catastrophic. Instead of the warm Gulfstream coming up our East Coast that creates amazing fisheries for commercial fisherman and the United States, we would have a cold Humboldt like current coming from the north... it would change everything literally upside down.

The problem with all of this is people dig in their heels politically and the truth is nobody knows for sure... but my view is we should err on the side of conservation which means less fossil fuels and carbon dioxide.

If you put on a mask it reverses any change, fact, so try that.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Gates has self interests?

They all reversed because AI money or scam, start up the goal, gas and nuclear power plants to save the world.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Read the entire post.

So tired of scientists, would be scientists, shrub huggers and plain old Democrats repeating the " climate change" hoax while completely ignoring the best actual data we have. Which all suggests that nature is cyclical as are global temperatures...and mankind has had little to no measurable effects on our climate. These cycles will likely continue for millenia after humans are gone. We should be good stewards of this planet and not litter nor pollute if we can help it...that's a far cry from the nonsense we have now from the CC grifters, Globalists, and the EPA.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

In the comments to previous

 

[LouderVol]

@MontyPython

https://phys.org/news/2026-01-greenland-prudhoe-dome-ice-cap.html

7000 years ago ice on Greenland melted away. We have direct evidence of something happening in the not distant past, and when it is happening again it MUST be because of humans. And not part of the natural cycle the climate goes thru.

"So for natural, mild climate change of that era to have melted Prudhoe Dome and kept it retreated for potentially thousands of years, it may only be a matter of time before it begins peeling back again from today's human-induced climate change,"

Damn that Holocene industrial period that caused temperatures to be higher than they are today with our modern industrial man made climate change.
"This means Prudhoe Dome melted sometime before this period, likely during the early Holocene, when temperatures were around 3 to 5 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today.

The science isn't settled. Its just manipulated to make you think it is.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

@MontyPython

https://phys.org/news/2026-01-greenland-prudhoe-dome-ice-cap.html

7000 years ago ice on Greenland melted away. We have direct evidence of something happening in the not distant past, and when it is happening again it MUST be because of humans. And not part of the natural cycle the climate goes thru.

"So for natural, mild climate change of that era to have melted Prudhoe Dome and kept it retreated for potentially thousands of years, it may only be a matter of time before it begins peeling back again from today's human-induced climate change,"

Damn that Holocene industrial period that caused temperatures to be higher than they are today with our modern industrial man made climate change.
"This means Prudhoe Dome melted sometime before this period, likely during the early Holocene, when temperatures were around 3 to 5 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today.

The science isn't settled. Its just manipulated to make you think it is.

Manipulated all because hundreds of billions of dollars in research grants and grifts depend on it being "true". I doubt that the US is unique in that "green" initiatives, programs,and their ever growing regulations have become politicians favorite means of enriching themselves, their family and friends, donors and home states. We tend to follow Western Europe on these things. It will probably end up being the most lucrative scam in history if not already. Imagine if the reckless Biden administration and Congress had managed to get that Green New Deal jammed down our throats. It would have been the largest transfer of wealth from citizens to the government and crooked politicians since Income Tax.

 

[LouderVol]

Manipulated all because hundreds of billions of dollars in research grants and grifts depend on it being "true". I doubt that the US is unique in that "green" initiatives, programs,and their ever growing regulations have become politicians favorite means of enriching themselves, their family and friends, donors and home states. We tend to follow Western Europe on these things. It will probably end up being the most lucrative scam in history if not already. Imagine if the reckless Biden administration and Congress had managed to get that Green New Deal jammed down our throats. It would have been the largest transfer of wealth from citizens to the government and crooked politicians since Income Tax.

it just bothers me when they say "the only possible explanation is man made causes", while ignoring all the historical science, and all the studies that come out and say "this form of pollution isn't as bad as we thought".

and meanwhile the only possible solutions given are new, high tech, costly changes, that they don't even make themselves; while they won't even touch low tech solutions that have been available for literally hundreds of years.

 

[MontyPython]

@MontyPython

https://phys.org/news/2026-01-greenland-prudhoe-dome-ice-cap.html

7000 years ago ice on Greenland melted away. We have direct evidence of something happening in the not distant past, and when it is happening again it MUST be because of humans. And not part of the natural cycle the climate goes thru.

