Malone to the NFL

[de1conley]

What did I say that offended you?

I prefer Sutton and Lewis to every other draft eligible corner. Some guys I question their speed.

Maybe you don't follow the NFL but the guys who get picked first by the scouts aren't always the best.

Look D4H the 2 guys you're bringing up are the like 10th and 11th cb on the board. Guys like Tabor, Wilson, Adoree, Lattimore, Conley, King are more ready right now. Sutton can be very good but he not Lewis are in front of none of the above. This is everyone from Kipper, McShay, to Matt Miller.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Look D4H the 2 guys you're bringing up are the like 10th and 11th cb on the board. Guys like Tabor, Wilson, Adoree, Lattimore, Conley, King are more ready right now. Sutton can be very good but he not Lewis are in front of none of the above. This is everyone from Kipper, McShay, to Matt Miller.

So? You act like they're infallible. I'm watching the NFL this season and a QB drafted in the 4th round is better than the QBs drafted #1 and #2 overall. These draft prognosticators typically are wrong.

I'm not talking about draft order right now. We'll know after the combine where these guys officially stack up. I'm telling you who I think is the best based on what I saw while watching them play. And IMO the best corners I have seen the last 2 years that are eligible for the 2017 draft are Cam Sutton and Jourdan Lewis.

 

[jakez4ut]

i hope they all get drafted. it's about time we see some fresh VFL take the stage in April.

Barnett, Kamara, Maybin, Sutton, Malone, Dobbs and Vareen. hope they all get their name called. hate to see some of the underclassmen go, but nothing helps recruiting like 7 players being drafted in the same draft.

so, i wish them all the best....

 

[vols1215]

D4H i don't cm on here to say much because ppl always want to argue about facts/lies. I got a lot of info last Thursday night as i was there from 930- 230. Curfew was at 10 guys were very disappointed in the trip to Nashville, and were very upset. With that being the mood guys were just venting and spewing out information.

Don't post much but do keep up with the board. You have mentioned several times about players not being happy at UT. Care to go into more details about that? Don't have to go into specifics, playing time? Position changes? Preferential treatment to certain players? Feel like the coaches don't have their back? Being a HS coach I can read between the lines more than most. There was definitely something amiss about this team from the drop. I think the negative article from a few weeks back painted some of the picture, but as they say the truth usually lies somewhere in between. Also, since you obviously have a relationship with some guys, do you think Butch has a chance to win them back? This "team" did not have the same mentality as 2015 for sure. I personally feel like he needs to take the Dabo Swinney route and become a CEO. Don't know if he has that in him, but I think at this point that's his only chance to win big here. I think it's obvious at this point with the play on the field and the slip in recruiting that guys aren't buying in as much as maybe the first few years. The major red flag for me this year was the huge spike in the number of penalties this year as opposed to his first 3. First thing I recognized as a coach that he's lost some of the guys.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Don't post much but do keep up with the board. You have mentioned several times about players not being happy at UT. Care to go into more details about that? Don't have to go into specifics, playing time? Position changes? Preferential treatment to certain players? Feel like the coaches don't have their back? Being a HS coach I can read between the lines more than most. There was definitely something amiss about this team from the drop. I think the negative article from a few weeks back painted some of the picture, but as they say the truth usually lies somewhere in between. Also, since you obviously have a relationship with some guys, do you think Butch has a chance to win them back? This "team" did not have the same mentality as 2015 for sure. I personally feel like he needs to take the Dabo Swinney route and become a CEO. Don't know if he has that in him, but I think at this point that's his only chance to win big here. I think it's obvious at this point with the play on the field and the slip in recruiting that guys aren't buying in as much as maybe the first few years. The major red flag for me this year was the huge spike in the number of penalties this year as opposed to his first 3. First thing I recognized as a coach that he's lost some of the guys.

Agree... and would also appreciate more details!

 

[cncchris33]

So? You act like they're infallible. I'm watching the NFL this season and a QB drafted in the 4th round is better than the QBs drafted #1 and #2 overall. These draft prognosticators typically are wrong.

I'm not talking about draft order right now. We'll know after the combine where these guys officially stack up. I'm telling you who I think is the best based on what I saw while watching them play. And IMO the best corners I have seen the last 2 years that are eligible for the 2017 draft are Cam Sutton and Jourdan Lewis.

