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Vol423 said:
Yeah. Fromm really struggled...as a true freshman. JG struggles because he sucks. It's really that simple.
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Fromm did well but he only threw about 15 times per game and completed about 62% and leaned very heavily on the running game. Fromm also had the advantage of having 10 team mates that knew the system.

Versus BYU JG completed about 61% of his throws, had 2 tds and 1 pick vs BYU. Sure he missed throws but every QB misses throws every week. JG didn't have a great game but it wasn't as bad as many are pretending.
 
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Visiting Dawg said:
Look, the kid had a passer rating last yr comparable to Kyle Shurmur, Jared Stidham, F. Franks and K Mond. Two of those guys are now in the NFL. JG's problem isn't talent and he proved last yr that he was serviceable at a minimum. Also, there is a reason why offensive production usually falls in Chaney's first yr at a new program.

Ask yourself this question. If Chaney is a guru, why did he try a bunch formation, flanker reverse on 4th and short with the game on the line instead of playing 11 on 11 with a QB that can run? 2 failed 4th and less than a yard doesn't fall on JG and that had as much to do with the loss as a couple of poorly thrown balls.
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1) the rating system allows you to pile up empty stats and get a good rating. That's well established. It's no indication of actually leading your team to success.

2) Fromm, Eason, Crompton, Allen, Sims... To say Chaney's system has a history of taking a year or two to pick up is ridiculous. Lots of QBs have been successful in year one under his system. Several of them as true freshman. Your premise about his system is not correct.

3) the fact that you just said he had a quarterback that can run shows that you haven't actually watched our offense the last two-and-a-half years. JG has rushed for one career touchdown and it was two years ago. He's piled up a -150 yd career rushing total. NEGATIVE. There's not much you could say that would be more wrong than calling him a QB who can run.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Our talent level is near the bottom of the SEC. Agree or not?
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We certainly are nowhere near the talent of Bama, UGA or LSU. I honestly do not know how many 5*'s Bama or LSU has but UGA had 22 of 24 in the EAST before they lost Brenton Cox. How many do we have, 2? THAT my friends, is a huge talent gap and I do not know how you make that up without signing (seven to eight) 5*'s for 3 straight recruiting years. Meanwhile Kirby Smart is still signing 5*'s like nobodies business. Pretty dayum frustrating IYAM. McElroy was pretty close to being right I'm sorry to say.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
1) the rating system allows you to pile up empty stats and get a good rating. That's well established. It's no indication of actually leading your team to success.

2) Fromm, Eason, Crompton, Allen, Sims... To say Chaney's system has a history of taking a year or two to pick up is ridiculous. Lots of QBs have been successful in year one under his system. Several of them as true freshman. Your premise about his system is not correct.

3) the fact that you just said he had a quarterback that can run shows that you haven't

actually watched our offense the last two-and-a-half years. JG has rushed for one career touchdown and it was two years ago. He's piled up a -150 yd career rushing total. NEGATIVE. There's not much you could say that would be more wrong than calling him a QB who can run.
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1. Every QB is rated by the same standards and they all get to pad stats to some degree.

2. Fromm ran an O that leaned very heavily on the running game and completed 62% of his throws. Eason, didn't have a good yr at all. 2009 was Lane Kiffin's O and Allen improved under Enos AFTER Chaney left.

3. Yep, I've watched a lot of UT football and rushing stats include sacks. JG played behind a sieve last yr. JG won't be mistaken for Michael Vick or even Josh Dobbs but the kid can move. He can move at least as well as F. Franks and he's tough to stop on short yardage plays.
 
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Visiting Dawg said:
1. Every QB is rated by the same standards and they all get to pad stats to some degree.

2. Fromm ran an O that leaned very heavily on the running game and completed 62% of his throws. Eason, didn't have a good yr at all. 2009 was Lane Kiffin's O and Allen improved under Enos AFTER Chaney left.

3. Yep, I've watched a lot of UT football and rushing stats include sacks. JG played behind a sieve last yr. JG won't be mistaken for Michael Vick or even Josh Dobbs but the kid can move. He can move at least as well as F. Franks and he's tough to stop on short yardage plays.
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Dear Lord man give it up. JG is tough to stop on short yardage plays??? Now I know you've never actually watched a game.

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Visiting Dawg said:
Look, the kid had a passer rating last yr comparable to Kyle Shurmur, Jared Stidham, F. Franks and K Mond. Two of those guys are now in the NFL. JG's problem isn't talent and he proved last yr that he was serviceable at a minimum. Also, there is a reason why offensive production usually falls in Chaney's first yr at a new program.

Ask yourself this question. If Chaney is a guru, why did he try a bunch formation, flanker reverse on 4th and short with the game on the line instead of playing 11 on 11 with a QB that can run? 2 failed 4th and less than a yard doesn't fall on JG and that had as much to do with the loss as a couple of poorly thrown balls.
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The almighty passer rating. I guess it's a shame that football games are decided by points scored rather than comparing QB passer ratings at the end of a game. UT had one of the worst offenses in the nation last year. Just like this season, Guarantano was a MAJOR reason that our offense sucked.
 
