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Smokey123 said:
I don’t watch CNN or any news network for that matter

Is the statement wrong?
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Lets just say this. I have lived for many years and have never been arrested for anything. I have one parking ticket and one speeding ticket in my LIFE. The FAR left government of the state I live in is passing laws that are so extreme that I may wake up one day and actually be a violation of many of them. Does that make me a right wing radical extremist? CNN would say "Yes".
 
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Volnanza said:
Let’s just say this. I have lived for many years and have never been arrested for anything. I have one parking ticket and one speeding ticket in my LIFE. The FAR left government of the state I live in is passing laws that are so extreme that I may wake up one day and actually be a violation of many of them. Does that make me a right wing radical extremist? CNN would say "Yes".
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Idc what CNN says and I’m not sure what that has to do with the point

There’s between 3 and 4 million Muslims in the US and there’s been I think 10 terror attacks in the last decade. That’s a veryyyyyyyyyy small %
 
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85SugarVol said:
Interesting. A lot of one offs in there.

I realize why he wants to throw out 9/11 & OKC, but you can’t just ignore those.

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Of course they shouldn’t be ignored but they’re outliers, it skews the numbers. I’d be willing to be the large majority of people would think there’s been much more than 140 killed the last 50 years with less than 40 attackers

Is there a problem with extremism? Of course and there always will be. Is most of it exaggerated and fear porn? Absolutely
 
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Smokey123 said:
I’m understanding the point. As a comparison what % of the US are right wing extremist?
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Depends on who you ask...because feelings not facts are important to Lefties and there are countless examples.

The Democrat Party would probably say 20% or more are "right wing extremist". Any politician who isn't pro- DEI is RWE. Any politician who isn't pro abortion is RWE. Anyone who isn't a Godless atheist is same. The Dems would also say every member of the KKK is RWE even though THEY FOUNDED THE KKK.

You can't have a rational conversation with people who believe men can get pregnant and women have penises. Which the Democrat party wholeheartedly adopted for the entire Biden presidency and still clings to today.

In actuality, a very small % of Americans are RWE. Tiny, statistically insignificant. Probably about as many as there are muslims in the US. 1% maybe. Even that number seems ridiculously high. I have over 1000 contacts in my phone, but I dont know 10 extremists. I dont think that I know any actually. Despite living my entire life here in the South which is supposed to be RWE stomping grounds.

Let's compare terrorists attacks in the last 50years in the US. Let's see which alleged 1% of Americans commits terror attacks on US citizens. No Lefty wants to do that, ever. Neither do these muslims and muslim simps. Despite their delusions they know the actual facts are damning. Muslims rape and murder innocent civilians orders of magnitude more than any other group of people in the West. No amount of semantics, arguing BS, screaming "Islamophobia" etc is gonna make that fact go away.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Depends on who you ask...because feelings not facts are important to Lefties and there are countless examples.

The Democrat Party would probably say 20% or more are "right wing extremist". Any politician who isn't pro- DEI is RWE. Any politician who isn't pro abortion is RWE. Anyone who isn't a Godless atheist is same. The Dems would also say every member of the KKK is RWE even though THEY FOUNDED THE KKK.

You can't have a rational conversation with people who believe men can get pregnant and women have penises. Which the Democrat party wholeheartedly adopted for the entire Biden presidency and still clings to today.

In actuality, a very small % of Americans are RWE. Tiny, statistically insignificant. Probably about as many as there are muslims in the US. 1% maybe. Even that number seems ridiculously high. I have over 1000 contacts in my phone, but I dont know 10 extremists. I dont think that I know any actually. Despite living my entire life here in the South which is supposed to be RWE stomping grounds.

Let's compare terrorists attacks in the last 50years in the US. Let's see which alleged 1% of Americans commits terror attacks on US citizens. No Lefty wants to do that, ever. Neither do these muslims and muslim simps. Despite their delusions they know the actual facts are damping. Muslims rape and murder innocent civilians orders of magnitude more than any other group of people in the West. No amount of semantics, arguing BS, screaming "Islamophobia" etc is gonna make that fact go away.
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Not terrorist attacks silly, you will get called out for Islamophobia, they like calling them resistance freedom fighters.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Interesting. A lot of one offs in there.

I realize why he wants to throw out 9/11 & OKC, but you can’t just ignore those.

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Appreciate you posting this. Even these stats are dubious though. Who gets to define what an RWE is? Or what makes someone Right of center on the spectrum? We are getting to a point where anyone who isn't a Socialist that believes in 47 fictional genders is "far right" if not RWE.

