Mike Leach Sucks and UT can easily lose to Arkansas

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VOLINVONORE said:
I think he has been fired everywhere he has coached except for Mississippi State. Just wait, it will happen there as soon as they can afford to pay his buy out.
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You would be absolutely incorrect in that statement. He was fired at Texas Tech, and it had nothing to do with on the field performance. Otherwise he moved from Cal-Poly to Valdosta State, Valdosta State to Kentucky, Kentucky to Oklahoma, Oklahoma to a HC job at Texas Tech, got fired over refusing to publicly apologize for something he didn't do regarding the Craig James' son story, and got hired at Washington State, had the best season in school history there, and was hired by Miss State.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You would be absolutely incorrect in that statement. He was fired at Texas Tech, and it had nothing to do with on the field performance. Otherwise he moved from Cal-Poly to Valdosta State, Valdosta State to Kentucky, Kentucky to Oklahoma, Oklahoma to a HC job at Texas Tech, got fired over refusing to publicly apologize for something he didn't do regarding the Craig James' son story, and got hired at Washington State, had the best season in school history there, and was hired by Miss State.
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He did not, Washington State actually has had better seasons, including under Mike Price.

He left Oklahoma as he was about to be fired to coach Texas Tech who was desperate, he had one "good" season off of a fluke pay against Texas, but didn't win anything of note and couldn't even score against an SEC team in the bowl game. He had more mediocre seasons until he was fired for abusing players. Then no other major school wanted him except Wash State who was desperate and he had a few seasons there without winning anything of note, and lost to his rivals again and again and continued to blame his players, then was about to be fired there and jumped ship to Miss State to where he had a win against a terrible LSU team and has since been unable to score at all in SEC games, all while having players quit on him because he blames them.

But hey, he sometimes has teams that put up a LOT of meaningless yards and he makes jokes so....
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Two things have become more clear to me recently. First I'm glad we didn't hire Mike Leach. His "air raid" offense has scored a grand total of 16 points in the last 3 weeks. After what appeared to be an impressive first game against LSU (who obviously have enormously huge issues), Leach's team has fallen more flat that UT has which is impressively bad given Tennessee's last two weeks.

That brings me to my second observation. One of those teams that beat Leach was Arkansas. Arkansas with a first year head coach, playing in the SEC west, has scored at least 21 points in 4 of their 5 games this year. The lone blemish was against Georgia's defense. Since Tennessee doesn't have anything even close to Georgia's defense that means UT has to score points. Something they haven't managed to be able to do since JGs epic meltdown.

Arkansas is probably the second easiest game UT has left and on the road against a team that can score points I'm now inclined to think this is an "L" and UT ends up going 1-4 in the back half of the year.

ESPN is giving Arkansas the edge to win in this one and Vegas is only giving Tennessee -3 on the spread. This game is considered a toss-up. A DAMN TOSS-UP! It's very possible that Tennessee loses to lowly Arkansas with a first year head coach. A loss would also mean that Arkansas is having more success with a 1st year HC playing in the SEC west than Tennessee is having with a 3rd year HC playing in the east. That's crazy to think about.
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That first year head coach was one of the most respected position coaches in the business. The players love and respect him and this team bears zero resemblance to the two years of sh*t-shows produced by Chad Morris. The star level of the players is far below the Vols, but they are well-drilled in the fundamentals. They play as a team, not as a collection of prima donnas. What I am getting at is that this is going to be a dog fight. If the Vols don't play up to their potential, they're going to be embarrassed.
 
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Leach had the only 11 win season in Washington State history...So yes, Leach had the best season.

