Mac vs PC (split)

New iMac announced today. Ditches the optical drive. Has a super slim angle profile but still bevels out some toward the center. Looks sleek. I'm not really a fan of not having an optical drive though. Not so much because I use it all the time but because I want if I'm given a disc or need to burn one for some one.

Fusion Drive (SSD/HDD) sounds awesome. Its a hybrid drive the learns what you use the most and automatically moves apps and files to and from the flash memory for higher performance.

Ditching the optical drive is dumb. Never understood that. People can't play DVD's on it, which is something very practical for a lot of people.

That Fusion drive is nothing more than a standard hard drive, with a SSD for a cache drive. If the SSD goes bad, you still have your OS, but with a lot of those hybrid drives the SSD will cache files you regularly use and you will lose those, if they aren't backed up on the main drive. Much better option to go SSD with an external backup drive using Time Machine.
 
Ditching the optical drive is dumb. Never understood that. People can't play DVD's on it, which is something very practical for a lot of people.

That Fusion drive is nothing more than a standard hard drive, with a SSD for a cache drive. If the SSD goes bad, you still have your OS, but with a lot of those hybrid drives the SSD will cache files you regularly use and you will lose those, if they aren't backed up on the main drive. Much better option to go SSD with an external backup drive using Time Machine.

According to their presentation the OS is on the flash memory and the HDD is more for storage. Mountain Lion then automatically moves applications and files that you use the most to the flash side for faster performance, vice versa moves stuff you don't access often back to the HDD.

As for the optical drive, I understand why they are trying to guide the market away from that technology. In some ways it makes sense. DVDs are on the verge of becoming obsolete as more and more people get accustomed to streaming. (The head of Samsungs Blu-Ray division even said as much as soon as the format battle with HDDVD was over.) Not many people buy CDs anymore except audiophiles who play them on high end stereos any way. Same goes for software too. All of that content can be acquired via the Internet. And oh yeah, Apple has a whole ecosystem built for that (and if you are on PC, so does Amazon and google). USB flash drives and cloud services such as dropbox make burning discs for transporting data pointless.

The ONLY reason I personally would absolutely need one is when we have professional pictures done and the photographer gives us a disc. Then I upload the pictures and the disc goes in a box. On the other side of that coin if I were the photographer I would need to make the discs. However, if it were me, I would look for ways to integrate downloading from my website.
 
According to their presentation the OS is on the flash memory and the HDD is more for storage. Mountain Lion then automatically moves applications and files that you use the most to the flash side for faster performance, vice versa moves stuff you don't access often back to the HDD.

As for the optical drive, I understand why they are trying to guide the market away from that technology. In some ways it makes sense. DVDs are on the verge of becoming obsolete as more and more people get accustomed to streaming. (The head of Samsungs Blu-Ray division even said as much as soon as the format battle with HDDVD was over.) Not many people buy CDs anymore except audiophiles who play them on high end stereos any way. Same goes for software too. All of that content can be acquired via the Internet. And oh yeah, Apple has a whole ecosystem built for that (and if you are on PC, so does Amazon and google). USB flash drives and cloud services such as dropbox make burning discs for transporting data pointless.

The ONLY reason I personally would absolutely need one is when we have professional pictures done and the photographer gives us a disc. Then I upload the pictures and the disc goes in a box. On the other side of that coin if I were the photographer I would need to make the discs. However, if it were me, I would look for ways to integrate downloading from my website.

After I read about the Fusion Drive, it seems even more like a bad idea. If it houses your OS, most used Apps, and photos, if that drive goes bad, you can lose everything. Also, replacing the drive would be a pain, and data recovery would be nil with a SSD. They need to just go with an Intel SSD and a standard hard drive separately. This is just another way to make people think their data is safe, versus backing it up. There are still a lot of people who don't use the iCloud, or use any type of backup period. If Time Machine is this great backup, just set it to go there, and map the documents, photos, and music to go there as well. I do this all the time with the custom dual drive systems I sell.
 