When Bill Clinton would 100% be a middle of the pack Republican today...where is the actual "center"?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
In actuality, a very small % of Americans are RWE. Tiny, statistically insignificant. Probably about as many as there are muslims in the US. 1% maybe. Even that number seems ridiculously high. I have over 1000 contacts in my phone, but I dont know 10 extremists. I dont think that I know any actually. Despite living my entire life here in the South which is supposed to be RWE stomping grounds.

Let's compare terrorists attacks in the last 50years in the US. Let's see which alleged 1% of Americans commits terror attacks on US citizens. No Lefty wants to do that, ever. Neither do these muslims and muslim simps. Despite their delusions they know the actual facts are damning. Muslims rape and murder innocent civilians orders of magnitude more than any other group of people in the West. No amount of semantics, arguing BS, screaming "Islamophobia" etc is gonna make that fact go away.
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I completely agree, RWE make up a very small group of the US. If I had to guess even a smaller group than Muslims (which is why I suspect 8188 stopped responding after telling me I don’t understand math lol)

So if RWE make up a smaller % of our population yet committing more terror attacks than Muslims why is that not talked about? There’s multiple threads talking about dangers of Islam none (that I’ve seen) about RWE. With how much Islamic terrorist attacks are talked about on here you’d think there’d be dozens every year

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Smokey123 said:
Of course they shouldn’t be ignored but they’re outliers, it skews the numbers. I’d be willing to be the large majority of people would think there’s been much more than 140 killed the last 50 years with less than 40 attackers

Is there a problem with extremism? Of course and there always will be. Is most of it exaggerated and fear porn? Absolutely
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I realize the author had to pick a date to start, and “50 years” sounds good.

Recency plays a part with people’s perceptions of “Islamic Terror” (when we ignore 9/11) - it’s almost all in the last 15 years.

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85SugarVol said:
I realize the author had to pick a date to start, and “50 years” sounds good.

Recency plays a part with people’s perceptions of “Islamic Terror” (when we ignore 9/11) - it’s almost all in the last 15 years.

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That’s fair and the threat has risen theres no way around that with an increasing population and growing diversity. No matter when you start it there’s still less Islamic attacks than the other


2014-2016 was a huge jump good grief
 
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Smokey123 said:
That’s fair and the threat has risen theres no way around that with an increasing population and growing diversity. No matter when you start it there’s still less Islamic attacks than the other


2014-2016 was a huge jump good grief
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General perception plays a part as well.

No matter how repugnant the act is, most Americans are not going to see racist little white boy shoot up a black church and equate that with “terrorism”.

At least not the same way they view an Islamist who hops out of van and screams out Allahu Akbar! before killing a bunch of people.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Depends on who you ask...because feelings not facts are important to Lefties and there are countless examples.

The Democrat Party would probably say 20% or more are "right wing extremist". Any politician who isn't pro- DEI is RWE. Any politician who isn't pro abortion is RWE. Anyone who isn't a Godless atheist is same. The Dems would also say every member of the KKK is RWE even though THEY FOUNDED THE KKK.

You can't have a rational conversation with people who believe men can get pregnant and women have penises. Which the Democrat party wholeheartedly adopted for the entire Biden presidency and still clings to today.

In actuality, a very small % of Americans are RWE. Tiny, statistically insignificant. Probably about as many as there are muslims in the US. 1% maybe. Even that number seems ridiculously high. I have over 1000 contacts in my phone, but I dont know 10 extremists. I dont think that I know any actually. Despite living my entire life here in the South which is supposed to be RWE stomping grounds.

Let's compare terrorists attacks in the last 50years in the US. Let's see which alleged 1% of Americans commits terror attacks on US citizens. No Lefty wants to do that, ever. Neither do these muslims and muslim simps. Despite their delusions they know the actual facts are damning. Muslims rape and murder innocent civilians orders of magnitude more than any other group of people in the West. No amount of semantics, arguing BS, screaming "Islamophobia" etc is gonna make that fact go away.
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If Anti-Abortion and Anti-DEI is Right Wing Extremism, give me my badge. I’m strongly against abortion morally. I understand that there is certainly instances where there may be extreme reasons to consider an abortion.

DEI… I have never had to deal with being rejected based on the color of my skin. I’ve never even really had a job interview. I don’t know how prevalent that is in today’s society. What I do know is the highest earning intraprenuer from my graduating class in HS is Black. The highest earning entrepreneur I know from HS quit in 10th grade. If you are great, a company that wants to win will never overlook someone because of their color. (From my personal experience of working with several people of color that were many times smarter than myself and killing it in their fields.)
 