And some of the Leach coaching tree:

Assistant coaches under Leach who became college head coaches:
Art Briles: Houston Cougars (2003–2007), Baylor Bears (2008–2015)
Jeff Choate: Montana State Bobcats (2016–present)
Sonny Dykes: Louisiana Tech Bulldogs (2010–2012), California Golden Bears (2013–2016), SMU Mustangs (2018–present)
Greg McMackin: Hawaii Warriors (2008–2011)
Ruffin McNeill: East Carolina Pirates (2010–2015)
Dana Holgorsen: West Virginia Mountaineers (2011–2018), Houston Cougars (2019–present)
Seth Littrell: North Texas Mean Green (2016–present)
Lincoln Riley: Oklahoma Sooners (2017–present)

Graduate assistants under Leach who became college head coaches:
Dave Aranda: Baylor Bears (2020–present)

Players under Leach who became college or NFL head coaches:
Kliff Kingsbury: Texas Tech (2013–2018), Arizona Cardinals (2019–present)
Neal Brown: Troy Trojans (2015–2018), West Virginia Mountaineers (2019–present)
Seth Littrell: North Texas Mean Green (2016–present)
Josh Heupel: UCF Knights (2018–present)
Eric Morris: Incarnate Word Cardinals (2018–present)
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He did not, Washington State actually has had better seasons, including under Mike Price.

He left Oklahoma as he was about to be fired to coach Texas Tech who was desperate, he had one "good" season off of a fluke pay against Texas, but didn't win anything of note and couldn't even score against an SEC team in the bowl game. He had more mediocre seasons until he was fired for abusing players. Then no other major school wanted him except Wash State who was desperate and he had a few seasons there without winning anything of note, and lost to his rivals again and again and continued to blame his players, then was about to be fired there and jumped ship to Miss State to where he had a win against a terrible LSU team and has since been unable to score at all in SEC games, all while having players quit on him because he blames them.

But hey, he sometimes has teams that put up a LOT of meaningless yards and he makes jokes so....
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No they didn't. Washington State's best ever season was 10-2 with Mike Price. They had never had an 11 win season in school history.

LMAO at your "he was going to be fired at Oklahoma statement. You live in fantasy land, I'm not sure if it's more pathetic or hilarious. In 1998 Oklahoma completed it's 5th straight losing season and averaged 16 points per game, 101st in the nation. In 1999 they hired Leach and averaged 36ppg 6th in the nation and he got a head coaching offer that he took, Bob Stoops loved him and loved the air raid. He said it was hell to stop at Kentucky with basketball school talent, so he imagined what it would do with Oklahoma talent. Sounds like a coach who was going to be fired.
 
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Tnphil said:
Leach had the only 11 win season in Washington State history...So yes, Leach had the best season.

And some of the Leach coaching tree:

Assistant coaches under Leach who became college head coaches:
Art Briles: Houston Cougars (2003–2007), Baylor Bears (2008–2015)
Jeff Choate: Montana State Bobcats (2016–present)
Sonny Dykes: Louisiana Tech Bulldogs (2010–2012), California Golden Bears (2013–2016), SMU Mustangs (2018–present)
Greg McMackin: Hawaii Warriors (2008–2011)
Ruffin McNeill: East Carolina Pirates (2010–2015)
Dana Holgorsen: West Virginia Mountaineers (2011–2018), Houston Cougars (2019–present)
Seth Littrell: North Texas Mean Green (2016–present)
Lincoln Riley: Oklahoma Sooners (2017–present)

Graduate assistants under Leach who became college head coaches:
Dave Aranda: Baylor Bears (2020–present)

Players under Leach who became college or NFL head coaches:
Kliff Kingsbury: Texas Tech (2013–2018), Arizona Cardinals (2019–present)
Neal Brown: Troy Trojans (2015–2018), West Virginia Mountaineers (2019–present)
Seth Littrell: North Texas Mean Green (2016–present)
Josh Heupel: UCF Knights (2018–present)
Eric Morris: Incarnate Word Cardinals (2018–present)
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Mike Price won 10 games three straight years and won the conference twice...they were better seasons in WSU history
 
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VolArmy74 said:
No they didn't. Washington State's best ever season was 10-2 with Mike Price. They had never had an 11 win season in school history.