"So for natural, mild climate change of that era to have melted Prudhoe Dome and kept it retreated for potentially thousands of years, it may only be a matter of time before it begins peeling back again from today's human-induced climate change,"

Damn that Holocene industrial period that caused temperatures to be higher than they are today with our modern industrial man made climate change.
"This means Prudhoe Dome melted sometime before this period, likely during the early Holocene, when temperatures were around 3 to 5 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today.

The science isn't settled. Its just manipulated to make you think it is.

Christ, man.

We burn 101,800,000 barrels of oil daily worldwide. That would stack to 56 miles high. Twice around the center of the Earth.

Every.

Day.

And you think the release of all that CO2 has no effect.

The science says otherwise. 99% of published climate scientists agree that we're heating the world up. You're welcome to think you're somehow enlightened and smarter than these Ph.D. level folks, bro.

Ego check Aisle 5.

How many miles high would 101.8 million barrels of oil be?

To answer this, we need to make a clear physical assumption. The most straightforward is:

Stack standard oil barrels straight up, one on top of another.

Step 1: Size of a standard oil barrel​

A standard oil barrel (42 US gallons) is roughly:

• Height: ≈ 2.9 feet (about 0.88 meters)

Step 2: Stack 101.8 million barrels​

101,800,000 barrels×2.9 ft/barrel≈295,220,000 feet101{,}800{,}000 \text{ barrels} \times 2.9 \text{ ft/barrel} \approx 295{,}220{,}000 \text{ feet}101,800,000 barrels×2.9 ft/barrel≈295,220,000 feet

Step 3: Convert feet to miles​

295,220,000÷5,280≈55,900 miles295{,}220{,}000 \div 5{,}280 \approx \mathbf{55{,}900 \text{ miles}}295,220,000÷5,280≈55,900 miles

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Final Answer​

101.8 million barrels of oil stacked vertically would reach about 56,000 miles high.

For perspective:​

• Earth’s circumference: ~24,900 miles
• Distance to the Moon: ~238,900 miles

That stack would go over twice around the Earth or nearly one-quarter of the way to the Moon.

 

[LouderVol]

I love that you have to use AI to do some very basic math for you, instead of spending not even a minute looking up the information yourself.

you realize that all that carbon existed in some form or the other on this planet before humans were even a thing? most of that carbon's existence took place in a time that was far hotter than what we currently live in.

what you have is correlation, not causation. if you actually read some of that science they will even point that out. just like today you can go back and compare any historical data on C02 levels and ICE levels and find they are not predictive nor causing each other. atmospheric C02 gets too high, the planet freezes, it doesn't burn. C02 gets too low, planet burns, doesn't freeze. there are periods of time where they coincide, but that is correlation, not causation.

I literally gave you an example of the planet being hotter than it is today, from an actual article, and the best thing you have to argue is how tall barrels of oil are. you are desperate and floundering.

 

[BartW]

@MontyPython

https://phys.org/news/2026-01-greenland-prudhoe-dome-ice-cap.html

7000 years ago ice on Greenland melted away. We have direct evidence of something happening in the not distant past, and when it is happening again it MUST be because of humans. And not part of the natural cycle the climate goes thru.

"So for natural, mild climate change of that era to have melted Prudhoe Dome and kept it retreated for potentially thousands of years, it may only be a matter of time before it begins peeling back again from today's human-induced climate change,"

Damn that Holocene industrial period that caused temperatures to be higher than they are today with our modern industrial man made climate change.
"This means Prudhoe Dome melted sometime before this period, likely during the early Holocene, when temperatures were around 3 to 5 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today.

The science isn't settled. Its just manipulated to make you think it is.

What makes you think this article is some sort of “gotcha”? There’s nothing inconsistent with our understanding of climate change and earth history.

After the last glacial maximum, the planet warmed due to well-understood natural cycles, with temperatures peaking some 10k years ago. Since then we’ve been on a natural slow cooling trajectory. Very slow. It’s no coincidence the growth of human civilization coincided with a period of climate stability.

Now the climate is suddenly rapidly going the other direction. The problem isn’t change per se; it’s the rate of change. The warming occurring over the past decades normally takes thousands of years. The rate of change is comparable to mass extinction events. You think that’s just a coincidence?

And consider the carbon cycle. What we’re burning over decades takes many millions of years to return to the ground.

It’s not just correlation. We’ve understood the causation since the 1800s!