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#326
The foods that people consume Kill many more people than cigarettes do - far more.

Certain foods contribute to the creation of heart disease and diabetes inside the human body, just to name two diseases.
 
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Obsessed said:
I would hope the planes don't "leak" anything.
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They always leak a little. It's designed that way to remove odors and heat. You wouldn't want a completely sealed vessel, trust me on that. Next time you are on an airplane and the goober next to you (or three rows up) decides to let one fly, you will appreciate the air exchange. Pilots have historically liked three pilot cockpits for another reason. When there are 3 of you up there and somebody busts ass, you have no idea who to blame it on, nor can you be blamed. :) With 2 pilot airplanes, there's no doubt who the offender is. Doubly difficult to cover your tracks when the other one is a woman. Just sayin'
 
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n_huffhines said:
He's worried about his insurance premiums. I would bet the lives of all my loved ones that obesity drives up the cost of health care and insurance more than all the illegal drugs combined.
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I am sure that it does. But that is a different problem for a different thread. We are talking about cigarettes that have zero value. Zero. Food is food which is necessary to survival, and it is a straw man to bring it up in this context. You wanna talk about that, then let's talk about it when we are done with smokes.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I have no clue what you're saying. I've never said a "weed smoker" or drug dealer should be in prison to begin with. But should they be able to go back to what they were doing before, yes they should be allowed to smoke or sell. But that has nothing to do with restoring rights to prior felons.

Why should a prior felon not have rights?

And just to clarify I believe child molesters should have all of their same rights too. The only exception being their inability to live near schools or work with children.
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Why do you believe no one should have any further restrictions once released except child molesters? Don't get me wrong I am all for regulating where convicted child molesters work and live, but by believing they should have restrictions, and not any other convicted felon, kind of spits in the face of the whole argument you are making. I don't think you can logically argue that once the time is served one group of felons can go back to what they were doing before except for the one thing you find reprehensible.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I am sure that it does. But that is a different problem for a different thread. We are talking about cigarettes that have zero value. Zero. Food is food which is necessary to survival, and it is a straw man to bring it up in this context. You wanna talk about that, then let's talk about it when we are done with smokes.
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Lol, I don't think you even know what thread this is. We're all over the place and I'm talking about stuff other people are talking about. I quoted for context...
 
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MercyPercy said:
Addictive Properties of Popular Drugs | Drug War Facts

Drugs that cause most harm: Scoring drugs | The Economist

Comparative risk assessment of alcohol, tobacco, cannabis and other illicit drugs using the margin of exposure approach

You are free to do you own research if these do not satisfy your needs. You won't find anything out there that says LSD, shrooms, and ecstasy are more addictive and more harmful than alcohol and tobacco, two of the most addictive and harmful substances up there(along with your favorites, like crack!)

Okay, so your stance is evolving. We shouldn't give the death penalty to weed dealers. So, for the sake of clarity, why don't you specify what drug someone has to be dealing for them to get the death penalty in GG's (scary) world.
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Haha... this is from the first article you linked:

Heroin and cocaine were graded as the two most harmful drugs, whereas Ecstasy/MDMA emerged as one of the least harmful (18th out of 20). Unfortunately, it was unclear how this low harm rating score for Ecstasy/MDMA was given, as they cited no empirical research studies or reviews.

Drug advocates pushing fallacious arguments is nothing new under the sun. And none of your links discussed the chemical altering the brain undergoes from drugs like LSD or Psilocybin. Most of the research you linked focused on addictive properties rather than what they do to your health over the long term. Only the economists article touches on health effects to the user. In that, they rated alcohol above heroin. Well, are these alcoholics or the person who drinks a glass of red wine every couple of days? They didn't qualify that aspect of their research. Moreover, alcohol is going to rate higher because it's legal (more users). These statistics wouldn't pass muster in a STAT 101 course.

To answer your second question, death penalty drugs include:

Heroin
Methamphetamine
Powder Cocaine
Crack Cocaine
LSD
Peyote
PCP
Psilocybin
MDMA
Ketamine
Any prescription drug (usually part of the benzodiazepine or barbiturate family) not prescribed by a doctor.

How Pharmaceuticals Came To Be The 4th Leading Cause Of Death In America | Collective-Evolution
 
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volfanhill said:
I don't think you can logically argue that once the time is served one group of felons can go back to what they were doing before except for the one thing you find reprehensible.
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Why not? Once your time is served you should treated like anyone else.
 
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Silence Dogood said:
The foods that people consume Kill many more people than cigarettes do - far more.

Certain foods contribute to the creation of heart disease and diabetes inside the human body, just to name two diseases.
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Holy ****. We just agreed on something.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes. And the only rights they should lose are those designed to ensure the safety of children. Voting, gun ownership, and everything else should be given back.
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if I am convicted of securities fraud should I be allowed to be back in the banking industry? What if I am convicted of felony malpractice should I be allowed to be a doctor again?
 
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volfanhill said:
if I am convicted of securities fraud should I be allowed to be back in the banking industry? What if I am convicted of felony malpractice should I be allowed to be a doctor again?
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Yes, you should. When take away a persons way to earn money, you simply increase the odds of them becoming repeat offenders.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, you should. When take away a persons way to earn money, you simply increase the odds of them becoming repeat offenders.
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I do understand your rationale on this. However, there has to be a "Big Stick" somewhere down the road for repeat offenders. I don't mean their pen pals big sticks, either. :)
 
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malinoisvol said:
I do understand your rationale on this. However, there has to be a "Big Stick" somewhere down the road for repeat offenders. I don't mean their pen pals big sticks, either. :)
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If such action is taken it should be done by professional organizations, not the government.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I've considered myself a libertarian for a long time. Only on this board (where McCain is seen as a communist) am I considered a liberal.
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I can understand that. I'm very moderate but am called a flaming lib by a few of the extremist posters.
 
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