Prescott vs. Goff/Wentz is a terrible apples to oranges example for your point. Dak has the best OL in the league, a top-3 RB to take off the pressure, a solid WR corps, and one of the best TEs in NFL history as a safety valve. Goff and Wentz have terrible lines, running games that have talented backs, but again, terrible lines, and very average (at best) WRs.

Prescott has played better, and in time, may bear out to be the better player, but this season certainly isn't proof positive of that long-term. Goff and Wentz were dealt seven/deuce off-suit while Prescott started with pocket aces.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Prescott vs. Goff/Wentz is a terrible apples to oranges example for your point. Dak has the best OL in the league, a top-3 RB to take off the pressure, a solid WR corps, and one of the best TEs in NFL history as a safety valve. Goff and Wentz have terrible lines, running games that have talented backs, but again, terrible lines, and very average (at best) WRs.

Prescott has played better, and in time, may bear out to be the better player, but this season certainly isn't proof positive of that long-term. Goff and Wentz were dealt seven/deuce off-suit while Prescott started with pocket aces.

Funny how Dak keeps getting discounted simply because of where he was drafted. If this was Romo putting up those numbers would you also question whether he's better than Goff and Wentz?

Sorry but Dak is way better than those guys. And its insulting to even mention him in the same breathe as Goff. That guy is an absolute bust and one of the worst QBs I've ever seen in pro football.

 

[Burger]

Funny how Dak keeps getting discounted simply because of where he was drafted. If this was Romo putting up those numbers would you also question whether he's better than Goff and Wentz?

Sorry but Dak is way better than those guys. And its insulting to even mention him in the same breathe as Goff. That guy is an absolute bust and one of the worst QBs I've ever seen in pro football.

The Cowboys have the best center, guard, and tackle in the NFL. That would make any QB look good. Romo did put up good numbers behind those guys.

You really haven't watched much pro football if you think Goff is the one of the worst. Peyton and Elway looked bad in their rookie years. Jeff George looked really good in his rookie year. Can't judge Goff until later.

 

[de1conley]

So? You act like they're infallible. I'm watching the NFL this season and a QB drafted in the 4th round is better than the QBs drafted #1 and #2 overall. These draft prognosticators typically are wrong.

I'm not talking about draft order right now. We'll know after the combine where these guys officially stack up. I'm telling you who I think is the best based on what I saw while watching them play. And IMO the best corners I have seen the last 2 years that are eligible for the 2017 draft are Cam Sutton and Jourdan Lewis.

D4H you didn't watch Sutton this year because he was hurt. Last yr was a drop off year for Sutton. Lewis on the other hand did well this year but He's listed like 11th by the ppl who do this for a living.

 

[cncchris33]

Funny how Dak keeps getting discounted simply because of where he was drafted. If this was Romo putting up those numbers would you also question whether he's better than Goff and Wentz?

Sorry but Dak is way better than those guys. And its insulting to even mention him in the same breathe as Goff. That guy is an absolute bust and one of the worst QBs I've ever seen in pro football.

No, if it were Romo putting up those numbers, it still wouldn't be a discussion because Romo has an entire career worth of statistical success to evaluate, and it's overwhelmingly positive.

So let's swap players and teams. Dak to Los Angeles and Goff to Dallas. You think Dak makes a difference for the Rams? You really think Dak makes Los Angeles a playoff team whereas Goff "failed" to do so? And you've seen Goff play 7 total games as an NFL QB, and you are already calling him "an absolute bust and one of the worst QBs I've ever seen in pro football." He may end up being a bust, but no one, you included, has seen enough to make that statement, and he sure as heck hasn't gotten any help. He plays for one of the worst run organizations in football. Just another of your grossly hyperbolic opinions.

You're a trip man. Your opinion of yourself and your "ability" to evaluate talent is so self-inflated, it's ridiculous. You have literally claimed to know more than most NFL GMs, scouts, and coaches, calling them "idiots" among other things, despite it being their profession. I wish I could buy your opinion for what it's actually worth and sell it for what you think it's worth. I'd be a set for life.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

D4H you didn't watch Sutton this year because he was hurt. Last yr was a drop off year for Sutton. Lewis on the other hand did well this year but He's listed like 11th by the ppl who do this for a living.

Cam Sutton looked like his old self to start the year against App State and Va-Tech. And I liked what I saw in the bowl game. I don't need much tape to see who can play and who can't. Cam Sutton is simply one of the best corners I've ever seen. Like I said early in the season, we should appreciate what we saw because it was the start of a hall of fame pro career.

