Mac vs PC (split)

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Sith Vol said:
I believe it's $500 more per increment. I was messing around yesterday making a custom New Pro and added the monster 756 gb SSD and it increased price $500.

They are worth it though. I couldn't imagine going back to a hdd after having an Air with SSD. It's super fast.
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Not a deal breaker for most people,but I bet the SSD drive,or at a minimum the connector will be proprietary.

Most of the read/write speeds I've seen on the next generation MBP are as advertised speed wise. Probably the Samsung 830 series with those type speeds.
 
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orangepeel said:
Not a deal breaker for most people,but I bet the SSD drive,or at a minimum the connector will be proprietary.

Most of the read/write speeds I've seen on the next generation MBP are as advertised speed wise. Probably the Samsung 830 series with those type speeds.
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I doubt that Mac will have a proprietary SSD connector/controller. It will be SATA 3. The two best SSD companies on the market right now are Intel and Plextor.
 
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Sith Vol said:
I believe it's $500 more per increment. I was messing around yesterday making a custom New Pro and added the monster 756 gb SSD and it increased price $500.

They are worth it though. I couldn't imagine going back to a hdd after having an Air with SSD. It's super fast.
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You're happy with it? I have a 6 year old macbook that needs to be replaced and I was thinking about getting a SSD for the first time but wasn't sure if it was worth the additional cost.
 
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dukes_of_maggard said:
You're happy with it? I have a 6 year old macbook that needs to be replaced and I was thinking about getting a SSD for the first time but wasn't sure if it was worth the additional cost.
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You need to make sure that the controller that's on the SSD is compatible with your Mac. The Marvell controllers are usually the most compatible with the Mac.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I doubt that Mac will have a proprietary SSD connector/controller. It will be SATA 3. The two best SSD companies on the market right now are Intel and Plextor.
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Are you talking about speed? I've modded probably 50 Macs (to resell ,not keep) with SSD's and find they all have issue's as far as reliability sometimes,though the've all gotten a lot better.I've had less DOA's with Samsung and Intel.The Crucial M4 is pretty reliable too.
 
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dukes_of_maggard said:
You're happy with it? I have a 6 year old macbook that needs to be replaced and I was thinking about getting a SSD for the first time but wasn't sure if it was worth the additional cost.
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I'm not Sith,but yes they're worth it.They can be had pretty cheap now days if you catch them on sale at Newegg or some place similar.
 
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orangepeel said:
Are you talking about speed? I've modded probably 50 Macs (to resell ,not keep) with SSD's and find they all have issue's as far as reliability sometimes,though the've all gotten a lot better.I've had less DOA's with Samsung and Intel.The Crucial M4 is pretty reliable too.
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I wonder if that has to do with the driver code more than anything. It's one of the reasons that Mac's have issues with things tested to work with Windows machines.
 
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VolnTitan said:
But if you have heavy lifting, like video/audio work, this is a great machine.
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The Pro term is being used pretty loosely by Apple.

Any Core i7 Windows box can be had cheap,and then you can hack a cheap Nvidia card to incorporate CUDA with Adobe Premiere for Video/Audio. I guess if you're make a living with Final Cut than you're stuck with buying a $2500 Pro version of some flavor of the Mac lineup with a quad i7.

I use my Dell for heavy lifting,and use my Macs to surf,bit torrent,music,etc. I gave up on Final Cut because X is lagging behind Adobe,so a cheap $750-1200 PC is all I need for heavy lifting.

Yes, I agree Windows boxes look like poo,but we are talking heavy lifting,not the look at me at Starbucks I'm using iMovie and iphoto with my MBP.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I wonder if that has to do with the driver code more than anything. It's one of the reasons that Mac's have issues with things tested to work with Windows machines.
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It could be. Most of my DOA's where back when SSD's where really expensive. It's seems they've got the reliability under control now,or like you said the driver code had been worked out.

Kinda off that subject,but I'll be glad when somebody build a Thunderbolt card for a Windows machine. I have a Dell that I can't use with my Thunderbolt display. I know Intel released the Thunderbolt tech to Windows awhile back,so I figure ASUS or somebody will put one out soon....I hope!
 
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orangepeel said:
It could be. Most of my DOA's where back when SSD's where really expensive. It's seems they've got the reliability under control now,or like you said the driver code had been worked out.

Kinda off that subject,but I'll be glad when somebody build a Thunderbolt card for a Windows machine. I have a Dell that I can't use with my Thunderbolt display. I know Intel released the Thunderbolt tech to Windows awhile back,so I figure ASUS or somebody will put one out soon....I hope!
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Actually, the old Sandforce controllers were terrible, and had extreme bugs in them, especially in the OCZ drives. The newer drives with Sandforce controllers are MUCH better, and I think that has to do with the NAND in them as well. Intel makes some sweet firmware as well.

