Manning linked to HGH by Documentary (key witness has recanted)

[GAVol]

I think he is saying she was a patient but not when Sly was there..so that means Sly stole records or talked to employees about her...both violations

That's how I read it.

 

[butchna]

His quote is confusing


Is he saying that Peyton's wife did in fact receive HGH?

I am not sure how anyone can have their medical records "violated" unless that part is true

She was receiving fertility treatments. If they shipped her ANYTHING, there would be a record. Sly could have seen those shipping manifests. I doubt the contents were revealed, but that falls under privacy laws...so even if it were vitamins...her privacy was violated.

 

[VolnJC]

posted this in other thread but thought it was newsworthy here too


“I have no reason to believe these allegations are based in fact or have any truth. In fact, I can say with absolute certainty they are not. I find it extremely disturbing that the source of Al Jazeera’s story, a former unpaid intern named Charles Sly, would violate the privacy of Mrs. Manning’s medical records and be so callous and destructive as to purposely fabricate and spread stories that are simply not true.

“I would emphasize that Mr. Sly was never an employee of the Guyer Institute and his brief three-month internship occurred in 2013 during which time Peyton was not even being treated or present in the office. I think it is obvious that Mr. Sly has fabricated this whole thing for reasons I cannot fathom. I am proud to have treated Peyton and helped him through his rehabilitation. Mr. Manning is one of the most honorable and upstanding individuals I have had the pleasure of knowing.”

Read more at Dale Guyer Of Anti-Aging Guyer Institute Says Charlie Sly Only Interned For 3 Months In 2013

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So it's settled. Al Jazeera and the Huffington Post are not credible.

:::ducks:::

Both have always been trash. This is just yet another conformation.

 

[omghulkhands]

She was receiving fertility treatments. If they shipped her ANYTHING, there would be a record. Sly could have seen those shipping manifests. I doubt the contents were revealed, but that falls under privacy laws...so even if it were vitamins...her privacy was violated.

Gotcha,

So I am going to see if I can connect some dots

So it is assumed she did receive something, but really there is no hard evidence of that. It can only be inferred because neither Peyton Manning nor Guyer deny Ashley Manning was a patient.

I don't know where the fertility treatment stuff is coming from, but I do know that HGH is sometimes used in fertility treatments, however the timeline matters in that hypothesis because Ashley Manning gave birth to twins in spring of 2011

So that means she would have started her fertility treatment right after the birth of the twins and was sadly unsuccessful in bearing another child

 

[NashVol11]

I'm wondering which OP is the genius that can't figure out what "allegations" are?

Oh wait...

The use of HGH is an allegation. The idea that the documentary discusses a connection between Manning to HGH is not an allegation, because that's what the documentary actually does discuss. Saying that it does link them isn't the same as saying that it does prove HGH use.

"Allegedly linked by a documentary" would be something like, "You guys know there's an AJ documentary coming out. Well, according to me and not confirmed by anyone else, it talks about Manning and HGH."

At this point, it seems like everyone that's going to get it already does, but at least I tried.

 

[Catbone]

Any semi-competent attorney would explain the vulnerability of discovery and the inevitable deposition so... he ain't suing

 

[joevol33]

Peyton has enough money. Forget suing, take some friends from the nfl and whip their butts!

 

[butchna]

Gotcha,

So I am going to see if I can connect some dots

So it is assumed she did receive something, but really there is no hard evidence of that. It can only be inferred because neither Peyton Manning nor Guyer deny Ashley Manning was a patient.

I don't know where the fertility treatment stuff is coming from, but I do know that HGH is sometimes used in fertility treatments, however the timeline matters in that hypothesis because Ashley Manning gave birth to twins in spring of 2011

So that means she would have started her fertility treatment right after the birth of the twins and was sadly unsuccessful in bearing another child

Clever smart aleck response to a possibility I presented. I can respect that. . Since you're big on TIMELINES, You are aware that Peyton's neck problem wasn't a SUDDEN issue? He had been trying to evade the invasive option for years and was trying other methods. I don't know if the Guyer Clinic was involved in his treatment prior to the neck fusion but it would fit your TIMELINE requirements if BOTH were patients. IF there were shipments TO ASHLEY after she gave birth, maybe it wasn't an epic failure at spitting out another yungin...Maybe there's follow up care that this clinic helped Ashley with after the twins? Maybe she gorged on HGH and breast fed Peyton AND the brats? :dunno: You seem to have a scientific bent...I'll let you have at it. :salute:

 

[butchna]

Any semi-competent attorney would explain the vulnerability of discovery and the inevitable deposition so... he ain't suing

Oh god! Please turn off Law&Order and get back to making cat screwing music! inch:

 

[omghulkhands]

A certain VN mod was on the enemy bandwagon.:ermm:

First those Muslims came for our freedom

Then they came for our lives

And now....they are coming for our sports idols...

 

[ncvol17]

Consider the liberal rag that wrote this garbage.

Al Jeerza = liberal rag?

 

[Catbone]

Oh god! Please turn off Law&Order and get back to making cat screwing music! inch:

So anyway here's wonderwall

 

[butchna]

So anyway here's wonderwall

:lolabove: that always gets the ferals outside to make rap videos!

 

[sigmundoooz]

I would like to go on record as saying that all those that were on here touting Al Jazeera as a credible/unbiased news source HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY in my eyes.

 

[508mikey]

Smells like a payoff.

And this a troll

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

To think there were numerous VN posters defending Al Jazeera yesterday, as a credible news source, when the story broke!

I hope Peyton legally boxes their jaws in court!!

Did you even see the story?

I watched it tonight. It looked credible. They got this guy and many other "doctors" on hidden cameras admitting to all sorts of illegal stuff. There was even one pro baseball player saying on the hidden camera he used steroids last year.

