Mid-Summer Depth Chart Projections

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KBVol said:
Based on what specifically? And don't give us any hooey about your evaluation skills. I want specific traits, skills, attributes and preferably with examples.
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He's quicker and more athletic. When Vickers was in, he showed more activity. He pursued and flowed more effectively to the ball. He was also stronger. Way more stout at the point of attack.

And thats not to say Vickers was great. He just wasn't ineffective like O'Brien. O'Brien simply lacks the athleticism to be a starting caliber DT in the SEC. He's a decent 4th or 5th tackle in a rotation. But as a starter, he's not good.
 
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LWSVOL said:
and performance. he was outperforming him.
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I remember you were high on Jumper last year and we all saw what happened with him.

Hopefully the staff doesn't make the same mistake again. Kendricks was really bad last year. Especially in the Oklahoma and Florida games. And it's no surprise we took of in the Georgia game when Chance Hall replaced him.

I dont care if Richmond isn't 100% ready. Just like DKjr wasn't 100% ready to start last year but should have started over Jumper because he was better, I refuse to believe Richmond isn't better than Kendricks.

Richmond better be our starting LT by the Florida game or we're in trouble.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I remember you were high on Jumper last year and we all saw what happened with him.

Hopefully the staff doesn't make the same mistake again. Kendricks was really bad last year. Especially in the Oklahoma and Florida games. And it's no surprise we took of in the Georgia game when Chance Hall replaced him.

I dont care if Richmond isn't 100% ready. Just like DKjr wasn't 100% ready to start last year but should have started over Jumper because he was better, I refuse to believe Richmond isn't better than Kendricks.

Richmond better be our starting LT by the Florida game or we're in trouble.
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its not what I feel about players. Its what feedback I get about players. I have never been one to evaluate players performance but I do pay attention to resources comments from the football complex. That doesn't mean players can't play their way in or out of the lineup over time like Jumper / Kirkland. I believe Jumper started the year which was what I heard all last spring / summer.
 
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butchna said:
3 years of PLAYING? Piggybacking on that, isn't it 4 versus 1? Kendrick is a RS JR. Piggybacking further, Blair has 3 years "experience" under those parameters. :). Bottom line is that Kendrick has very little PLAYING experience as a trump card. If he's clearly better in Fall camp then that will bear out...if it's a TIE? They'll go with the young talent IMO. Unfortunate bow to future recruits. :hi:
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Not 3 years of playing but 3 years of weight training, practice reps and game experience over one year of weight training and practice experience. It is 3 years versus one I think if my calculations are correct. :)

Kendrick obviously has been much better than Blair since he has gotten game reps over him. Experience can be negated by lack of production / performance.
 
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butchna said:
3 years of PLAYING? Piggybacking on that, isn't it 4 versus 1? Kendrick is a RS JR. Piggybacking further, Blair has 3 years "experience" under those parameters. :). Bottom line is that Kendrick has very little PLAYING experience as a trump card. If he's clearly better in Fall camp then that will bear out...if it's a TIE? They'll go with the young talent IMO. Unfortunate bow to future recruits. :hi:
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Agree but don't get the unfortunate part? If Kendrick and Richmond are close, even if Richmond is slightly behind, you go with Richmond. For building experience for the future of the line/team and also for recruiting. Richmond winning out could make a big impression on Trey Smith.

Maybe you're saying it's an unfortunate disadvantage to the upperclassman. Maybe it'll push him to compete harder. I'm a big fan of competition. And either way, both should get playing time this year.
 
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Kristy* said:
Agree but don't get the unfortunate part? If Kendrick and Richmond are close, even if Richmond is slightly behind, you go with Richmond. For building experience for the future of the line/team and also for recruiting. Richmond winning out could make a big impression on Trey Smith.