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How the hell could it be that bad? I don't remember a recruiting class in the last five years that has been outside the top twenty. Schools like Oregon and Wisconsin would kill to have the Vols recruiting record. Is Tennessee the Bermuda Triangle for 4 and 5 star players?
 
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JT3 said:
Agreed but I would also include Florida. Their players have been developed better than ours. I don't think talent is the issue. From the players standpoint, we lack mental toughness in all areas related to playing football at a high level.
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I've been impressed with all of pruitts recruits that he's brought in so far. They're clearly the more talented of the bunch;there is a handful of upperclassmen who are talented.
 
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Nationdom said:
Our talent level, besides QB, is good enough to beat everyone on our schedule but UGA and Bama.
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We have some good talent but are very short of experience at many positions. We will be a better team by mid October or early November. The position where we need increased experience the most is QB and I am afraid it will be the same next year. That position is the most important position and I can see us maybe starting a QB next year who may not have played a down in college. That could be a real problem next year.
 
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GetEmVols said:
Nah I agree. We would be 7-8 wins this year with a decent QB. We would still lose a lot of ball games because of our defense tho.
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Agreed. I just think we're closer to having a good offense. The defense is young and thin. Need to keep them off the field for long drives and not crap the bed in the end zone.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
We have some good talent but are very short of experience at many positions. We will be a better team by mid October or early November. The position where we need increased experience the most is QB and I am afraid it will be the same next year. That position is the most important position and I can see us maybe starting a QB next year who may not have played a down in college. That could be a real problem next year.
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I assume you mean the backups need more experience. In my estimation, if Pruitt was stubborn last year about playing a backup and he's being stubborn this year about playing a backup, it's highly unlikely that he sits JG next year in favor of Harrison. Or anyone for that matter. It looks like JG is the hill his coaching career has decided to die on. So to speak.
 
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Let’s be honest. JP won’t bench JG because he’s pulling a Butch Jones and playing for next year. He doesn’t want Bailey to decomit if a young guy comes in and does well. Playing for next year will get your job....
 
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The Original Fade said:
Our talent level is near the bottom of the SEC. Agree or not?
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Totally agree with Mcelroy. That is the honest truth. We ARE near the bottom of the league in regards to talent. Additionally, we are FOR SURE at the bottom of the league with coaches. When you lack talent and you lack coaching, you're gonna be a bad football team. People that actually think we can get this corrected this year are nuts. Somebody actually posted something about us still going to a bowl game. Are you kidding me. We'll be lucky to win 4 games.
 
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JustinVol said:
We have a handful of star players. Let’s be honest how many of the guys would start at Bama, Georgia, Florida. We do have some talent (mostly in freshman). Saban could fix coaching issues, but it still wouldn’t makeup for the talent issue.
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With the team we have now Saban would be 2-0 and neither game would have been close.

Any team looks lacking of talent and skill when they're not motivated or just out of position.
 
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zydane47 said:
Well if that's the case then every single recruiting services totally missed on every single one our classes the past few years, which I find hard to believe. I don't think we're near the bottom overall, we're just near the bottom at the most important position, QB.
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What we truly lack is alpha dogs. The only one we have is Jauan Jennings. Nigel Warrior might be one, but he is not there right now. But also you need backers and DL alpha dogs. On offense, Trey Smith might be one, but his time off and limited reps hurt him there.

Tennessee had several on both sides of the ball in the National Championship team. Al, Wilson was one. Billy Ratiff was another. Hell there was a little alpha dog in the entire defense. Tee Martin, while not as talented as Peyton Manning, might have had just a little more alpha dog in him that year. Chad Clifton was one on that offensive line.. Many others I might think of, but not at 3 AM.

While comparing overall effort between weeks 1 and 2, there definitely was a jump between the two. And despite some believing we have a huge talent deficiency, I am not buying it. We have plenty of followers, but once a team is on the field, the coaches are far away on the sidelines and up in the press box. In a world where everyone is encouraged to be equals, it just isn't so on the football field. Every winning team has at least one leader in each unit whom the other 10 put trust in. He is the calming influence and rallies them to greatness. They are accountable to him.

Somewhere along the way in the past 20 years, that has been forgotten. Perhaps seeking out those traits is overlooked in the recruiting. Perhaps some professor is siphoning it out of them. Perhaps some PC twits on campus need to stay away from the team. But without true alpha dog leaders on the team, having talented players might mean a few more highlights, but we will never be a winning program without true team leaders.
 
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#169
Nick Saban spends the last 22 months with these same players...would they be talented then? I'd postulate that yes, they'd actually live up to their recruiting rankings.

Our talent level is in the top half of the SEC. Our talent development is dead last.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
I assume you mean the backups need more experience. In my estimation, if Pruitt was stubborn last year about playing a backup and he's being stubborn this year about playing a backup, it's highly unlikely that he sits JG next year in favor of Harrison. Or anyone for that matter. It looks like JG is the hill his coaching career has decided to die on. So to speak.
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The only back up he played last year was a graduate transfer who was not vry good and would have not build any depth for this year. The only other QB was a true Freshman who had thrown more interceptions than TDs his senior year n HS.
 
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