MLB Draft Talk (July 13th 6pm EDT & July 14th 11:30am EDT)

#627
#627
vols1024 said:
I don't know what happens. I can't imagine both are able to return with the numbers and the amount of players who have waited and not transferred like Abernathy, Newstrom and even a guy like Grimmer who may play 3rd which further crowds the infield which Newstrom and Jay can play.

But if Bargo wants to come back I am sure Tony would be thrilled. In SEC play Bargo hit .312 with 7 HRs and 11 doubles. He can play 3rd, LF or catch. That isn't really a guy you turn down if he wants to come back as a SR when he would in theory be in line for another bump in performance.

It is easy to dream on young guys like Jay and Newstrom. Transfers like Wright, DJ Newman and Blaine Brown. But if you can take a sure thing and get a team leader back you do it as a coach.

Jay and Newstrom- showed brief flashes but have never done it at SEC level. They have tremendous talent but we don't know how they will perform vs SEC pitching over 3 months of play.
Wright- really good but played in the MAC.
Blaine Brown- is coming from one of the worst programs in baseball in Rice that imploded over last few years.
DJ Newman- is an elite talent but he has also gotten hurt often the last year. Past summer for TeamUSA and then again this spring. He was also taken by Houston so we will see the money.

My only point is... Bargo has produced in the most elite conference. You know you are going to get a guy that goes out and bangs for you against elite pitching.

Now Chapman is different because the swing and miss is just so glaring. In SEC play he struck out like 35% of the time which isn't close to sustainable. You gamble on Reese improving and he still strikes out 70 plus times and that hurts you badly.

I think Tony will have to chose between the 2.
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I am not sure why people have a hard time seeing this. With the new roster limits teams are going to be forced to have players that are versatile like Bargo on the roster. I know he struggled late but he is a proven SEC commodity while the others have all the potential you just don’t know how they will perform when the lights come on.

I agree with you I think it is either Bargo or Chapman there just isn’t room for both.
 
#628
#628
CAVPUT said:
How's he in a bind? Unfortunately, this is the new landscape of college sports. Hard decisions are now the norm. Just gotta see it for what it is....business. No different than a MLB manager cutting a couple of guys for younger, more talented players. Appreciate Bargo and Chapman, but if Vitello let's 'em walk, I got no problem with it.
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More so in a bind because I’m sure he thought those 2 were going to get drafted.

We all know Tony is very loyal to guys (even more so to the guys who won the national championship)
 
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#629
volfan411 said:
I am not sure why people have a hard time seeing this. With the new roster limits teams are going to be forced to have players that are versatile like Bargo on the roster. I know he struggled late but he is a proven SEC commodity while the others have all the potential you just don’t know how they will perform when the lights come on.

I agree with you I think it is either Bargo or Chapman there just isn’t room for both.
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When it comes to versatility, I’d say Jay, Brown, Newstrom and Wright are all more versatile than Bargo. Im fine if he battles it out at DH, but the lack of athleticism out of him really hurts us.
 
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#631
931Vol said:
When it comes to versatility, I’d say Jay, Brown, Newstrom and Wright are all more versatile than Bargo. Im fine if he battles it out at DH, but the lack of athleticism out of him really hurts us.
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Lack of athleticism? Bargo can play both corner infield positions, both corner OF positions, and C? Plus, he had the 3rd best BA in SEC play and 2nd most HRs in SEC play.
 
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taylorvol said:
Lack of athleticism? Bargo can play both corner infield positions, both corner OF positions, and C? Plus, he had the 3rd best BA in SEC play and 2nd most HRs in SEC play.
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Yes lack of athleticism. Slowest 90 time amongst the guys in the lineup this past year. He’s also corner OF only at this point, and compared to the guys that I mentioned, he doesn’t have CF or MIF flexibility. I don’t think it’s a secret that he’s not the twitchiest player on the team. Not hating on him, it’s just a fact. Would make for a great DH next season.

FWIW : I’m a big Bargo fan and want him back. I also want more athleticism in our corner OF, similar to what Dreiling and Tears provided in 2024 and what Beck provided in 2022. We have an extremely athletic and dynamic team in 2025 and I think we could utilize that at all spots in the field.
 
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taylorvol said:
Basically teams can award Designated Student Athlete (DSA) to players or commits who would have been cut due to new roster limitations. They don’t count against the 34 cap. I’ve heard several schools have designated 6 as DSAs.
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Why wouldn't TV just redshirt a freshmen who he knows aren't likely to crack the lineup? How is red shirting different than or fit into the DSA?
 
#634
#634
931Vol said:
Yes lack of athleticism. Slowest 90 time amongst the guys in the lineup this past year. He’s also corner OF only at this point, and compared to the guys that I mentioned, he doesn’t have CF or MIF flexibility. I don’t think it’s a secret that he’s not the twitchiest player on the team. Not hating on him, it’s just a fact. Would make for a great DH next season.

FWIW : I’m a big Bargo fan and want him back. I also want more athleticism in our corner OF, similar to what Dreiling and Tears provided in 2024 and what Beck provided in 2022. We have an extremely athletic and dynamic team in 2025 and I think we could utilize that at all spots in the field.
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Slowest 90 time? How about a source for that???
 