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allstar34 said:
If Anti-Abortion and Anti-DEI is Right Wing Extremism, give me my badge. I’m strongly against abortion morally. I understand that there is certainly instances where there may be extreme reasons to consider an abortion.

DEI… I have never had to deal with being rejected based on the color of my skin. I’ve never even really had a job interview. I don’t know how prevalent that is in today’s society. What I do know is the highest earning intraprenuer from my graduating class in HS is Black. The highest earning entrepreneur I know from HS quit in 10th grade. If you are great, a company that wants to win will never overlook someone because of their color. (From my personal experience of working with several people of color that were many times smarter than myself and killing it in their fields.)
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Most of us here are the same including me.

I am against abortion.
Against DEI.
Against Affirmative action
Against Critical Race Theory garbage
Against "trans" delusions
Against "Climate Change" grift
Against illegal immigration
Against more gun regulations/laws

Thats the negative connotations though. Just as easily could say I am: (easier actually)

Pro Life
Pro equal treatment and opportunity
Pro Biology
Pro honesty
Pro American
Pro Freedom and gun rights.

The Democrat politicians and party would label me and most who post here "far right" and what we believe as "far right extremism" because we dont agree with their ever changing narratives and ever shrinking morals (or lack thereof). Yet there isn't a single "extremist" here on either side as far as I know. Nobody here commits acts of violence based on politics or riots, loots,burns, causes problems in their community.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s only a valid point if you understand nothing about math. Muslims are only about 1% of the country but depending on the data you use you’ll find they commit around 10-20% of the terrorist attacks.

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Don’t be islamaphobic.

Clearly if you look at the top 15 terror groups and the FBI most wanted list you can’t make that distinction.

 
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85SugarVol said:
General perception plays a part as well.

No matter how repugnant the act is, most Americans are not going to see racist little white boy shoot up a black church and equate that with “terrorism”.

At least not the same way they view an Islamist who hops out of van and screams out Allahu Akbar! before killing a bunch of people.
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They don’t but they should. A lot of people really only care about things like this when they can use it for an agenda.

But yes I do agree
 
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Smokey123 said:
I’m understanding the point. As a comparison what % of the US are right wing extremist?
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Why would you count all Muslims but then compare it to only “right wing extremists”? That sounds about as insanely biased as humanly possible and not something you’re capable of quantifying
 
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Smokey123 said:
They don’t but they should. A lot of people really only care about things like this when they can use it for an agenda.

But yes I do agree
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That’s certainly true.

I think part of the perception is they see one as a horrific manifestation of racism/bigotry towards a minority group, the other as political violence/terrorism directed at Americans in general.
 
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Smokey123 said:
I completely agree, RWE make up a very small group of the US. If I had to guess even a smaller group than Muslims (which is why I suspect 8188 stopped responding after telling me I don’t understand math lol)
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You don’t understand math. It’s purely insane to only count “right wing extremists” (a number you can’t quantify), rather than all right wingers and then compare them to all Muslims in general. That’s intentional data manipulation.
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So if RWE make up a smaller % of our population yet committing more terror attacks than Muslims why is that not talked about? There’s multiple threads talking about dangers of Islam none (that I’ve seen) about RWE. With how much Islamic terrorist attacks are talked about on here you’d think there’d be dozens every year

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Because the Muslims committing attacks make up an even smaller percent of the population. Should be obvious to someone who claims to understand math
 
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hog88 said:
What‘s the definition of a right wing extremist?
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His entire “logic” is flawed beyond repair.

“If I compare only an insanely small fraction of right wingers, to all Muslims, I bet their rate of terrorism will be higher!”

It fully and intentionally misses the obvious problem. That for 1% of the population to commit 15% of terrorist attacks, means they’re far more likely to be extremist than right wingers who probably account for around 40% of the population
 
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Vol8188 said:
You don’t understand math. It’s purely insane to only count “right wing extremists” (a number you can’t quantify), rather than all right wingers and then compare them to all Muslims in general. That’s intentional data manipulation.


Because the Muslims committing attacks make up an even smaller percent of the population. Should be obvious to someone who claims to understand math
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your average right winger does not share the same ideology as say a white supremacist. Continue to move the goalposts from my original comment tho
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His entire “logic” is flawed beyond repair.

“If I compare only an insanely small fraction of right wingers, to all Muslims, I bet their rate of terrorism will be higher!”

It fully and intentionally misses the obvious problem. That for 1% of the population to commit 15% of terrorist attacks, means they’re far more likely to be extremist than right wingers who probably account for around 40% of the population
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Nobody said right wingers are extreme or compared Muslims to right wingers
 
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