Manning linked to HGH by Documentary (key witness has recanted)

[BowlBrother85]

Why should I not believe them? Manning has not denied that his wife received HGH from Guyer. All he said is that it's her private medical matter.

If his wife didnt receive HGH from Guyer, why not just say it?

Because she has a right to privacy! The burden of proof for these allegations is not on him. It is on Al Jazeera and they don't have $hit but the word of Sly.

 

[jakez4ut]

Why should I not believe them? Manning has not denied that his wife received HGH from Guyer. All he said is that it's her private medical matter.

If his wife didnt receive HGH from Guyer, why not just say it?

seriously? so by not saying she or he hasn't, then ipso facto, they did? that's a helluva connection there....


and again, you don't know what his wife's medical history is, and nor is it yours mine or anyone else's business.

the funny part is you are doing exactly what they want you to do with this story..........take off , make wild assumptions, and start the conspiracy......

instead of using some logic and thinking on your own....

what's more likely........

 

[VFL-82-JP]

If his wife didnt receive HGH from Guyer, why not just say it?

Because it's none of the world's business what her medical treatment includes, maybe.

Why on earth would anyone dignify this intrusion into personal matters with an actual response?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Right now it's Manning that looks bad since he hasn't refuted the allegations directly.

Manning doesn't look bad to anyone who didn't fall for this false Al Jazeera story.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

D4H, you don't really believe this guy, do you? He falsely tossed out names of some famous former clients of the firm to "establish his creds," not knowing the lie would ever come back to bite him as it has. Now he's coming clean because he knows how precarious his legal/financial position has become.

I must be misunderstanding...you don't think the guy believed what he was saying, do you?

I watched the entire documentary and I believed him. First of all, remember the undercover athlete trying to get steroids from him is British. He doesn't know much about American football. All throughout the documentary, Sly keeps asking him do you know this guy do you know that guy and the Brit would say no.

Also Sly didn't name big names first. He didn't say I treated big time nfl stars like Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers (both also linked to this report). He started out by naming former Jets and Dolphins TE Dustin Keller as his first major client. He said they went to high school together and that's when he started experimenting with steroids. And his other major client was a backup on the Packers (Mike Neal) who then told his teammates about Sly which is how he met Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers. And he never said he met Manning. Just that while he worked at Guyer saw tons of HGH get shipped to him all over the country under his wife's name.


I personally found the guy credible during the undecover recording parts. Seemed like a dude that was telling the truth.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Because it's none of the world's business what her medical treatment includes, maybe.

Why on earth would anyone dignify this intrusion into personal matters with an actual response?

Maybe to save her husband's legacy?

Ashley Manning could kill this Al-Jazeera story right now of she provided a valid medical reason for needing HGH.

 

[TCbodybuilder]

I still don't get why this is a story. Athletes have been taking HGH for around 3+ decades. Damn TMZ type society has everyone in everyone else's business.

 

[thebjd]

I watched the entire documentary and I believed him. First of all, remember the undercover athlete trying to get steroids from him is British. He doesn't know much about American football. All throughout the documentary, Sly keeps asking him do you know this guy do you know that guy and the Brit would say no.

Also Sly didn't name big names first. He didn't say I treated big time nfl stars like Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers (both also linked to this report). He started out by naming former Jets and Dolphins TE Dustin Keller as his first major client. He said they went to high school together and that's when he started experimenting with steroids. And his other major client was a backup on the Packers (Mike Neal) who then told his teammates about Sly which is how he met Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers. And he never said he met Manning. Just that while he worked at Guyer saw tons of HGH get shipped to him all over the country under his wife's name.


I personally found the guy credible during the undecover recording parts. Seemed like a dude that was telling the truth.

This Sly guy was talking out of his rear and his BS caught up with him. He knows it and that is why he re-canted. This story is dead.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The Al-Jazeera pieces also quoted as fact that he was working an an intern during 2011. So if this proves to be a lie, then the whole thing is a lie.

They actually fact checked this during the documentary. They called Guyer and Guyer confirmed that Sly worked for them in 2011.

Its only now AFTER the report has been published that Guyer denies Sly worked there in 2011.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out when Guyer had a motivation to lie and when they didn't.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I haven't watched the piece yet, but it does seem amazing that they ran with this story based on what we now know.

Watch the story first. Everything you know "now" is part of a desperate misinformation campaign. The story is actually very strong and believable.

 

[butchna]

If you keep saying it enough...out of some weird desperation. :loco:

 

[lawgator1]

I think the overwhelming sentiment is hope that it is not true. He's been such a great, pure ambassador for the game. The problem is that we have had sports icons over and over get accused of this, vehemently deny it, then confess. As a result, people are jaded and prepared for the worst.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

here's the thing, i watched Manning's interview with salter's, and to me he sounds pretty genuine.

but i also watched the Al Jazeera piece, and while i think they probably did a pretty good job of exposing this dark world of doping, the whole bit with Sly was just odd.......they way those questions were being asked, and as freely as he was in giving answers.....it almost seemed staged....or at least well edited.

who in their right mind, who was considered by his co conspirators to be "the smart guy", could be at the same time be the worse secret keeper on the planet?

he basically said half of the green bay packers are using......not afraid to name drop with our a care in the world to a guy he just met????

the story was framed well, well produced and provided some good drama....it flowed like a spy movie....the narration didn't hurt either.

in the end, there's a lot of context taken out, there's no back and forth....you get a question, and you get comments from Sly......after editing.

all that said, i don't think there's any doubt that they exposed some folks. but i don't know how believable this whole thing is. even the bit about where you would get HGH if you "qualified" as one needing that prescription....they asked the dr. who would be doing that, an anti aging clinic, and of course, the dr. said no, never, and gave the likely sources of such an prescription.

yet they really didn't offer any proof, except sly's recount of the story that he's now recanted, that anyone ever prescribed, got or took any GH.

just weird. if you're the center of the dark world of doping, how do you get to the point of being able to discuss, in detail, names, drugs, dates, amounts etc....if this is such a clandestine operation, the players suck at the game. it's amazing that they haven't been caught earlier with such porous security....

it looks like all you needed was a little want to, and you could bust this thing wide open. where were you WADA, Yahoo Sports, ESPN, 60 Minutes........anyone?

