McElWain canned for cause, can we use the same "cause?"

[LSU-SIU]

Anyone could have the job filled in 24. Finding someone worth having around is another story.

Yup, the firing is easy.

 

[jakez4ut]

Just for snicks and giggles UF indicated they terminated McElwain "for cause." Sounds like he accepted it or took it for what it was. What was THE cause? I heard a nebulous explanation about not winning enough?!?!? Why can't we can CBJ for the same "cause?" Goodness knows he didn't win as much as McElwain did. Thoughts?

he lied about death threats, and didn't report it to the university, and couldn't provide anything to substantiate said death threats...no emails, no texts, no phone numbers, no twitter, no nothing.

that he didn't win enough, and the fans couldn't stand him, he just provided the fuel to let that fire burn hotter, and ultimately cost him the job.

 

[TNnative]

So was it proven that he made the threats up?

When they asked him about it, nobody else confirmed his claims. No evidence (note, recording, caller ID, dead animal heads) to back up his statement. If I made such a claim, wouldn't you want proof other than my say so?

 

[oldgator]

I don't see where they have said for "cause" maybe I have missed it. There are terms within is contract which spells out "for cause", from me skimming it... they would have to actually give him a hearing and review. I doesn't sound like any of that is being done so probably, they have reached an agreement. If they have not, than Florida is probably in very deep because they really don't have cause and they don't appear to be following any of the steps to fire him for cause.

It will be negotiated to about 50% of buyout IMO. This article pretty much sums it up. Mac and his agent surely understand the challenges of getting him a new job if he is involved in a messy legal process over his termination in his old one - and they will want that baggage cut away ASAP.
Report: Jim McElwain may get just $4 million, not full buyout - Alligator Army

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

Just for snicks and giggles UF indicated they terminated McElwain "for cause." Sounds like he accepted it or took it for what it was. What was THE cause? I heard a nebulous explanation about not winning enough?!?!? Why can't we can CBJ for the same "cause?" Goodness knows he didn't win as much as McElwain did. Thoughts?

It's a dipspit way of getting out of his contract. Says more about the school than about the coach and any candidate for the job will take it into consideration. I hope UT has more class than to go that route. If not, I might be inclined to dump them (UT) just as quick.

 

[1967vol]

So was it proven that he made the threats up?

No it wasn't. It was the way he handled it. He may have very well received death threats. A death threat shouted from a moving car, for example, how can you prove that?

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

That's what people don't get. This wasn't really Florida making a gutsy move. This was them jumping at an opportunity to unload their coach for a reduced buyout.

Exactly!

 

[Gary10ec1]

UF fans are celebrating their cunning move to save $. Play the “we take the safety of our staff and players very seriously” card. Yeah, particularly when it saves you 6 million dollars in buyout money. McElwain should have never said what he said at the presser. Made is awfully easy for the AD to pull a sleazy move while still claiming the moral high ground. Future hires should think twice about putting ink to paper with this lot.

 

[DaddyChad]

He already admitted he was bring up the old death threats, assuming those were true. All of that is irrelevant though, meaning, that isn't really cause, and proof is in the pudding they let him coach and waited to see the outcome before firing him.

I assume they have an agreement in principle, if not, Florida is in the loser situation in a big way as the contract specifies what needs to happen.

They didn't have cause, if he was winning or he was a normal employee - nobody would care.

It would be cause for not disclosing details of those threats against student athletes. It's a violation so serious that Florida decided to let him go ahead and coach because they take the security of their student athletes so seriously.

In all seriousness there isn't much way that this can be spun that it doesn't look terrible to agents and coaches.

 

[barknoxbrawler]

You mean shark sex wasn’t cause enough? He should gone all out and tried whale shark sex..... really show em.

 

[slickvol]

We could try to find cause. It's ridiculous we don't try this. Worst that happens is that Jones Sue's us.

 

[44DivePlay]

It's a dipspit way of getting out of his contract. Says more about the school than about the coach and any candidate for the job will take it into consideration. I hope UT has more class than to go that route. If not, I might be inclined to dump them (UT) just as quick.

Makes you wonder if Strickland is thinking Mullen because Mullen would trust him regardless of this due their prior time together at MSU. Who knows though

 

[44DivePlay]

You mean shark sex wasn’t cause enough? He should gone all out and tried whale shark sex..... really show em.

Nope. Only if he would have tried to prevent a shark from using a gender traditional restroom. That would have gotten him canned for sure.

