Manning linked to HGH by Documentary (key witness has recanted)

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IngloriousBastard said:
“When I was there, I had never seen the Mannings ever. They were not even living there at that time,” Mr. Sly said. “Someone who worked there said they had been there before. That was the extent of any knowledge I had. I feel badly. I never saw any files. This is just amazing that it reached this point.”"[/B]
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I don't know anything about what the Guyer Institute does or much about hormones, but isn't this around the time that Ashley had the twins? Could that be a reason why they had been there before?
 
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AstonRoyal said:
I don't know anything about what the Guyer Institute does or much about hormones, but isn't this around the time that Ashley had the twins? Could that be a reason why they had been there before?
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That seems like the most plausible explanation.
 
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sanddune50 said:
The fact that people still believe or even entertain this hit piece tells me all I need to know about the mentality of people today. An Arab controlled news channel in America runs a suspect documentary based on one source that immediately recanted on a white male who for the most part had a controversy free career. The same guy is looked up to by many and will go down as a top 5 QB all time in the game. Not hard to see where the motivation stems from.
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So an international news organization that's been around for decades decides that today is the day that it wants to smear Manning and all of this they do not because they got the story but because he's white and they hate America and somehow Manning=NFL=America? :crazy:

Who dreamed that nonsense up and told you to believe it? I don't think he did it but, damn that's a big stinking pile of crazy.
 
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Volbackhomefromtx said:
Normally I stay away from controversial topics but I think this is a good example of the "rush to publish" of the media in the instant gratification age. Here is the case of a man (Sly) who knowingly gave false information to a reporter (Collins) to learn if Collins was legitimate. Rather than doing any investigation to learn whether or not the information about the subject (Peyton) was true which I would have thought is the first thing a journalist would do, Collins did not even check out the reliability of the Sly and published the inflammatory, fictitious story regarding Peyton without checking any sources, likely getting a handsome payment for total and complete bogus hearsay. The victim is taking the heat, the story-originator, Collins, and al-Jazeera have lost credibility, at least for those who pay attention enough to the story to know the facts behind it. Meanwhile, this garbage will always linger in the minds of more people than we care to think as being true. No wonder I am so cynical about what I hear these days.
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The guy's name is "Sly", and you don't check out his story?
 
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So what I want to know is can I get HGH for "anti aging"??




I smell a new PR on my bench press in a few months!
 
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hmhawk said:
I gave ya a like. Wish it could have been a 1000. Anytime I see Al Jazeera or Huffy Post I don't even read it.
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Both these are rags produced by factions that want to damage/destroy all things American, and replace it with either Sharia or Communist ideology respectively. I usually ignore them at best, unless I need to know what the enemy is thinking.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Please watch the story before spewing this ignorance.

They got these guys who were willing to sell steroids and other banned substances ON HIDDEN CAMERAS. This isn't a case of a source on the record renegging on a story.

This was a sting operation. Al-Jazeera got a British Olympic hopeful to go undercover posing as an athlete trying to get an edge by using steroids. Al-Jazeera had hidden cameras and mics on Sly when he admitted that he gave all these athletes banned substances.


If you watch the story in it's entirety, I don't know how you could question it's legitimacy. It was well done. And I gotta say I found Sly believable when he didn't know he was being taped.
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The Al-Jazeera pieces also quoted as fact that he was working an an intern during 2011. So if this proves to be a lie, then the whole thing is a lie.
 
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computergeekvol said:
The Al-Jazeera pieces also quoted as fact that he was working an an intern during 2011. So if this proves to be a lie, then the whole thing is a lie.
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I'm not sure how anything can be designated as credible when the journalist didn't vet someone in the piece fully. How the hell can anyone trust anything in that story as fact? Credibility is easily tarnished and this is one of those cases. Doesn't matter if Clay Matthews was on roids and they caught him red handed, this issue damages the legitimacy of the entire piece.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
So an international news organization that's been around for decades decides that today is the day that it wants to smear Manning and all of this they do not because they got the story but because he's white and they hate America and somehow Manning=NFL=America? :crazy:

Who dreamed that nonsense up and told you to believe it? I don't think he did it but, damn that's a big stinking pile of crazy.
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Yeah, because they only focus on one news story at a time. They aren't an entire channel or anything that reports on multiple topics including sports. And news channels never have agendas. What does length of a news channels existence have to do with how they carry themselves? Guess you believe everything you hear on the news to, don't you? Only crazy person I see is the one taking on the role of a simpleton and contriving his own account of what I said. If you think there isn't an attack on anyone that is not a minority than you just aren't paying attention. Especially when the one's doing the attacking are part of a bigger plan to fundamentally change our country. Probably time for you to go stick you're head back in the sand.
 