LMAO at your "he was going to be fired at Oklahoma statement. You live in fantasy land, I'm not sure if it's more pathetic or hilarious. In 1998 Oklahoma completed it's 5th straight losing season and averaged 16 points per game, 101st in the nation. In 1999 they hired Leach and averaged 36ppg 6th in the nation and he got a head coaching offer that he took, Bob Stoops loved him and loved the air raid. He said it was hell to stop at Kentucky with basketball school talent, so he imagined what it would do with Oklahoma talent. Sounds like a coach who was going to be fired.
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Could you list Leach's biggest wins during that 11 win season?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You would be absolutely incorrect in that statement. He was fired at Texas Tech, and it had nothing to do with on the field performance. Otherwise he moved from Cal-Poly to Valdosta State, Valdosta State to Kentucky, Kentucky to Oklahoma, Oklahoma to a HC job at Texas Tech, got fired over refusing to publicly apologize for something he didn't do regarding the Craig James' son story, and got hired at Washington State, had the best season in school history there, and was hired by Miss State.
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With the exception of 2018, while at WSU Leach had a terrible record against top 25 opponents. He was 8-22 against top 25 teams and 1-8 against top 5 teams. Mind you most of these games were lower ranked top 25 PAC12 teams and not SEC or Big10 teams. He may have turned around WSU, but what does that really mean? He didn't achieve much of anything noteworthy other that having the best record in school history, which isn't saying much.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Could you list Leach's biggest wins during that 11 win season?
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Probably over 12th ranked Oregon. He beat 3 ranked teams that year, one more than Price did in 1997 in the 10-2 season you're talking about., that team's best win was over a team ranked 20th.

Not going to address your flat out lie about him going to be fired at Oklahoma?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You would be absolutely incorrect in that statement. He was fired at Texas Tech, and it had nothing to do with on the field performance. Otherwise he moved from Cal-Poly to Valdosta State, Valdosta State to Kentucky, Kentucky to Oklahoma, Oklahoma to a HC job at Texas Tech, got fired over refusing to publicly apologize for something he didn't do regarding the Craig James' son story, and got hired at Washington State, had the best season in school history there, and was hired by Miss State.
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They had the most wins ever, but I'm not sure I'd call it the best season ever considering they didn't win the Pac-12.

1997 is probably their best season ever, they went 10-2, won the then Pac-10, and their 2 losses were to #14 Arizona St. and #1 Michigan in the Rose Bowl. 2002 they were also Pac-10 Co-Champs in 2002 won the head to head against USC and got the Rose Bowl bid.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
No they didn't. Washington State's best ever season was 10-2 with Mike Price. They had never had an 11 win season in school history.

LMAO at your "he was going to be fired at Oklahoma statement. You live in fantasy land, I'm not sure if it's more pathetic or hilarious. In 1998 Oklahoma completed it's 5th straight losing season and averaged 16 points per game, 101st in the nation. In 1999 they hired Leach and averaged 36ppg 6th in the nation and he got a head coaching offer that he took, Bob Stoops loved him and loved the air raid. He said it was hell to stop at Kentucky with basketball school talent, so he imagined what it would do with Oklahoma talent. Sounds like a coach who was going to be fired.
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Price won the Pac 10 in that 10-2 season and played one less game because 12 game regular seasons weren't a thing then. They've had 4 conference titles and Price has 2 of them.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Probably over 12th ranked Oregon. He beat 3 ranked teams that year, one more than Price did in 1997 in the 10-2 season you're talking about., that team's best win was over a team ranked 20th.

Not going to address your flat out lie about him going to be fired at Oklahoma?
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Their best win in 1997 was over UCLA who was unranked when they played but ended up 10-2 and ranked #5.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
With the exception of 2018, while at WSU Leach had a terrible record against top 25 opponents. He was 8-22 against top 25 teams and 1-8 against top 5 teams. Mind you most of these games were lower ranked top 25 PAC12 teams and not SEC or Big10 teams. He may have turned around WSU, but what does that really mean? He didn't achieve much of anything noteworthy other that having the best record in school history, which isn't saying much.
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Washington State is in a recruiting black hole with less historical success than Kentucky. In the 4 years before he arrived Washington State went 2-11, 1-11, 2-10, 4-8. The guy has 140 career wins at two of the worst programs in P5. Without his wins there they'd be even worse historically. Leach's tenure alone moved Washington State up 6 spots on the all time winning percentage list. Texas Tech also moved up 6 slots on the list during Leach's time there. They've moved back down all 6 of those spots since he was fired.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Washington State is in a recruiting black hole with less historical success than Kentucky. In the 4 years before he arrived Washington State went 2-11, 1-11, 2-10, 4-8. The guy has 140 career wins at two of the worst programs in P5. Without his wins there they'd be even worse historically. Leach's tenure alone moved Washington State up 6 spots on the all time winning percentage list. Texas Tech also moved up 6 slots on the list during Leach's time there. They've moved back down all 6 of those spots since he was fired.
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Again, what does any of that mean when you are in the SEC now? The Pac12 north isn't exactly the most competitive place in the country. What this amounts to is that Leach was able to take a historically bad team and make them serviceable in a not-very-competitive conference where nobody plays defense and he lost 70% of the time to top 25 opponents. When am I supposed to be impressed? I have a hard time believing he will have more success than Dan Mullen did at MSU, or even close.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Probably over 12th ranked Oregon. He beat 3 ranked teams that year, one more than Price did in 1997 in the 10-2 season you're talking about., that team's best win was over a team ranked 20th.

