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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm saying that only the Governor of Massachusetts can mobilize the National Guard. Regardless of what "pressure" was applied, the buck stops with the person signing the order. It does not stop with some 85 year old fart eating caviar and cold water lobster tail on his yacht in the marina at Martha's Vineyard ... although, the old fart is who you would rather talk about.
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Just making sure I understood your argument. Do you deny that fact that the residents of MV can and do pressure political figures such as the Govenor?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you want to criticize that decision? Go right ahead. You just need to understand who was responsible for that decision. This forum is struggling with the concept that private citizens can't call in the National Guard. Only the Governor can do that.
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Diversion lol

And while they can't call up the National Guard, they probably have the ears of those who do. And those campaign donations come in right handy for such a thing.
 
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Majors said:
Desantis wasn't making a point to sanctuary cities, he was making a point that illegals don't care and neither does the WH. Those 50 were just a statement and it worked to draw attention of out sight out of mind mentality that many have.
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I disagree.

I think Ron DeSantis wanted to "own the libs" for being sympathetic to illegal immigration. He wanted to show that liberals welcome illegal immigrants, as long as they aren't in their exclusive locales. That does pertain to the existence of sanctuary cities.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It makes sense from one perspective :

A significant issue stirring Republican Party angst over illegal immigration concerns sanctuary cities/towns. However, Martha's Vineyard does not have any sanctuary towns. Those 50 immigrants were simply relocated from a location which wasn't a sanctuary city, and transported to a location that was. If DeSantis was truly interested in making a point against sanctuary cities, then those 50 immigrants would have been taken to Boston in the first place (an actual sanctuary city).
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The largest and most obvious angst stirring the Rs is the irony and hypocrisy of an elitist northeastern coastal resort area for the Uber wealthy and powerful saying they don’t have the resources to handle 50 immigrants while their political party claims that the border is closed and they are doing more to secure it than the previous administration did . I’m curious , when you hear that goofy press secretary say things like that , does it make you close one eye and cringe ?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I disagree.

I think Ron DeSantis wanted to "own the libs" for being sympathetic to illegal immigration. He wanted to show that liberals welcome illegal immigrants, as long as they aren't in their exclusive locales. That does pertain to the existence of sanctuary cities.
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How you do you disagree when that was on par with what I said. "Those 50 were just a statement and it worked to draw attention of out sight out of mind mentality that many have."
 
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Grand Vol said:
Diversion lol

And while they can't call up the National Guard, they probably have the ears of those who do. And those campaign donations come in right handy for such a thing.
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Some of the people known to own property on Martha's Vineyard include :

Tom Hanks
Bill Murray
Meryl Streep
Billy Joel
Neil Diamond
Carly Simon
Alan Dershowitz
Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg (JFK's daughter)

I doubt they are donating money to Republicans... although, Dershowitz might.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Some of the people known to own property on Martha's Vineyard include :

Tom Hanks
Bill Murray
Meryl Streep
Billy Joel
Neil Diamond
Carly Simon
Alan Dershowitz
Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg (JFK's daughter)

I doubt they are donating money to Republicans... although, Dershowitz might.
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They donate to both sides lol
 
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Why hasn’t the leadership of Martha’s Vineyard come out and clearly stated that they Did Not request their Republican Governor call in the National Guard to stem the 50 human strong crush of illegals flooding the island?

I mean, considering the optics…
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The fact that he is the only one who could have mobilized the National Guard and he is a Republican won't change. I didn't say it crippled Baker. It does cripple the desired Republican narrative that liberals were responsible for deploying the National Guard to Martha's Vineyard. Sorry, but you just can't escape the fact that Baker is a Republican. There is nothing more that I need to say about it. That is enough.
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Screech all you want. Everyone, even you, know the NG doesn’t roll out unless a bunch of MV residents get all flustered by brown people and start blowing up phones.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Why hasn’t the leadership of Martha’s Vineyard come out and clearly stated that they Did Not request their Republican Governor call in the National Guard to stem the 50 human strong crush of illegals flooding the island?

I mean, considering the optics…
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Because absolutely nobody would believe them?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I disagree.

I think Ron DeSantis wanted to "own the libs" for being sympathetic to illegal immigration. He wanted to show that liberals welcome illegal immigrants, as long as they aren't in their exclusive locales. That does pertain to the existence of sanctuary cities.
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Where were you screeching about those 48 illegals found dead in a truck? I’d bet you they had wished they were in MV.

Joe has 800 crossers that have died on his watch, but not a word about that from you Dims.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Why hasn’t the leadership of Martha’s Vineyard come out and clearly stated that they Did Not request their Republican Governor call in the National Guard to stem the 50 human strong crush of illegals flooding the island?

I mean, considering the optics…
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Leadership of Martha's Vineyard? Specifically, who are you referring to?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Based on the narrative getting pushed even here I’m gonna guess he’ll get blamed for it regardless
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If I was the mayor of the MV town that had the NG called in?

I’d be screaming from the rooftops that I Did Not request the Guard be sent in.

I saw a reference to the City Council in connection with the declaration of a “Humanitarian Crisis”.
 
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Majors said:
What does being a Republican Governor have to do with it. Point was proven by Desantis and Baker moved them out. If anything it showed the same as Desantis, we don’t accept illegal immigrants and moved them out. This one’s a struggle for you as the point was to draw attention. It exposed the hypocrisy, elitism and xenophobia by lefts elite place of vacation.
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Dont feed the stupid, ignorant troll. He's not smart enough to figure out who wanted the illegals out. Those removal recommendations didnt come the governor. They came from the residents of MV. But he just wants to troll.
 
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Didn’t see where to post this. Government and medical is becoming a toxic duo.

Adults under the age of 65 should be screened for anxiety disorders and all adults should be checked for depression, a govern-ment-backed panel said, as many Americans report symptoms of these mental-health conditions following the height of the Covid-19 pandemic.
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Most Adults Should Be Screened for Anxiety, U.S. Panel Recommends
 
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dovervolz said:
Dont feed the stupid, ignorant troll. He's not smart enough to figure out who wanted the illegals out. Those removal recommendations didnt come the governor. They came from the residents of MV. But he just wants to troll.
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"Recommendations?" OMG.

I'm not talking about "recommendations" here. I'm talking about the actual order itself to mobilize and deploy the Massachusetts National Guard to Martha's Vineyard.

There are two things here which I am asserting :

1) The residents of Martha's Vineyard do not have the power to mobilize the Massachusetts National Guard.

2) Only the Governor of Massachusetts can do that. The Governor of Massachusetts is Charlie Baker. He is a Republican.

... and these two statements make me a stupid, ignorant troll? LOL. I would love to read the explanation from any of you, who believe that either one of those two statements are anything less than 100% factual. Since when does stating facts, make one a "stupid, ignorant troll?" You people are crazy.
 
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