Maybe you're saying it's an unfortunate disadvantage to the upperclassman. Maybe it'll push him to compete harder. I'm a big fan of competition. And either way, both should get playing time this year.
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I don't use blue font...and I recently watched Ferris Bueller's Day Off. :)
 
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LWSVOL said:
Not 3 years of playing but 3 years of weight training, practice reps and game experience over one year of weight training and practice experience. It is 3 years versus one I think if my calculations are correct. :)

Kendrick obviously has been much better than Blair since he has gotten game reps over him. Experience can be negated by lack of production / performance.
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A RS junior should have had 4 offseasons of weight training,practice and game experience. :hi:
 
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butchna said:
A RS junior should have had 4 offseasons of weight training,practice and game experience. :hi:
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Lets see. We probably need to compromise on how we calculate this...

Reports year one in the summer as a freshman..

Year two is as a redshirt freshman

year three is a redshirt sophomore

Kendrick is now starting year four as a redshirt junior this year. I guess we could say he is 3.5 years into his career and Richmond is one and a half years.. Will that work? :)
 
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LWSVOL said:
Lets see. We probably need to compromise on how we calculate this...

Reports year one in the summer as a freshman..

Year two is as a redshirt freshman

year three is a redshirt sophomore

Kendrick is now starting year four as a redshirt junior this year. I guess we could say he is 3.5 years into his career and Richmond is one and a half years.. Will that work? :)
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I'm sorry. I was counting AS OF season starting...then we could eliminate the half...sounds like when kids used to say they were 5 1/2. :)

Richmond reported in summer of freshman year...you credited him as having a year of experience. Ergo, he gets through this Summer and doesn't bolt out of fear of Kendrick's vast experience and he should be in year two. Kendrick would have four which should eclipse the relative amount of paltry PLAYING time. :). As your sources were pumping him up (as they tend to do the ones that they want to keep from transferring), did they illuminate on why he wasn't an option TWO years ago when we were in a pretty desperate way. I know that DeBord synergized the offensive line with the scheme way better than Coach Jake, but was Coach Mahoney not feeling him as an option and has DeBord made that much of a transformation? All smarm aside, I think he's being used as an instrument to light a fire under Richmond. Hall has been great at RT and Richmond will at least match Kerbeyson's performance before getting comfortable and vastly surpassing it. All my opinion of course which is what yours is. :). Speaking of opinions, is Tennessee ever going to be relevant again? :)
 
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#113
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butchna said:
I'm sorry. I was counting AS OF season starting...then we could eliminate the half...sounds like when kids used to say they were 5 1/2. :)

Richmond reported in summer of freshman year...you credited him as having a year of experience. Ergo, he gets through this Summer and doesn't bolt out of fear of Kendrick's vast experience and he should be in year two. Kendrick would have four which should eclipse the relative amount of paltry PLAYING time. :). As your sources were pumping him up (as they tend to do the ones that they want to keep from transferring), did they illuminate on why he wasn't an option TWO years ago when we were in a pretty desperate way. I know that DeBord synergized the offensive line with the scheme way better than Coach Jake, but was Coach Mahoney not feeling him as an option and has DeBord made that much of a transformation? All smarm aside, I think he's being used as an instrument to light a fire under Richmond. Hall has been great at RT and Richmond will at least match Kerbeyson's performance before getting comfortable and vastly surpassing it. All my opinion of course which is what yours is. :). Speaking of opinions, is Tennessee ever going to be relevant again? :)
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There are those that felt Kendrick should have been playing more in the past couple of years. Let's just say that something got cross ways between player and some staff which held him back. This was pre-DeBord so maybe DeBord being there the past year has helped with BK.

I'm not sure how you count a 4th year of experience until the year is past? If BK has 4 then Richmond has 2, right? :)

I'm not predicting this yet, need to see how August goes and how healthy we are, but assuming health wise we remain healthy then I can't see much reason for them to not win 11 games and play in Atlanta. Just my opinion though.
 
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In my opinion, Richmond is slightly better than Kendrick but not by much. Either could start at T & we should be fine.
 
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LWSVOL said:
its not what I feel about players. Its what feedback I get about players. I have never been one to evaluate players performance but I do pay attention to resources comments from the football complex. That doesn't mean players can't play their way in or out of the lineup over time like Jumper / Kirkland. I believe Jumper started the year which was what I heard all last spring / summer.
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I know you're just reporting what you hear. But man our staff has made questionable personel decisions in the past.