Remember Sly was trying to get the undercover British guy to recruit other British athletes to join their sports performance company.

So they had a business motivation to get this guy on board even if it meant exposing some of his other clients.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So, you believe Sly was telling the truth because he didn't know he was being taped, but it never occurs to you that a drug dealer would exaggerate and lie about his client list to impress a potential new customer?

How do you prevent whiplash while switching from logical reasoning to obtuseness so quickly?

The guy he was trying to impress is British and he didn't even know half the guys being named. Also for half the documentary the only names Sly dropped were Jets/Dolphins TE Dustin Keller (who he knew in his school) and Packers LB Mike Neal. Not very big names even to American who is a big nfl fan.

I watched the entire documentary and Sly didn't come off as a guy talking a big game. He came off believable. Especially when it came to how he met guys like Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers.

 

[sanddune50]

People who still believe there's still smoke to this story is holding on to too many chromosomes at this point.

 

[thebjd]

D4H is almost as dogged in keeping this story alive as he is in trying to make us believe Dobbs is the greatest QB to ever wear the orange. Bringing Manning down won't lift Dobbs up bro............. Sly himself said he recants everything. At what point is he believable? Is he believable when he is name dropping or is he believable now?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I think the overwhelming sentiment is hope that it is not true. He's been such a great, pure ambassador for the game. The problem is that we have had sports icons over and over get accused of this, vehemently deny it, then confess. As a result, people are jaded and prepared for the worst.

Remember Sly was trying to get the undercover British guy to recruit other British athletes to join their sports performance company.

So he had a business motivation to get this guy on board even if it meant making up crap about famous clients to seem more legitimate.

FYP, D4H. That's how I'm reading reality.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Because she has a right to privacy! The burden of proof for these allegations is not on him. It is on Al Jazeera and they don't have $hit but the word of Sly.

LOL. This isn't a court case, this is public opinion. The burden is on Peyton Manning because it's his legacy on the line.

Just like the burden was on Mark McGwire and all those baseball players that Jose Canseco names as steroid users before any concrete evidence was found.

 

[thebjd]

LOL. This isn't a court case, this is public opinion. The burden is on Peyton Manning because it's his legacy on the line.

Just like the burden was on Mark McGwire and all those baseball players that Jose Canseco names as steroid users before any concrete evidence was found.

Canseco stood behind his accusations until the end. Sly crawfished immediately.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This Sly guy was talking out of his rear and his BS caught up with him. He knows it and that is why he re-canted. This story is dead.

Or maybe he recanted after finding out he was secretly taped?

Its amazing to me that you guys are falling for this. Sly has way more reason to lie NOW than he did to lie when he didn't know he was being recorded.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Canseco stood behind his accusations until the end. Sly crawfished immediately.

On top of which, consider these two utterances:

--> Jose Canseco

--> Sly

Unless the latter is from the Family Stone, the most common response would be "whoTF is that?"

Huge difference in credibility right off the bat, there.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Canseco stood behind his accusations until the end. Sly crawfished immediately.

Sly didn't know he was telling the whole world when he was secretly taped.

Big difference.

 

[thebjd]

Or maybe he recanted after finding out he was secretly taped?

Its amazing to me that you guys are falling for this. Sly has way more reason to lie NOW than he did to lie when he didn't know he was being recorded.

So you admit he is lying? Why does he need to lie now? IF it was true it will be true. Why back track? You are not making sense now.

 

[BowlBrother85]

LOL. This isn't a court case, this is public opinion. The burden is on Peyton Manning because it's his legacy on the line.

Just like the burden was on Mark McGwire and all those baseball players that Jose Canseco names as steroid users before any concrete evidence was found.

People will find reasons to believe what they want to believe for the most part. However, a reasonable person will place a higher standard of proof upon an accuser than what Al Jazeera has met so far. At this point, it really is nothing more than Sly's word (while being secretly recorded) vs Peyton Manning's.

Keeping in mind that Sly initially lied to Al Jazeera about being a pharmacist (he is not).

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

D4H is almost as dogged in keeping this story alive as he is in trying to make us believe Dobbs is the greatest QB to ever wear the orange. Bringing Manning down won't lift Dobbs up bro............. Sly himself said he recants everything. At what point is he believable? Is he believable when he is name dropping or is he believable now?

Ask yourself this. When does a person have a greater motivation to lie? When he is being secretly recorded and doesn't think what he's saying will ever be publicly known? Or after he has become a national story and is in danger of losing his career and potentially his freedom to jail?

I personally think Sly has more motivation to lie now AFTER admitting on hidden camera to engaging in illegal behavior than he did at the time when he didn't think his illegal behavior would be publicly known.