Manning linked to HGH by Documentary (key witness has recanted)

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JCHateSteve said:
I won't argue that they lack bias. I'm sure they're biased. I just fail to see how running an attention grab article trying to cause a scandle is an attack on American values. American news outlets do that kind of thing all the time. Is TWC attacking American values with their scandle mongering? We all love Peyton but not everything is a political statement. It's an attention grab plain and simple. MSNBC and Fox News run with unfounded speculation all the time. The only real difference is the audience they are selling to. Actual journalism is dead.
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I don't think it has anything to do with anti-American sentiment. This is a chance to scoop a huge story and in a rush to get it out didn't factor in the fact the star witness is not really that reliable.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I won't argue that they lack bias. I'm sure they're biased. I just fail to see how running an attention grab article trying to cause a scandle is an attack on American values. American news outlets do that kind of thing all the time. Is TWC attacking American values with their scandle mongering? We all love Peyton but not everything is a political statement. It's an attention grab plain and simple. MSNBC and Fox News run with unfounded speculation all the time. The only real difference is the audience they are selling to. Actual journalism is dead.
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It's not so much an attack on American values as it is an anti-imperialist perspective that includes American society among the "imperialists." The message that sells extremely well among Al Jazeera's primary audience is that American society (and all the other imperialists) are decadent, destined to fail as a result of their own flaws.

If you're about my age, that last phrase might sound familiar: it's the same refrain (replace "imperialist" with "capitalist") used frequently by communist officials of the USSR in the latter half of the 20th Century. Before their system collapsed from, you know, its own flaws.

What does this have to do with Peyton Manning? Only this: Americans love football, which is a decadent, violent and indulgent pastime practiced by decadent people. Including one Mr. Manning. In exposing the sport's decadence, it is only all the better to drag in one of the sport's most beloved players. Underscores the point nicely.

Al Jazeera didn't set out to attack Peyton. They ran with a mildly scandalous story about a popular US sport, and were happily surprised to find a guy dragging Peyton into the story. That's all.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. I bet 99% of you haven't even seen the documentary.

Peyton Manning is the best QB I've ever seen. I'm not a Peyton fan since his time at UT was before I started watching football. I did however grow up a Titans fan and did watch him destroy the titans all the time. That is where my respect for him as a football player comes from.

Maybe it's because I'm not a blind Manning fan that I can look at the story objectively. If you watch the documentary, I don't know how you can't come away thinking something happened.

This isn't some middle eastern plot to destroy Peyton Manning. This is just a good investigation that happened to name a guy who is a hero for many around here.

Maybe it takes someone like me that is emotionally detached from this to see it for what it is.
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Thanks for talking everyone here off the ledge of blind faith in Manning that would have led to emotional and possibly spiritual destruction.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It's not so much an attack on American values as it is an anti-imperialist perspective that includes American society among the "imperialists." The message that sells extremely well among Al Jazeera's primary audience is that American society (and all the other imperialists) are decadent, destined to fail as a result of their own flaws.

If you're about my age, that last phrase might sound familiar: it's the same refrain used frequently by communist officials of the USSR in the latter half of the 20th Century. Before their system collapsed from, you know, its own flaws.

What does this have to do with Peyton Manning? Only this: Americans love football, which is a decadent, violent and indulgent pastime practiced by decadent people. Including one Mr. Manning. In exposing the sport for being decadent, it is only all the better to drag in one of the sport's most beloved players. Underscores the point nicely.

Al Jazeera didn't set out to attack Peyton. They ran with a mildly negative story about a popular US sport, and were happily surprised to find a guy dragging Peyton into the story. That's all.
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Then we are basically saying the same thing. I just don't see the American cable news outlets as any better. It's all sensationalist BS.

While we are on a political rabbit trail. You shouldn't discount the US's role in the fall of the Soviet Union. We did a masterful job in bankrupting them. We forced then into an arms race their economy couldn't handle. Sadly China is doing something similar to us now. They just use mostly commerce instead of military spending.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. I bet 99% of you haven't even seen the documentary.

Peyton Manning is the best QB I've ever seen. I'm not a Peyton fan since his time at UT was before I started watching football. I did however grow up a Titans fan and did watch him destroy the titans all the time. That is where my respect for him as a football player comes from.

Maybe it's because I'm not a blind Manning fan that I can look at the story objectively. If you watch the documentary, I don't know how you can't come away thinking something happened.

This isn't some middle eastern plot to destroy Peyton Manning. This is just a good investigation that happened to name a guy who is a hero for many around here.

