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sjt18 said:
BS. UT didn’t bring in a bunch of new routes. What holds him back isn’t the system. He just processes way too slow and always has. This isn’t a new problem. Every OC he’s had has publicly stated they were simplifying things for JG. When they get to a speed he can handle... the O doesn’t move
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JG has had a new OC every yr at UT. Also, Chaney's system is very complex for a college qb and there are a lot of sight adjustments etc. A qb that isn't sure his WRs see what he is seeing will hesitate.

Also, while JG may not be a great college QB, he was rated in the top three in the SEC for the 18 season by the PFF guys. He did perform reasonably well last yr behind a woeful OL. He has proven that he is capable of being a serviceable QB. He is struggling in the first yr under an OC that has a history of QBs struggling in their first yr in his system.
 
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#129
EODVOL said:
I think some of the coaching calls are made because they are well aware of the limitations of the personnel. People say the coaches are calling dumb plays, especially on offense but sometimes you are dealt a crappy hand and you have to play within the talent level. Unfortunately for us, it appears the QB prevents the fans from seeing the talent around him because he is the one distributing the ball and checking the plays. Greg M. even implied that Chaney's hand were tied and the playing calling was most likely due to the ability of the QB. Sad when the announcer even said just run the ball 4 times so that the QB doesn't make a mistake.
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Our QBs shortcomings are making the whole team look worse.

Something has to change or we are going to keep getting the same results.
 
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Visiting Dawg said:
JG has had a new OC every yr at UT. Also, Chaney's system is very complex for a college qb and there are a lot of sight adjustments etc. A qb that isn't sure his WRs see what he is seeing will hesitate.
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Sorry but no. The things holding JG back aren't related to systems. He was in Jones' system for his first 2 years. Different OC's running Jones' O. What he's doing now isn't radically different from anything he did the first 3 years except Chaney is asking his RS Jr to actually make the decisions and calls a QB is supposed to make. We're talking about seeing a coverage and anticipating a receiver coming open then throwing to a spot rather than waiting for the receiver to stand there wide open.

Chaney taught Crompton his system and completely turned him around in one season. He did the same with Nathan Peterman. He started a true Fr for UGA and won games.

Also, while JG may not be a great college QB, he was rated in the top three in the SEC for the 18 season by the PFF guys.
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They rate numbers... on VERY low risk throws.

He did perform reasonably well last yr behind a woeful OL.
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No he didn't. The O didn't move. He made AWFUL decisions. He either can't evaluate risks or won't.

He has proven that he is capable of being a serviceable QB. He is struggling in the first yr under an OC that has a history of QBs struggling in their first yr in his system.
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When? He has NEVER proven he's "serviceable". He doesn't lead the team to points. He doesn't make good decisions. He is WAY too slow making decisions. He can't anticipate throws or read coverage. A 4th year QB should NOT be what he is.

UT isn't going to win behind him. It appears he's hit his ceiling WAY below what an SEC QB needs to be.
 
#134
#134
99gator said:
What more evidence is needed?

They are 9-17 in their last 26 games.

We can “think” things, but they’re not winning games, not making all-sec teams, not being drafted, etc.

Where’s the proof that the talent is at a higher level than he claims?
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If we had a better QB we would be 2-0 no problem whatsoever. A difference maker in QB can take care of alot of inefficiencies
 
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#135
He’s not wrong..

With that said...IF we aren’t miles ahead enough of UTC to not see at least one other QB...I’ll be checking out for awhile...
 
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EODVOL said:
he said he should not be benched because right not he is the only option do to inexperience, there fixed it for you. I much rather lose to inexperience than incompetence.
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Exactly because when JG is gone, we will get the inexperience excuse about why we are still losing.
 
#138
#138
volfannbama said:
Ok, take all the time you need to figure out he isnt a good head coach.

Also, you are aware my opinion has absolutely no bearing on anything? I dont care what the coaches name is so long as the vols win at a high level and dont get in major off the field trouble all the time. Doesnt matter a single bit to me if his name is Pruitt, chaney leach, muschamp, or any other coach you want to name.
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Is it sad that at this point I just want the vols to be mediocre?
 