Not going to address your flat out lie about him going to be fired at Oklahoma?
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so his biggest win was over a 9-4 Oregon team that lost by 40 pts to Arizona? Gotcha..

ANd using your "logic", a Tennessee team that goes 11-2 but loses to a 5-7 Auburn team and to Florida by 2 TDs and then plays in the Gator Bowl and wins by two points over Iowa St would be considered a "greater season" than a 10-3 Tennessee team that actually won the SEC but losts to NC Ohio St, Florida by a FG and then #4 Oklahoma in the bowl game?

Also what was Leach's record last year, 6-7?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Washington State is in a recruiting black hole with less historical success than Kentucky. In the 4 years before he arrived Washington State went 2-11, 1-11, 2-10, 4-8. The guy has 140 career wins at two of the worst programs in P5. Without his wins there they'd be even worse historically. Leach's tenure alone moved Washington State up 6 spots on the all time winning percentage list. Texas Tech also moved up 6 slots on the list during Leach's time there. They've moved back down all 6 of those spots since he was fired.
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Mike Price did better at Washington St with more ACTUAL results...but i agree WSU sucks as a program...just like they did in Leach's last season there

Texas Tech was an average all time program, not great but not terrible. He had one good season there and a bunch of 4-5-6 loss seasons
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
so his biggest win was over a 9-4 Oregon team that lost by 40 pts to Arizona? Gotcha..

ANd using your "logic", a Tennessee team that goes 11-2 but loses to a 5-7 Auburn team and to Florida by 2 TDs and then plays in the Gator Bowl and wins by two points over Iowa St would be considered a "greater season" than a 10-3 Tennessee team that actually won the SEC but losts to NC Ohio St, Florida by a FG and then #4 Oklahoma in the bowl game?

Also what was Leach's record last year, 6-7?
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Tennessee never played Iowa St in a bowl game.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Tennessee never played Iowa St in a bowl game.
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My point was that was the exact score and oppt that he is using to say that season is better than the two seasons Price actually won the conference title (something Leach has never and will never accomplish anywhere). Price's extra losses in those seasons compared to Leach were due to playing 2 national title teams and Oklahoma in a bowl also
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Leach never wins in Year 1. Took him till Year 4 at Wash State. He's a coach that has to have "his players".

In any case, just wish we'd play Maurer or Bailey at QB. D.J. Uiagalelei looked very good at Clemson on Saturday and he's a true Freshman. If Maurer and / or Bailey aren't better than JG by the end of this season, we have a problem.
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Are you serious Clark?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Probably, but that in no way makes him a "top tier" QB, which is what I was responding to.

Franks is the same Franks he was at UF, which was a slightly better JG. If he were top tier like some here are trying to claim, he'd be starting at UF right now.
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I knew what you meant. I was just thinking I’d take him over JG..... not that he’s that much better....
 
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Remy said:
Leach is regressing because he's an offensive ghimmick guy. The gimmicks don't work very long in the SEC. If you like your coach entertaining in his press conferences while losing to Bama 41 - 0, by all means, hire Leach and his pirate hat and yuck it up.
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A lot of you said the same thing about Urban Meyer 15 years ago.
 
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