These guys had their guards down before they knew they were being recorded. Now after the story airs they say they were lying.

IMO you would have to be a fool to believe them now. Just watch the story. Its so obvious that there is some truth to this story.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Normally I stay away from controversial topics but I think this is a good example of the "rush to publish" of the media in the instant gratification age. Here is the case of a man (Sly) who knowingly gave false information to a reporter (Collins) to learn if Collins was legitimate. Rather than doing any investigation to learn whether or not the information about the subject (Peyton) was true which I would have thought is the first thing a journalist would do, Collins did not even check out the reliability of the Sly and published the inflammatory, fictitious story regarding Peyton without checking any sources, likely getting a handsome payment for total and complete bogus hearsay. The victim is taking the heat, the story-originator, Collins, and al-Jazeera have lost credibility, at least for those who pay attention enough to the story to know the facts behind it. Meanwhile, this garbage will always linger in the minds of more people than we care to think as being true. No wonder I am so cynical about what I hear these days.

Please watch the story before spewing this ignorance.

They got these guys who were willing to sell steroids and other banned substances ON HIDDEN CAMERAS. This isn't a case of a source on the record renegging on a story.

This was a sting operation. Al-Jazeera got a British Olympic hopeful to go undercover posing as an athlete trying to get an edge by using steroids. Al-Jazeera had hidden cameras and mics on Sly when he admitted that he gave all these athletes banned substances.


If you watch the story in it's entirety, I don't know how you could question it's legitimacy. It was well done. And I gotta say I found Sly believable when he didn't know he was being taped.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So it's settled. Al Jazeera and the Huffington Post are not credible.

:::ducks:::

If you watched the piece on Al Jazeera it looked very credible. It was basically a hidden camera report. Sort of an inside look into the world of athletic doping. It was not a hit piece aimed at Manning. In fact he only gets mentioned at the end after a long slew of athletes.

The story was about how easily an athlete can get steroids and best the testing. The fact one of the principal characters they were filming undercover mentioned Manning was pure chance.

Putting fandom aside I don't know see how anyone who watched the story could think it was poor journalism or a hit piece. It looked like a very good report IMO.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I would like to go on record as saying that all those that were on here touting Al Jazeera as a credible/unbiased news source HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY in my eyes.

I touted their credibility and after seeing the report my faith on their journalistic integrity hasn't wavered.

Watch the actual story rather than reading the statements from the attorney of a doctor who might be going to jail very soon.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If you watched the piece on Al Jazeera it looked very credible. It was basically a hidden camera report. Sort of an inside look into the world of athletic doping. It was not a hit piece aimed at Manning. In fact he only gets mentioned at the end after a long slew of athletes.

The story was about how easily an athlete can get steroids and best the testing. The fact one of the principal characters they were filming undercover mentioned Manning was pure chance.

Putting fandom aside I don't know see how anyone who watched the story could think it was poor journalism or a hit piece. It looked like a very good report IMO.

Your opinion is noted. Let others have theirs. I have always thought AJ was trash. IMO they always have been and always wil be.

 

[Coug]

Seriously though, all of this is bullcrap, but on a funny note if he had been taking HGH products he ought to get his money back.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Your opinion is noted. Let others have theirs. I have always thought AJ was trash. IMO they always have been and always wil be.

But shouldn't they watch the report before calling it trash?

I would've joined folks ridiculing Al-Jazeera if all I read was this report about the "source" renegging on the story. However, if you watch the story you would see he was no source. The guy was caught on hidden camera admitting to all sorts of illegal behavior. Now that the hidden camera story has come to light he's claiming he lied. Its so pathetic a kid could see through it.

The Al-Jazeera report was CREDIBLE if you watched it.

 

[AmoebaVol]

Gotcha,

So I am going to see if I can connect some dots

So it is assumed she did receive something, but really there is no hard evidence of that. It can only be inferred because neither Peyton Manning nor Guyer deny Ashley Manning was a patient.

I don't know where the fertility treatment stuff is coming from, but I do know that HGH is sometimes used in fertility treatments, however the timeline matters in that hypothesis because Ashley Manning gave birth to twins in spring of 2011

So that means she would have started her fertility treatment right after the birth of the twins and was sadly unsuccessful in bearing another child

This is the part that makes me squirm. If you were going to take HGH, wouldn't it be pretty convenient/smart to have it shipped to your wife for some other treatment so that, if anyone found out, you could hide behind privacy laws?

I don't want to think PM would ever break the rules like that, but ... we all know how bad he wants to win. I'm not saying I think he did it, but it smells fishy enough. It's at least plausible that he did, and I hate that his reputation will take a hit (whether or not it's true).

 

[Jnunn]

Eh, he might but he'd probably lose.

The reason is that in defamation cases, public figures like Manning, have to prove that what was said/communicated was done with "actual malice". Actual malice is a standard that's a bit amorphous. If I recall correctly, it likely means that the speaker said something he knew was wrong, and said it with the intent to harm, and that there was actual quantifiable damage to Manning.

You are very close. Knowledge is one way actual malice can be proven. But it can also be proven when the speaker says something with reckless disregard of whether the information is false or not, basically saying it with no real effort to find out if its true.

In this regard Peyton has a strong case. Clearly Al Jazeera did not properly vet their sources and their own information and proceeded to publish claims that Peyton took HGH. This is "reckless disregard," most likely, as they clearly didnt work hard enough to find the truth. As we know from baseball, there are few claims you can make that are more damaging to an athlete's reputation. Hell, there are athletes who are murderers who have better rep now than former HGH users. This is good enough to find actual malice provided Peyton hires a good attorney, which I'm sure he will.

Source: Torts 1 class