 

[25801VOL]

The cause?

Their athletic dept, president, boosters and fan base is serious about competing for championships. We are not.

 

[andywilson001]

I'm betting this maneuver costs Florida more than it saves. Florida is a top ten job but not many people will work for a backstabbing AD that rips his employees off on the way out the door.

So much this...

 

[DaddyChad]

We could try to find cause. It's ridiculous we don't try this. Worst that happens is that Jones Sue's us.

Yes let's save a few bucks and poison every coach and agent in the country to the program. Seriously how much do you people think through these idiotic statements?

 

[DancingOutlaw]

We could try to find cause. It's ridiculous we don't try this. Worst that happens is that Jones Sue's us.

Yep that would be a great look for the next coach. You have the full support of the university, well unless you lose like the last guy and we fight it out in court for months or years. Good luck!

 

[DaddyChad]

The cause?

Their athletic dept, president, boosters and fan base is serious about competing for championships. We are not.

Soon.......you'll find out money isn't an issue and our program and it's boosters are serious about bringing a champion home to Tennessee. This crap show has a few more Acts before we get to its conclusion.

 

[1967vol]

McElWain is now available.

 

[KBVol]

Butch is too resilient and tough. McElwaine faked a hitman being after him and melted down. Butch would unleash unshirted hell on a stalker as would Ed Orgeron. Same was true of Majors and Fulmer - fine to hurl insults behind their backs - you would not want them one on one.

Wtf? You think Butch is a “tough guy”?? Do wut?

 

[Jaws]

I'm betting this maneuver costs Florida more than it saves. Florida is a top ten job but not many people will work for a backstabbing AD that rips his employees off on the way out the door.

Not from what I’m seeing and hearing. Mac’s buyout was 12.9 million. No way in hell UF pays that. I’ve heard they’ll pay from 4-6 million, which would be a huge financial win for UF. Mac’s “death threat” comments gave UF huge leverage.

If Mac says “I want the whole buyout.” UF says “prove you got death threats.” Mac says “oh, they were anonymous phone calls.” UF says “no problem, our lawyers will subpoena phone records.” Or, Mac may say “it was a random nut who said he wanted to kill me coming out of Burger King on University Ave.” UF says, “no worries, we’ll pull surveillance cameras from the restaurant and adjoining restaurants to validate.”

In other words, Jimmy Sexton steps in and whispers in Mac’s ear; “hey man, too much trouble, we’ll just take the 4 million.”

 

[KBVol]

Makes you wonder if Strickland is thinking Mullen because Mullen would trust him regardless of this due their prior time together at MSU. Who knows though

Heard today that Mullen and Stricklin didn’t get along at all at Miss State.

 

[Jaws]

One big difference I’m seeing between the UF and UT situation is that Butch is actually fighting for his job, pushing to keep his job, probably has productive daily dialogue with his bosses.

In Mac’s case, all that had broken down. Mac wasn’t speaking productively with the Administration and was showing zero fight and determination to keep his job. He basically acted like he was over it and wanted out.

I think that makes the situations different. If Butch were actively engaged in acting like a total jerk to his bosses and coworkers, I think he’d be gone already.

 

[Jaws]

Heard today that Mullen and Stricklin didn’t get along at all at Miss State.

I’ve heard that UF fans should not get too excited about a Mullen hire.

I’m hearing Scott Frost and Willie Taggart.

 

[oldgator]

Not from what I’m seeing and hearing. Mac’s buyout was 12.9 million. No way in hell UF pays that. I’ve heard they’ll pay from 4-6 million, which would be a huge financial win for UF. Mac’s “death threat” comments gave UF huge leverage.

If Mac says “I want the whole buyout.” UF says “prove you got death threats.” Mac says “oh, they were anonymous phone calls.” UF says “no problem, our lawyers will subpoena phone records.” Or, Mac may say “it was a random nut who said he wanted to kill me coming out of Burger King on University Ave.” UF says, “no worries, we’ll pull surveillance cameras from the restaurant and adjoining restaurants to validate.”

In other words, Jimmy Sexton steps in and whispers in Mac’s ear; “hey man, too much trouble, we’ll just take the 4 million.”

Exactly! In fact I believe that has already been pretty much agreed to. Mac doesn't need a messy "termination for cause" fight going on as part as his resume for another coaching hire. We got real lucky when Mac put that microphone in his mouth!