Maybe it takes someone like me that is emotionally detached from this to see it for what it is.
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I couldn't agree with you more, you are emotionally detached
 
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Now that Dobbs4Heisman is here...we got a THREAD!

NOW...we just need skasper06 and we've got a pair to share a ride and a room!!!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I watched the entire documentary and I believed him. First of all, remember the undercover athlete trying to get steroids from him is British. He doesn't know much about American football. All throughout the documentary, Sly keeps asking him do you know this guy do you know that guy and the Brit would say no.

Also Sly didn't name big names first. He didn't say I treated big time nfl stars like Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers (both also linked to this report). He started out by naming former Jets and Dolphins TE Dustin Keller as his first major client. He said they went to high school together and that's when he started experimenting with steroids. And his other major client was a backup on the Packers (Mike Neal) who then told his teammates about Sly which is how he met Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers. And he never said he met Manning. Just that while he worked at Guyer saw tons of HGH get shipped to him all over the country under his wife's name.


I personally found the guy credible during the undecover recording parts. Seemed like a dude that was telling the truth.
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Did you know that gullible isn't really a word? Look it up.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Maybe to save her husband's legacy?

Ashley Manning could kill this Al-Jazeera story right now of she provided a valid medical reason for needing HGH.
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This is pretty unfair to both her and him. She shouldn't have to release any information regarding her health. A story was made up, has been recanted by the guy who said it, the team that worked with him said it was untrue, and so did the office where the guy worked at. Actually he didn't even work there until years later, and even then as an unpaid intern. He isn't going to know precious company secrets such as these. Get real.

You symbolize all that is wrong with the world these days. Everything is one big witch hunt based on limited or inaccurate information, which is then perpetuated to be truth. It's sickening.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Maybe to save her husband's legacy?

Ashley Manning could kill this Al-Jazeera story right now of she provided a valid medical reason for needing HGH.
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Ashley Manning is a private citizen, non celebrity, and has a right to privacy. None of us including you have the right to demand she prove or reveal anything about her medical history, conditions, or procedures she has had.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. I bet 99% of you haven't even seen the documentary.

Peyton Manning is the best QB I've ever seen. I'm not a Peyton fan since his time at UT was before I started watching football. I did however grow up a Titans fan and did watch him destroy the titans all the time. That is where my respect for him as a football player comes from.

Maybe it's because I'm not a blind Manning fan that I can look at the story objectively. If you watch the documentary, I don't know how you can't come away thinking something happened. Easily...

This isn't some middle eastern plot to destroy Peyton Manning. This is just a good investigation that happened to name a guy who is a hero for many around here. No D4H, it's not.

Maybe it takes someone like me that is emotionally detached from this to see it for what it is. Epic fail.
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Josh Dobbs called, he'd like you to stop using his name as a handle until you can stop saying wrong stuff
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Sly was caught on camera in possesion of illegal drugs. He admitting to traffiking in illegal drugs. This is about a lot more than naming names.

I personally think the motivation to lie is stronger in the face of potential criminal prosecution than when you think you are saying something in the privacy of your home.
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Sly is in absolutely NO danger of being criminally prosecuted for ANYTHING just because of what he said on the tapes. That is not how it works. Unless they have drugs in hand (the cops, not a reporter) that Sly gave them or that were illegally provided by someone he could be said to have conspired with, the chances of prosecution are zilch.

Its like admitting to murder when there is no body or even evidence of a person having died except your saying so - not for the record but rather as a brag to your con buddies to give yourself street cred.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. I bet 99% of you haven't even seen the documentary.

Peyton Manning is the best QB I've ever seen. I'm not a Peyton fan since his time at UT was before I started watching football. I did however grow up a Titans fan and did watch him destroy the titans all the time. That is where my respect for him as a football player comes from.

Maybe it's because I'm not a blind Manning fan that I can look at the story objectively. If you watch the documentary, I don't know how you can't come away thinking something happened.

This isn't some middle eastern plot to destroy Peyton Manning. This is just a good investigation that happened to name a guy who is a hero for many around here.

Maybe it takes someone like me that is emotionally detached from this to see it for what it is.
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I saw the documentary. It was nothing but allegations. There wasn't a single fact or shred of evidence presented in the entire piece to incriminate any of the athletes mentioned. It did exactly what it was intended to do-- grab ratings and create controversy that would give a sensationalistic story legs. It was the media at its very worst-- lazy and irresponsible, with a reckless disregard for the truth.
 
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