The Jumper decision was disasterous. Probably cost us the Oklahoma game. And Kendricks over Hall was also very bad. The o-line looked 10x better once he took over for Kendricks.

I saw enough in the spring to see that Richmond is at least better than Kendrick.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's quicker and more athletic. When Vickers was in, he showed more activity. He pursued and flowed more effectively to the ball. He was also stronger. Way more stout at the point of attack.

And thats not to say Vickers was great. He just wasn't ineffective like O'Brien. O'Brien simply lacks the athleticism to be a starting caliber DT in the SEC. He's a decent 4th or 5th tackle in a rotation. But as a starter, he's not good.
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Which scouting website did you pull all that from? Lol.

Lot of good all that extra quickness and athleticism and flowing to the ball did Vickers in comparison to OBrien. I know you don't believe in actual on-field production when evaluating a player and his "effectiveness", but OBrien had more TFLs and an extra 1/2 sack despite playing in two fewer games.
 
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KBVol said:
Which scouting website did you pull all that from? Lol.

Lot of good all that extra quickness and athleticism and flowing to the ball did Vickers in comparison to OBrien. I know you don't believe in actual on-field production when evaluating a player and his "effectiveness", but OBrien had more TFLs and an extra 1/2 sack despite playing in two fewer games.
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I understand your numbers being brought up about O'Brien. However, Vickers is much more quicker & athletic than O'Brien.

O'Brien I will say that he gives his all when he's on the field. He makes plays but he's not better overall than Vickers if you ask me. Thanks!
 
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#118
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tonybologna said:
I understand your numbers being brought up about O'Brien. However, Vickers is much more quicker & athletic than O'Brien.

O'Brien I will say that he gives his all when he's on the field. He makes plays but he's not better overall than Vickers if you ask me. Thanks!
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All I care about is who makes plays to help the Vols win. I like Vickers, I know he's likely stronger, quicker, faster, etc, whatever. But nobody can say, like D4H did, that he's more a "more effective" player when in fewer games OBrien actually had more splash plays in the opposing offenses' backfield. He also had more solo tackles in two fewer games played.
 
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#119
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KBVol said:
All I care about is who makes plays to help the Vols win. I like Vickers, I know he's likely stronger, quicker, faster, etc, whatever. But nobody can say, like D4H did, that he's more a "more effective" player when in fewer games OBrien actually had more splash plays in the opposing offenses' backfield. He also had more solo tackles in two fewer games played.
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I'm with you brother. I don't care who we put on the field as long as if leads to VICTORY! GO VOLS!
 
#120
#120
KBVol said:
All I care about is who makes plays to help the Vols win. I like Vickers, I know he's likely stronger, quicker, faster, etc, whatever. But nobody can say, like D4H did, that he's more a "more effective" player when in fewer games OBrien actually had more splash plays in the opposing offenses' backfield. He also had more solo tackles in two fewer games played.
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There's a reason he started and played more.

But keep burying ya head in the sand at things everyone else can see.
 
#121
#121
LWSVOL said:
its possible. We don't anyone on the roster that is a proven SEC caliber left tackle.
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We will see rather quickly that we do. Martez Ivey was in no way more prepared than Drew Richmond. Yet he started for the Gators.
 
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LittleVol said:
We will see rather quickly that we do. Martez Ivey was in no way more prepared than Drew Richmond. Yet he started for the Gators.
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What do you think the issue was with Richmond last year?

They obviously didn't have an issue playing a freshman if they felt he was the better player as they played Jones and Hall.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
There's a reason he started and played more.

But keep burying ya head in the sand at things everyone else can see.
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Yes, there is. Injury and a suspension.

Yet, despite those fewer games, significantly fewer snaps and opportunities, OBrien, the more productive/impactful and "effective" DT, had more solo tackles, more TFLs and a full sack vs Vickers' 1/2 sack.

But you keep burying ya head in the sand at things everyone else can see.
 
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