I don't think the point of the fusion drive is about backing up your data, it's about performance. It doesn't act as two separate drives that you manually manage. Using time machine for backing up to an external HD would still be the smart thing to do. iCloud can be used to retrieve some stuff in an emergency situation but I wouldn't count on it as a backup. Any apps that are purchased in the app store can always be redownloaded (installed on multiple machines).
 
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I don't think the point of the fusion drive is about backing up your data, it's about performance. It doesn't act as two separate drives that you manually manage. Using time machine for backing up to an external HD would still be the smart thing to do. iCloud can be used to retrieve some stuff in an emergency situation but I wouldn't count on it as a backup. Any apps that are purchased in the app store can always be redownloaded (installed on multiple machines).

The Fusion Drive is like any other hybrid out there though, if the controller dies, you lose both drives. Don't like the tech, and probably never will.
 
I'm gonna need a new comp in the next year here, my Vaio is finally starting to really show its age. Probably going to go with a MacBook.
 
How many of you guys realize the biggest difference between a Mac and a PC is just the operating system? The argument should be Windows vs OSX. They both use the same manufacturers. Foxconn being the biggest player in motherboard manufacturing for both(laptops obviously), Intel and AMD for CPUs, RAM manufacturers are mostly Micron, Samsung, or Kingston.

You can buy a cheap PC (with parts inside to justify it), you can't buy a cheap Mac. You can however buy a PC that's better than any Macbook(concerning hardware) but you'll pay for it as well. I will say Macs are a bit overpriced when comparing similar hardware on a PC but you also get a better warranty and as far as I know great customer service.
 
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How many of you guys realize the biggest difference between a Mac and a PC is just the operating system? They both use the same manufacturers. Foxconn being the biggest player in motherboard manufacturing for both, Intel and AMD for CPUs, RAM manufacturers are mostly Micron, Samsung, or Kingston.

You can buy a cheap PC (with parts inside to justify it), you can't buy a cheap Mac. You can however buy a PC that's better than any Macbook(concerning hardware) but you'll pay for it as well. I will say Macs are a bit overpriced when comparing similar hardware on a PC but you also get a better warranty and as far as I know great customer service.

You summed it up right there in the bolded.

Also OSX is just more fun to use than windows. If you have other apple products the seamless and hassle free integration can't be beat.

Also when it comes to laptops OSX is much lighter on the battery drain than windows as well. The upgrades announced in Mavericks yesterday will increase that even more.
 
Just bought a MacBook Pro. Love it so far. Night and day difference between it and a PC

I still have mine from 2008. Still runs great, just really full on memory lol. The disc drive did crap out on me. I suspect it was from my backpack falling off the hinge in the bathroom stall while I was crapping out in Dunford lol.
 
Airplay streams stuff from your devices to your tv through Apple TV. Router is for Wifi

I misunderstood. You can use apple airport to do AirPlay too. I guess AppleTV would be best if it were your only media source for Netflix & such.
 
I misunderstood. You can use apple airport to do AirPlay too. I guess AppleTV would be best if it were your only media source for Netflix & such.

I don't have Apple TV, but some friends do. If you have movies on your Mac, etc, you can stream them wirelessly. I believe it also acts as a mirror, so you can use your tv as a giant monitor. Would be pretty cool to stream games through ESPN3, etc.
 
I don't have Apple TV, but some friends do. If you have movies on your Mac, etc, you can stream them wirelessly. I believe it also acts as a mirror, so you can use your tv as a giant monitor. Would be pretty cool to stream games through ESPN3, etc.

I have the lightning to av adapter & it works well too. When I was in Tennessee around Memorial Day I used my iphone to stream the UFC fight. A little less convenient but works really well.
 
I have the lightning to av adapter & it works well too. When I was in Tennessee around Memorial Day I used my iphone to stream the UFC fight. A little less convenient but works really well.

That's cool. I didnt know you could stream from iphone to tv through a cord. I used to use an mini port to HDMI cord to do it through my MacBook, but wireless would be much easier
 

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