Milton QBR

[BACKDOC]

This is not intended to be another Milton sucks post. Just looking at the raw numbers. His current QBR ranking is #63: 2023 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN. For perspective that is well below many other SEC QBs, including Jalen Milroe at Bama which I find funny because everyone thinks Bama does not have a QB this year. Yet the QB they do not have is 23 places above ours. Just a reminder The formula for this rating involves the number of passing yards, touchdowns, pass completions, interceptions and other actions recorded by the player. The highest possible quarterback rating is 100, while the lowest is zero. I guess for those of you who feel our offense is off even though he shows moments of brilliance you really are correct. His production numbers are not competitive with the rest of the conference.

I went to the game Sat. Just barely missed on a couple of deep passes; totally whiffed on five potential TD passes. I'll admit I have never seen that in person, and I've been to several games since 1979. Hubbs and Price were saying a lot of that came after the injury, but multiple bad throws came before the injury too. I hate to bring up the elephant in the room, but there is a reason Saban did not recruit Squirrel. He is so small he makes for a small target on the deep passes. Even Hooker barely over threw him last year in the endzone. several of the passes to him would be completions to him if he had the same size as our other receivers. On the other hand Milton is not a turnover just waiting to happen like many other players above him on the list. He hasn't been holding the ball too long and getting hit as much like he did before.

 

[J C Higgins]

This is not intended to be another Milton sucks post. Just looking at the raw numbers. His current QBR ranking is #63: 2023 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN. For perspective that is well below many other SEC QBs, including Jalen Milroe at Bama which I find funny because everyone thinks Bama does not have a QB this year. Yet the QB they do not have is 23 places above ours. Just a reminder The formula for this rating involves the number of passing yards, touchdowns, pass completions, interceptions and other actions recorded by the player. The highest possible quarterback rating is 100, while the lowest is zero. I guess for those of you who feel our offense is off even though he shows moments of brilliance you really are correct. His production numbers are not competitive with the rest of the conference.

I'm sure there are flaws in this ranking system and it may not be entirely accurate but it's almost certainly better than the subjective opinions of fans.

 

[V04L]

Does anyone know where to locate Milton's passing chart this year? Trying to put together something on how the screen pass has handcuffed our offense and can't seem to find it. Appreciate the help.

 

[barney]

his QBR last week was 86.

 

[Vols410]

1. Stats are super helpful, and QBR is, for the most part, a good one.
2. QBR does nothing to account for receivers dropping passes and an OL that let's people in the backfield every single play.

Joe hasn't played up to his potential yet, but he's not the 63rd best QB in college football right now.

 

[golf437]

Sucking, sucks. No way around it. We suck with Joe

we wold suck more without Him.

 

[volpreacher]

Just think how bad it would be if he didn't have all those bubble screens

Just think how good it would be if the receivers had not dropped a bunch of those incompletions.

 

[volpreacher]

1. All of these things are pretty subjective. If you look at the glossary beneath the list, you'll see each category is 'weighted' by a subjective component.
2. We have a very strong running game and use the pass as an extension of that, and I think that affects his rating in this system.
3. I agree with someone else--he is pretty much middle of the pack. I defended JG probably longer than I should have.
4. I'll bet Nico is closer to being ready than he's being given credit for by the coaches. They'd just prefer not to get him broken in two this early in his career.

Nico is not near as good as Joe right now. He's not ready. Give it a rest. MIlton gives Tennessee their best chance of winning. He looked darn near perfect Saturday until he got his leg rolled up on. UTSA may have had some players out.....so did we. They began the year ranked 25.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Was the same with JG for a couple of years too

When JG was here - we threw 60 % bubble screens and he was still in the bottom 5 in the country in qbr and people still defended him and were convinced he just needed a different environment - (sorry Washington State) and that he was going to be starting in the NFL one day.

Most recently Joe's "knee" brace was throwing off his accuracy and causing him to go 1 for 9. Joe truly is a nice and remarkable person, an amazing athlete and an average at best SEC qb. He is lightyears ahead of JG but lightyears behind HH. If he would actually run the read option and
improved on his passing accuracy he could jump up a few spots. Hoping he balls out against SC.

 

[livefaith]

Numbers do not lie. There is a deficiency. You got a lotta nerve posting that here; though........

Numbers DO lie. Last year we were dead last in Time Of Possession. They ALWAYS need to be in a proper balanced context.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Nico is not near as good as Joe right now. He's not ready. Give it a rest. MIlton gives Tennessee their best chance of winning. He looked darn near perfect Saturday until he got his leg rolled up on. UTSA may have had some players out.....so did we. They began the year ranked 25.

You are correct on NICO. Joe at times seems to lose focus or interest or something. He has to play better for us to achieve what we are capable of this season. He probably needs to have an above average game for us to win Saturday.

 

[Mccage]

You failed miserably in your attempt not to put another “Milton sucks” post.

 

[Behr]

This and I have read on Volnation that - it is all the fault of the receivers and the offensive line.

No you haven't. Show me a post that said it's ALL the receivers or ALL the OL.

Crap like this is THE problem with the FF.