And FYI these guys who do this for a living are typically wrong. I personally could care less what they say. I rate players on what I see not what someone else tells me.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No, if it were Romo putting up those numbers, it still wouldn't be a discussion because Romo has an entire career worth of statistical success to evaluate, and it's overwhelmingly positive.

So let's swap players and teams. Dak to St. Louis and Goff to Dallas. You think Dak makes a difference for the Rams? You really think Dak makes St. Louis a playoff team whereas Goff "failed" to do so? And you've seen Goff play 7 total games as an NFL QB, and you are already calling him "an absolute bust and one of the worst QBs I've ever seen in pro football." He may end up being a bust, but no one, you included, has seen enough to make that statement, and he sure as heck hasn't gotten any help. He plays for one of the worst run organizations in football. Just another of your grossly hyperbolic opinions.

You're a trip man. Your opinion of yourself and your "ability" to evaluate talent is so self-inflated, it's ridiculous. You have literally claimed to know more than most NFL GMs, scouts, and coaches, calling them "idiots" among other things, despite it being their profession. I wish I could buy your opinion for what it's actually worth and sell it for what you think it's worth. I'd be a set for life.

If Dak was on St. Louis, they would have made the playoffs and Jeff Fisher would still have a job. He's that good a player. And if Goff was on Dallas he would have been benched immediately after Romo got healthy cause he's a scrub.

I don't know why you are acting like what Dak is doing is a fluke. He did the same thing in college. He took Miss St. from SEC doormat to the #1 team in the country for most of the 2014 season. He raised the level of his teammates in college and is now doing the same in the pros. Goff on the other hand accomplished almost nothing of note in college. All he did was put up inflated numbers in a gimmick offense and people put him on a pedestal. I said he was a bust before the draft. And he's done nothing to change my opinion.

 

[cncchris33]

If Dak was on St. Louis, they would have made the playoffs and Jeff Fisher would still have a job. He's that good a player.

So foolish. You couln't find two people in a hundred who'd agree with that statement.

No rookie QB was ever going to turn them into a playoff team. You are putting WAAAAAAY too much importance on a single player. Peyton Manning took the Colts to a 3-13 record as a rookie. Is Dak better than Peyton? By your logic, you'd have to say yes.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So foolish. You couln't find two people in a hundred who'd agree with that statement.

No rookie QB was ever going to turn them into a playoff team. You are putting WAAAAAAY too much importance on a single player. Peyton Manning took the Colts to a 1-15 record as a rookie. Is Dak better than Peyton? By your logic, you'd have to say yes.

Dak Prescott took Miss St from the cellar in the SEC West to the #1 team in the country for half a season. He's done it before.

And FYI I think the Rams are a talented football team. This would not be a scenario like the Colts. St. Louis has one of the most talented defenses in the NFL and they have one of the most talented RBs. It was terrible QB play that cost them wins not an overall lack of talent on the roster.

Put any quality starting QB on that team and they make the playoffs. I believe Dak is a quality starting QB hence I believe he gets them to the playoffs.

 

[cncchris33]

Dak Prescott took Miss St from the cellar in the SEC West to the #1 team in the country for half a season. He's done it before.

And FYI I think the Rams are a talented football team. This would not be a scenario like the Colts. St. Louis has one of the most talented defenses in the NFL and they have one of the most talented RBs. It was terrible QB play that cost them wins not an overall lack of talent on the roster.

Put any quality starting QB on that team and they make the playoffs. I believe Dak is a quality starting QB hence I believe he gets them to the playoffs.

The Rams do have a top half defense and a good RB, things I have already noted. But they have an awful OLine, which negates Gurley's ability and is a death blow to any rookie QB. Same as the Colts back in 98.

Dallas, on the other hand, has the best OLine in the league. That is THE big difference that you don't want to apparently acknowledge. Dallas also has Jason Witten, Dez Bryant, and Cole Beasley, all of which makes a QBs job much easier.

Again, Dak may play out as the better QB long-term, but to compare him and Goff right now and make an assessment after one year is nothing more than a guess because they aren't playing on equal footing.

 

[JACK8254]

Per several sources on twitter.

Awful decision IMO.

I'm going to assume Marquez North's agent got ahold of him......

He is a great kid- hope he makes a ton of money. Class act and will be missed.