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Nationdom said:
Our talent level, besides QB, is good enough to beat everyone on our schedule but UGA and Bama.
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Agreed but I would also include Florida. Their players have been developed better than ours. I don't think talent is the issue. From the players standpoint, we lack mental toughness in all areas related to playing football at a high level.
 
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GoVolunteers said:
I do agree with him on our talent level when you look at the SEC
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But we haven't played any SEC teams. We haven't played a Power 5 team. 0-2.

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If one assumed that we had more talent than the first two teams we played, one would assume that the coaches did not prepare greater talent to win.
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BINGO

Visiting Dawg said:
JG has had a new OC every yr at UT. Also, Chaney's system is very complex for a college qb and there are a lot of sight adjustments etc. A qb that isn't sure his WRs see what he is seeing will hesitate...He is struggling in the first yr under an OC that has a history of QBs struggling in their first yr in his system.
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Crompton got it in year one. Eason did too. Fromm. Bray. Allen. Matt Sims, for goodness sake.
 
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Visiting Dawg said:
JG has had a new OC every yr at UT. Also, Chaney's system is very complex for a college qb and there are a lot of sight adjustments etc. A qb that isn't sure his WRs see what he is seeing will hesitate.

Also, while JG may not be a great college QB, he was rated in the top three in the SEC for the 18 season by the PFF guys. He did perform reasonably well last yr behind a woeful OL. He has proven that he is capable of being a serviceable QB. He is struggling in the first yr under an OC that has a history of QBs struggling in their first yr in his system.
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Didn't look like Cheney's system was too complex in the first two games to me. No, we just have an incompetent starting QB.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Didn't look like Cheney's system was too complex in the first two games to me. No, we just have an incompetent starting QB.
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Right, PAW, and even if it s complicated the coaches have stated they've simplified it this season for JG. In a typical scenario, Cheney's system should help a quarterback improve quickly. He can get the ball out of his hands quicker. Ours just isn't getting it.
 
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#147
I don't recall which play exactly, but Pruitt was giving JG an earful after a failed play.

It looked like part of what Pruitt said was "...#4 was wide open!!!!..." He was blowing a gasket over JG not seeing wide open receivers - *surprise* it's one of the chief complaints us lowly fans throw around when discussing Guarantano.

Literally, it does not take an expert to see what's wrong - at least on the field. People talk about the admin, but considering we have a former NC winning coach running the AD, those problems should be overcome.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
Right, PAW, and even if it s complicated the coaches have stated they've simplified it this season for JG. In a typical scenario, Cheney's system should help a quarterback improve quickly. He can get the ball out of his hands quicker. Ours just isn't getting it.
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Look, the kid had a passer rating last yr comparable to Kyle Shurmur, Jared Stidham, F. Franks and K Mond. Two of those guys are now in the NFL. JG's problem isn't talent and he proved last yr that he was serviceable at a minimum. Also, there is a reason why offensive production usually falls in Chaney's first yr at a new program.

Ask yourself this question. If Chaney is a guru, why did he try a bunch formation, flanker reverse on 4th and short with the game on the line instead of playing 11 on 11 with a QB that can run? 2 failed 4th and less than a yard doesn't fall on JG and that had as much to do with the loss as a couple of poorly thrown balls.
 
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#149
Visiting Dawg said:
JG has had a new OC every yr at UT. Also, Chaney's system is very complex for a college qb and there are a lot of sight adjustments etc. A qb that isn't sure his WRs see what he is seeing will hesitate.

Also, while JG may not be a great college QB, he was rated in the top three in the SEC for the 18 season by the PFF guys. He did perform reasonably well last yr behind a woeful OL. He has proven that he is capable of being a serviceable QB. He is struggling in the first yr under an OC that has a history of QBs struggling in their first yr in his system.
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Yeah. Fromm really struggled...as a true freshman. JG struggles because he sucks. It's really that simple.
 
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#150
robow said:
JG is not killing us! As a matter of fact, he has become quite the magician. He was able to turn into Nathan Peterman, right before our eyes. He is scared to make any mistake, and is trying too hard. I think he will need a fresh start, and will transfer, before the season is over.
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We can only hope.
 
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