 

[Behr]

Sucking, sucks. No way around it. We suck with Joe

Well you do, no doubt about that.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Numbers DO lie. Last year we were dead last in Time Of Possession. They ALWAYS need to be in a proper balanced context.

The numbers don't lie - last year we were dead last in time of possession. This correlates to our defense was on the field the most - which correlates to some of the poor defensive stats. The top tier - or top 5-10 of the qbr's are typically guys you have heard of - they are also drafted high at the end of the year.
They have a high qbr because they are accurate, have a good touchdown to turnover ratio, and consistently lead their teams down the field to score. Joe needs to keep improving.

 

[Vols410]

The numbers don't lie - last year we were dead last in time of possession. This correlates to our defense was on the field the most - which correlates to some of the poor defensive stats. The top tier - or top 5-10 of the qbr's are typically guys you have heard of - they are also drafted high at the end of the year.
They have a high qbr because they are accurate, have a good touchdown to turnover ratio, and consistently lead their teams down the field to score. Joe needs to keep improving.

Kyle McCord is above Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, and Jordan Travis in QBR right now. QBR is a perfectly fine stat, but there's more to the story.

 

[Sara Clark]

This and I have read on Volnation that - it is all the fault of the receivers and the offensive line.

I think more in line of what has been said is that the receivers have not did him any favors. Regardless, imo, he's not a great qb, not even sure I would call him good, but receivers have likely made him look worse than what he is.
Now, for the rest of you, I'm not interested in arguing about Milton. We're all about to find out in the next 4 games what we've got. The next 4 games should put all the arguing to rest.....who the heck am I kidding, no it won't. Hahahaha

Hope you all have a good day. GoVols!!!

 

[Fullfillmer]

No you haven't. Show me a post that said it's ALL the receivers or ALL the OL.

Crap like this is THE problem with the FF.

Semantics - funny how you highlighted ALL - the point is that many are quick to blame other aspects of the offense and overlook issues that drive success and a high qbr. At the end of the year qbr is pretty telling, much like stats for a pitcher in baseball.

 

[DaddyChad]

I went to the game Sat. Just barely missed on a couple of deep passes; totally whiffed on five potential TD passes. I'll admit I have never seen that in person, and I've been to several games since 1979. Hubbs and Price were saying a lot of that came after the injury, but multiple bad throws came before the injury too. I hate to bring up the elephant in the room, but there is a reason Saban did not recruit Squirrel. He is so small he makes for a small target on the deep passes. Even Hooker barely over threw him last year in the endzone. several of the passes to him would be completions to him if he had the same size as our other receivers. On the other hand Milton is not a turnover just waiting to happen like many other players above him on the list. He hasn't been holding the ball too long and getting hit as much like he did before.

So part of accuracy is being able to set your feet in a clean pocket and deliver the football. Milton isn’t going to be more than mediocre in my opinion anyways but he’s getting screwed by the Oline as well.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Kyle McCord is above Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, and Jordan Travis in QBR right now. QBR is a perfectly fine stat, but there's more to the story.

Not by much and McCord is projected a late first round draft pick -- so nothing to really see here. Having a good cast around you certainly helps - but if you are moving your team down the field, completing drives, not turning the ball over -- you will have a good qbr. If you have accuracy problems resulting in short drives, don't run the read option well and always hand to the rb resulting in drives ending on third/ fourth and short - you will have a qbr like Joe's. He can do better, he needs to do better.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Does anyone know where to locate Milton's passing chart this year? Trying to put together something on how the screen pass has handcuffed our offense and can't seem to find it. Appreciate the help.

You might also want to check out when JG was our qb and we ran 60% bubble screens because his accuracy was less than great. I think we averaged about 17 ppg.

 

[Behr]

Semantics - funny how you highlighted ALL - the point is that many are quick to blame other aspects of the offense and overlook issues that drive success and a high qbr. At the end of the year qbr is pretty telling, much like stats for a pitcher in baseball.

That's what you said. All. How is it funny? It's not semantics, you're full of crap.

If the receivers, the OL and the defense in the first half had done their jobs, I have no doubt we'd won in Gainesville. You want to blame it ALL on Joe.

Now, take that and twist it so it says I love Joe and think he's perfect.

 

[cobbwebb0710]

Some of y'all must try to be miserable

Can’t we be honest and say that maybe we just don’t have a very good team as a whole? At least a team that hasn’t lived up to domes expectations.
Why do we always have to find one player or coach to throw under the bus?
IMO the QB, O-line, receivers and entire defense has looked mediocre at times. The only consistency I’ve seen is at the RB position.
It’s ok to admit that we may not have a great team and not absolutely crucify one player or coach. Our problems so far are due to a number of issues, not just one player.

 

[sjt18]

Numbers do not lie. There is a deficiency. You got a lotta nerve posting that here; though........

Hopefully no one will dispute that he hasn't played well. The question is whether he can and if he's the best current option.

Unfortunately, there seem to be as many people vested in his failure as there are people who excuse him.

 

[A2K]

Stats don't lie...I still say Nico ain't ready and Milton goes to the league...He is our best shot this year...We roll with him and it will be what it is..