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The Indoctrinated said:
But...but...but...Al Jazeera is a RESPECTED and CREDIBLE International News Organization...right up there with The AP, Reuters, BBC, etc.
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So Smart!^^^
 
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KBVol said:
Of course they're trash BTO, you're dead on 100%. Have people forgotten who they are? D4H is likely too young to remember that they were/are the mouthpiece for Middle Eastern despots/totalitarian regimes...including Saddam Hussein when he was still in power in Iraq. As originally constituted, they were an enemy of the state IMO, and the powers that be in our country knowingly welcomed them with open arms to begin their anti-American propaganda within our borders. Of course these days, it'd be difficult to distinguish them from virtually every other Anerican news outlet in the country.
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But we were buddies with Saddam. Does that make America, anti-American? How often have we supported and/or installed our own despots in the MEast and elsewhere? We still it and do it globally.

But we shouldn't talk about that, so long as we've talk-right radio/tv that glosses over it with pseudo-patriotic rhetoric. Meanwhile, there's a cadre of Repub candidates that can't wait to increase military spending and whip us into a lather for another war somewhere, anywhere, while tightening the screws on all these damn liberties we're running around with.

Some of us are old enough to detect the abject hypocrisy and blinkered, staid positions of both the left and right in America. Since we're wandering off topic and all...
 
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sanddune50 said:
And you are kidding yourself or just completely tone deaf if you believe it's that simplistic.
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Really?

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If you think there isn't an attack on anyone that is not a minority than you just aren't paying attention. Especially when the one's doing the attacking are part of a bigger plan to fundamentally change our country.
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I completely agree that this story has an unsavory tabloid feel to it. I just don't think it's for the same reason you do. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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GAVol said:
Really?



I completely agree that this story has an unsavory tabloid feel to it. I just don't think it's for the same reason you do. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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News media is at an all time low at this point in time. Most of the "news" networks have a political/social agenda that has nothing to do with reporting the news. To report this guys ramblings as fact without requiring even the least journalistic work of fact checking says all you need to know about this piece.
 
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MurphyVol said:
I'm a huge Peyton fan and always will be, but my gut tells me this isn't over.

If he did use them for recovery, at a time he wasn't playing and they weren't banned, then a denial makes no sense. Or, the simple explination is that it's not true. I hope this is the case.
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I think it was banned about twenty years earlier than initially reported.
 
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computergeekvol said:
News media is at an all time low at this point in time. Most of the "news" networks have a political/social agenda that has nothing to do with reporting the news. To report this guys ramblings as fact without requiring even the least journalistic work of fact checking says all you need to know about this piece.
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I haven't watched the piece yet, but it does seem amazing that they ran with this story based on what we now know.
 
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VolnJC said:
No mention on ESPN or Drudge...HuffPost writer is getting hammered on her own site for questioning why Mrs. Manning won't tell us what she was taking...looks like a one day story to me
There's Something Strange About Peyton Manning's 'Furious' HGH Denial
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I read that last night and couldn't believe how entitled it was. When did it become anybody's responsibility to tell the general public about the medicine they're taking? Ashley Manning doesn't owe anybody anything.
 
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This could be settled very easily..Guyer and Sly both say that Sly only worked at the clinic for 3 months in 2013...Al Jazeera claims they have confirmation that he worked there in 2011. I teach pharm interns and have to do site visits and document their time so there are plenty of records available at the clinic and the college.
 
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GAVol said:
I read that last night and couldn't believe how entitled it was. When did it become anybody's responsibility to tell the general public about the medicine they're taking? Ashley Manning doesn't owe anybody anything.
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I think a lot of Huff Post's writers are young and aren't paid very much...I remember a writer complaining about the outrage over Cecil the Lion taking attention away from the black lives matter movement.

We Weep For African Lions. But What About Black Lives?
 
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It seems to me that it is likely that there will never be proof positive one way or the other. The wife probably got HGH delivered in her name. There's no way to prove it was for Peyton, or that he used any of it, at this point.
 
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