Matt Simms discussion (merged)

#176
#176
PeytonBerry said:
You say that like it is such a fact. We all have an opinion and that is just yours. IMO field vision, accuracy, locking in are parts of mechanics.
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no they aren't. The mechanics are footwork and throwing motion. Accuracy is a function of mechanics, but field vision is a cerebral part of QBing.

You're welcome to your opinion and you join a tremendous gaggle of film watchers on here who break down QBs regularly with amazing accuracy and precision. That's apparently a part of their mechanics too.
 
#177
#177
OK well tell me this then. What really matters in a qb? Why do they matter? And how does Simms measure up in those areas?

Results are what I think matters the most. Maybe instead of talking about mechanics we should talk about what HAPPENED: batted balls, terrible accuracy, pick six, poor decision making (which you mentioned), AND bad history at 2 other colleges.
 
#178
#178
PeytonBerry said:
OK well tell me this then. What really matters in a qb? Why do they matter? And how does Simms measure up in those areas?

Results are what I think matters the most. Maybe instead of talking about mechanics we should talk about what HAPPENED: batted balls, terrible accuracy, pick six, poor decision making (which you mentioned), AND bad history at 2 other colleges.
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His decision making cost them 6 points. That really is irrelevant now. Teams have seen it and will stack the box all year. He's going to have to prove he can hurt them through the air or Simms threads will be repetitive over the next few months.
 
#179
#179
PeytonBerry said:
OK well tell me this then. What really matters in a qb? Why do they matter? And how does Simms measure up in those areas?

Results are what I think matters the most. Maybe instead of talking about mechanics we should talk about what HAPPENED: batted balls, terrible accuracy, pick six, poor decision making (which you mentioned), AND bad history at 2 other colleges.
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All of it matters. It's why rocket armed guys fail regularly and cerebral guys with passable arms end up being the true beasts. It's why all of the bs hype on our recruiting forum is absolute garbage and the Rivals recruiting rankings look stupid all the time.

Effort, comfort with the offense, understanding what opposing defenses are going to do to you, accuracy, timing, mechanics etc. It all matters. Our QBs have been missing much of it for the past decade.

The batted balls issue is overplayed. The guy had some batted down, but that's as much our predictability and lack of passing lanes as it is anything else. The bad history piece is something that we knew coming in. Even at a lower level he threw way too many picks and had mediocre completion %. Those are always very poor sign.
 
#180
#180
Per Wes Rucker

Interesting: Simms said some of the Vols passing plays only have 2 reads. Young WRs talented but obviously don't know all the offense. That would definitely explain why Simms often looks like he's staring down WRs, and why the Vols haven't thrown over the middle much.

I agree those young wide outs need to step up and help their quarterback.
 
#182
#182
Doesn't explain why he looks to be staring down receivers. If there are only two reads he should be able to look it off and know right where to go with the ball. Should simplify it even more. That's on him, not anything the coaches are telling him to do.
 
#183
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volroadwarrior said:
You guys whining about Simms was entirely predictable. You would whine if he had a perfect day.
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exactly. If he came out with dominating performances and made good decisions, we'd cream him. That's been my experience here. UT guys killing it get eviscerated on this board.
 
#184
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Burhead said:
Per Wes Rucker

Interesting: Simms said some of the Vols passing plays only have 2 reads. Young WRs talented but obviously don't know all the offense. That would definitely explain why Simms often looks like he's staring down WRs, and why the Vols haven't thrown over the middle much.

I agree those young wide outs need to step up and help their quarterback.
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this analysis presumes that we didn't have someone wide open in the middle of the field anytime we wanted and that said guy isn't the alternate guy.
 
#185
#185
If he's reading the coverage and seeing his first option isn't going to be open then that would explain why he'e staring down the wr's. But i blame nothing on Simms. he stand in the pocket doesn't generally panic and still throws through the ball even when he's about to get planted. the INT was completely his fault, but those are going to happen. the quicker the team learns the playbook and the faster our wr's learn the better we will be. Poole and Oku are helping Simms a ton by running the way they are. we need work no doubt, but we are getting there.
 
#187
#187
wesrucker

Interesting: Simms said some of the Vols' passing plays only have 2 reads. Young WRs talented but obviously don't know all the offense.

wesrucker

That would definitely explain why Simms often looks like he's staring down WRs, and why the Vols haven't thrown over the middle much.
 
#188
#188
Sounds like he just can't read coverage that well or Oregon did a good job of disguising coverage. If you know where your going with the football, you don't have to stare a hole through them to get it to them.
 
#189
#189
I think it's too early to saya that Simms isn't the guy to lead this offense...we need to be more patient with him...if the headcase that was Jonathan Crompton can turn it around then I absolutely believe that Simms can...

This offense has no identity...we've shown that we can be capable of running the ball and that's about it...I think it's pretty obvious when you watch the O that there's an overall lack of continuity out there...and that's pretty typical of a offense this early in the season..especially one as young as ours...

I think our coaches need to do what was done last year...just figure out what throws Simms is best at and most comfortable with, limit him to those throws and get the WR's/TE's/RB's on the same page with that

I think Simms success is going to depend on Moore and Jones getting healthy, those two and Stocker playing like the veterans they are, and the coaches getting the talented youngsters up to speed ASAP...

If those things happen and the OL continues to provide decent pass protection then I think Simms can rebound and have a solid season
 
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#191
#191
pualsline said:
I am a lot happier with Simms at this point than I was with Crompton at this point last year

Tenn vs. UCLA boxscore
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Couldn't agree more...and that UCLA team was nowhere near the team that we just played...

What gives me confidence in Simms is that when he threw that pick he didn't turn around and throw 3 more and fumble the ball...

In other words he didn't pull a Crompton and have a monumental collapse after a mistake
 
#194
#194
Every year is he will get better ...wait till next year backup is better......being a Vol fan has become a "wait till"....it just gets old
 
#195
#195
BigPapaVol said:
I think there is some talent up there, but they could manhandle UO for the most part, which can help mask a lot of deficiencies. I will grant that the line isn't as bad, so far, as everyone predicted. QB situation is probably as bad as imaginable - again. LB situation is surprisingly an issue.
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I said the O-line would be fine from Day One. And, I have to give some props here to Kevin Cooper.

QB situation has improved over the last two years. Chaney still has "Crompton Fever" and didn't let Simms throw in the middle. I would have been happy if every pass Simms threw Sat night was 30 yard jump balls, because we would have won that battle all night long, and wouldn't have had a pick-6.
 
#197
#197
I think we should be careful about saying "put Simm's in" because we don't know what the coaches know. I won't question the coaches decisions.

With that said, I don't think Simms is a good QB because he has shown me nothing to say he is or will be. I don't think he will succeed based on what I have seen, but maybe he will prove me wrong. Hopefully he does!

On forums like this, there is a difference between "Simm's sucks" "Bray should go in" "Simm's will be the worst QB in history" and "I don't think he will succeed." We have to be careful not to masks our opinions as facts, because the truth is NONE OF US REALLY KNOW. Will Simm's turn it around? I don't think so, but that's just my opinion. That doesn't mean Bray should or should not go in, it just means I don't think Simm's is very good.
 
#199
#199
i didn't have a problem with his decision making,,it was his got awful weak arm and his inability to get the ball out in the flats that has to stop. Only short quick passes against this talent level will work.
 
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