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#635
UT97Vol said:
Why wouldn't TV just redshirt a freshmen who he knows aren't likely to crack the lineup? How is red shirting different than or fit into the DSA?
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No redshirts in 26 as they all count towards the roster. DSA designation means they don’t count towards the roster regardless if they play or not. I’m guessing TN will designate at least 6 freshmen as DSAs. That solves the issue. Hopefully TN submitted a very liberal of DSAs list by 7/6. There’s no punishment for over designating so better to err on side of caution and designate more than less since due date was before MLB draft.
 
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#636
#636
931Vol said:
When it comes to versatility, I’d say Jay, Brown, Newstrom and Wright are all more versatile than Bargo. Im fine if he battles it out at DH, but the lack of athleticism out of him really hurts us.
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None of those have proven themselves in the SEC as of yet. Abernathy will rake in 26 but Bargo will be a proven veteran leader. Much needed with a new lineup and crop of unprovens
 
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05_never_again said:
I know the St Louis connection, but I'm kind of surprised he has big support from them. The Cards think of themselves as very buttoned up, "play the game the right way," old fogie kind of people (that's kind of MLB in general but the Cards are a good example of it). TV's personality seems like it would wear thin on them pretty quickly.
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That has been the brand, but they’re taking a hard look at it. They’re in a revenue decline and a bad new television deal. They have the 19th payroll, but fans have an expectation of winning the division. The Cardinals are in the midst of revisiting everything they do. Part of that is looking at the brand and possibilities for new energy and a new direction. As I said, I rate the possibility as low, but there is a contingent that would love to have him. It’s much more than the geographic connection.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
That has been the brand, but they’re taking a hard look at it. They’re in a revenue decline and a bad new television deal. They have the 19th payroll, but fans have an expectation of winning the division. The Cardinals are in the midst of revisiting everything they do. Part of that is looking at the brand and possibilities for new energy and a new direction. As I said, I rate the possibility as low, but there is a contingent that would love to have him. It’s much more than the geographic connection.
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Do you rate it as a low possibility that StL would offer him the job, or a low possibility he'd take the job if offered? Gotta think he's taking that job if offered.
 
#639
#639
Stoerner Fumbles said:
That has been the brand, but they’re taking a hard look at it. They’re in a revenue decline and a bad new television deal. They have the 19th payroll, but fans have an expectation of winning the division. The Cardinals are in the midst of revisiting everything they do. Part of that is looking at the brand and possibilities for new energy and a new direction. As I said, I rate the possibility as low, but there is a contingent that would love to have him. It’s much more than the geographic connection.
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I don't think TV is going anywhere. He could make more money but the job security is nada. 1.5 years of bad baseball and some owner could can him. He's got full control here, plenty of money, great lifestyle and cheap area to live in comparison. I'm not sure a 33 year old multi millionaire would be as drawn to TV as the younger guys. Plus this is a legacy. No one could even name the last 5 managers to win a WS.
 
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taylorvol said:
Slowest 90 time? How about a source for that???
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1. Eye test.
2. HS 30/60/90 times. His is by far the slowest out of anyone else in the lineup.

Again, this is not me bashing him. Cal Raleigh is slow as Christmas and no one cares. I don’t care if he’s fast or not. I think he could be the perfect DH for us next year.
 
#642
#642
Ttucke11 said:
I don't think TV is going anywhere. He could make more money but the job security is nada. 1.5 years of bad baseball and some owner could can him. He's got full control here, plenty of money, great lifestyle and cheap area to live in comparison. I'm not sure a 33 year old multi millionaire would be as drawn to TV as the younger guys. Plus this is a legacy. No one could even name the last 5 managers to win a WS.
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Dave Roberts with Dodgers 2020 and 2024
Brian Snitker 2021 with Braves
Dusty Baker 2022 with Astros
Bruce Bochy 2023 with Texas


Now quick no googling name the last 5 CWS winners Head Coaches

CTV in 2024

I gave you one of them name the other 4..
 
#644
#644
knoxvol52 said:
Dave Roberts with Dodgers 2020 and 2024
Brian Snitker 2021 with Braves
Dusty Baker 2022 with Astros
Bruce Bochy 2023 with Texas


Now quick no googling name the last 5 CWS winners Head Coaches

CTV in 2024

I gave you one of them name the other 4..
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My brother you are in the 0.1%. Congrats.

Johnson, TV, Bianco, MSU coach, Corbin.
 
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#648
#648
Ttucke11 said:
Fwiw 16 of the 30 MLB managers are in their 2nd full season or less. Job security doesn't exist.
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That's anywhere you don't win, if CTV had struggled do you think he would still be HC here? If you do more power to you..
 
#649
#649
knoxvol52 said:
That's anywhere you don't win, if CTV had struggled do you think he would still be HC here? If you do more power to you..
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I feel as if you're just arguing to argue at this point. TV job security at UT - golden. TV job security for MLB team with no loyalty - nada.

Sure if TV didn't win he wouldn't have security. But he did. Todd Raleigh got 4 seasons. MLB managers are canned at the whim of an owner. I'm not sure what the argument here is.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I feel as if you're just arguing to argue at this point. TV job security at UT - golden. TV job security for MLB team with no loyalty - nada.

Sure if TV didn't win he wouldn't have security. But he did. Todd Raleigh got 4 seasons. MLB managers are canned at the whim of an owner. I'm not sure what the argument here is.
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I'm not sure what argument he was trying to make either; guys who don't win don't have job security anywhere... period. If your coach isn't winning at a high level and you stay loyal to that coach, then all it shows to me is that you're not serious about being an elite program or organization
 
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