 

[BearCat204]

Cam Sutton looked like his old self to start the year against App State and Va-Tech. And I liked what I saw in the bowl game. I don't need much tape to see who can play and who can't. Cam Sutton is simply one of the best corners I've ever seen. Like I said early in the season, we should appreciate what we saw because it was the start of a hall of fame pro career.

And FYI these guys who do this for a living are typically wrong. I personally could care less what they say. I rate players on what I see not what someone else tells me.

Still at it I see

 

[de1conley]

So foolish. You couln't find two people in a hundred who'd agree with that statement.

No rookie QB was ever going to turn them into a playoff team. You are putting WAAAAAAY too much importance on a single player. Peyton Manning took the Colts to a 3-13 record as a rookie. Is Dak better than Peyton? By your logic, you'd have to say yes.

The stuff d4h says is unreal Chris he lives in LaLa land

 

[Burger]

The stuff d4h says is unreal Chris he lives in LaLa land

Did you see my post in the Barnett about Barnett?

 

[Evet Vols]

im shocked at the upperclassmen especially 5* &4* mass exodus from our team. I don't get why North left and I see Malone as the same type. He's good, could be special. If he's not special in college then why does he think he'll be drafted in the first two rounds?

There's a reason we keep losing 4 and 5 star players.

They want the money now. North made a mistake Malone will make it.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The Rams do have a top half defense and a good RB, things I have already noted. But they have an awful OLine, which negates Gurley's ability and is a death blow to any rookie QB. Same as the Colts back in 98.

Dallas, on the other hand, has the best OLine in the league. That is THE big difference that you don't want to apparently acknowledge. Dallas also has Jason Witten, Dez Bryant, and Cole Beasley, all of which makes a QBs job much easier.

Again, Dak may play out as the better QB long-term, but to compare him and Goff right now and make an assessment after one year is nothing more than a guess because they aren't playing on equal footing.

It doesn't matter. Goff has been miserable. Its not that I'm saying because Dak has performed better he's better. I'm saying given the circumstances Goff has been much worse than the expectations and Dak much better.

For goodness sakes Dak beat out a 100 million dollar QB for the Cowboys starting job. To continue to downplay his success is ridiculous. He's not just managing games. He's making plays. He's been a difference maker. And he's sent Tony Romo packing.

Goff would have never been capable of doing that.

 

[Burger]

It doesn't matter. Goff has been miserable. Its not that I'm saying because Dak has performed better he's better. I'm saying given the circumstances Goff has been much worse than the expectations and Dak much better.

For goodness sakes Dak beat out a 100 million dollar QB for the Cowboys starting job. To continue to downplay his success is ridiculous. He's not just managing games. He's making plays. He's been a difference maker. And he's sent Tony Romo packing.

Goff would have never been capable of doing that.

The only reason Dak started was because Romo got hurt.

 

[cncchris33]

It doesn't matter. Goff has been miserable. Its not that I'm saying because Dak has performed better he's better. I'm saying given the circumstances Goff has been much worse than the expectations and Dak much better.

For goodness sakes Dak beat out a 100 million dollar QB for the Cowboys starting job. To continue to downplay his success is ridiculous. He's not just managing games. He's making plays. He's been a difference maker. And he's sent Tony Romo packing.

Goff would have never been capable of doing that.

The expectation was never that Goff was going to come in and turn the awful Rams offense around in year 1. So what expectations are you talking about? Also, Goff was never viewed as a guy who would come in and light the NFL on fire. It was well-known he needed some seasoning. The Rams believe he had the highest ceiling of the 2016 QB class. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but to judge him on 7 games playing in an awful offense with pretty lousy receiving weapons and a poor OLine is foolish.

Dak only got the starting gig in Dallas because Romo suffered a significant back injury in preseason, and then his backup, Kellen Moore was injured as well. If Romo and Moore were healthy, Dak wasn't seeing the field. Don't act like he just outright beat Romo head-to-head, because that isn't true. Romo got the Bledsoe treatment and took it like a winner and gentlemen. Dak played well this year, no doubt, but he didn't do anything Romo wouldn't have done, all things being equal.

That isn't downplaying his success. It is explaining that he is a product of a much better constructed team, and offence in particular. Dak didn't make the Cowboys what they are this year, and if anything, the opposite is more likely true. If you believe otherwise, you're a fool. The Dak=MVP talk is silly. If he weren't a rookie, he wouldn't even be in the conversation. He's 19th in passing yards and tied for 15th in passing TDs. I respect what he's done, but I'm not in awe of it.