I thought that Apple owned the patent or part of the tech of the Thunderbolt, which is why you won't see it hooked up to a PC?? I've never used one, so I can't be exactly for sure either.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Yeah - which has nothing to do with what the poster claimed.. but anyway its stupid.. mac's are thin as it is.. and if you want something more portable you buy an IPad so it doesn't make any sense.. it makes about as much sense as Steve Jobs not supporting flash. There are still several instances where people will want an optical drive and if they say otherwise they're just being stubborn or don't care to spend the extra money.. and unless you have a desktop to go along with a laptop - I'd also be pissed at not having an ethernet port.
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What? Flash has been a boil on the arse of everyone with a computer for more than a decade. Everyone will benefit because Steve Jobs effectively killed it. If you have an Android phone, its performance will be vastly better playing web content going forward -- BECAUSE Jobs held firm on Flash. If he had caved, then Flash would have been with us forever. With all its awful 1995 code, all its memory usage, all its battery-hogging performance, all of it. Apple holding the line on Flash is the only thing that could have killed it. Thank God they did. Tech-savvy users were using Flash-blockers for years before the iPhone ever came out.

Too bad about all the restaurant websites though.
 
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dukes_of_maggard said:
You're happy with it? I have a 6 year old macbook that needs to be replaced and I was thinking about getting a SSD for the first time but wasn't sure if it was worth the additional cost.
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Yes. I love my Air's SSD. I'll try to not go back to a standard hdd as long as I can help it. They are a lot faster.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Actually, the old Sandforce controllers were terrible, and had extreme bugs in them, especially in the OCZ drives. The newer drives with Sandforce controllers are MUCH better, and I think that has to do with the NAND in them as well. Intel makes some sweet firmware as well.

I thought that Apple owned the patent or part of the tech of the Thunderbolt, which is why you won't see it hooked up to a PC?? I've never used one, so I can't be exactly for sure either.
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Nah. Intel is the company that owns the rights to it. Apple helped them develop and integrate into their products. More computer companies will have it as time progresses I would imagine.
 
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dukes_of_maggard said:
You're happy with it? I have a 6 year old macbook that needs to be replaced and I was thinking about getting a SSD for the first time but wasn't sure if it was worth the additional cost.
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It's the kind of thing where it's not that big a deal until you get used to it, and then you could never even imagine going back. Sort of like using OS X in the first place. I didn't even like it that much for months after buying my first Mac, and then I had to go back and try to fix a complicated problem on my wife's Windows box and it made me want to shoot myself. (Or, if you want to go further back, Windows 95 and Windows 3.X. Thought 95 was only okay for a few months, got a job where I had to use a Win 3.X computer instead, completely changed my mind about Win 95.) You don't notice how much better an SSD is until you have to work on a machine that has the system on a hard drive. The whole computer is syrupy.

My main machine now is an iMac with an SSD boot and a HDD for data. I will never own a computer that doesn't at least boot from an SSD again.
 
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I've heard some decent things about the new premier. One of out editors is starting to use it. We aren't touching the new final cut. I'm not a big fan of final cut to begin with. I'm more used to avid and we use macs for all our file compressions. Too many folks buy a computer and a program and think "I'm an editor!". I would say a big chunk of our business is spent polishing turds.
 
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Sith Vol said:
Nah. Intel is the company that owns the rights to it. Apple helped them develop and integrate into their products. More computer companies will have it as time progresses I would imagine.
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I wonder if it's an exclusive product for Mac, and they signed some sort of deal to keep it like that?? Seems like that would be more likely, especially with all the other monitor manufactures out there.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
What? Flash has been a boil on the arse of everyone with a computer for more than a decade. Everyone will benefit because Steve Jobs effectively killed it. If you have an Android phone, its performance will be vastly better playing web content going forward -- BECAUSE Jobs held firm on Flash. If he had caved, then Flash would have been with us forever. With all its awful 1995 code, all its memory usage, all its battery-hogging performance, all of it. Apple holding the line on Flash is the only thing that could have killed it. Thank God they did. Tech-savvy users were using Flash-blockers for years before the iPhone ever came out.

Too bad about all the restaurant websites though.
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My point was that it's a ***** not to have it on my phone - not that flash is awesome.
 
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I use a crucial m4 I think. Almost went with a cheaper OCZ but glad I didn't. I use it to boot up and I usually put my two primary games at the time on it as well as small programs I use often. I made sure to routed my desktop/downloads/pictures/documents/videos/etc to my 2 TB raid0 HDD so still have Atleast 60giga available on my SSD at all times.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It's the kind of thing where it's not that big a deal until you get used to it, and then you could never even imagine going back. Sort of like using OS X in the first place. I didn't even like it that much for months after buying my first Mac, and then I had to go back and try to fix a complicated problem on my wife's Windows box and it made me want to shoot myself. (Or, if you want to go further back, Windows 95 and Windows 3.X. Thought 95 was only okay for a few months, got a job where I had to use a Win 3.X computer instead, completely changed my mind about Win 95.) You don't notice how much better an SSD is until you have to work on a machine that has the system on a hard drive. The whole computer is syrupy.

My main machine now is an iMac with an SSD boot and a HDD for data. I will never own a computer that doesn't at least boot from an SSD again.
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This.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I wonder if it's an exclusive product for Mac, and they signed some sort of deal to keep it like that?? Seems like that would be more likely, especially with all the other monitor manufactures out there.
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IIRC, Intel agreed to let Thunderbolt be exclusive to the Mac for the first year in return for Apple's collaboration in its development. That gave Apple enough time to introduce it throughout its Mac lineup before any PC could get it. But that year is over and the PC world can now adopt it if it so chooses. Acer just released a new ultrabook that has it.
 
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SGMVols said:
IIRC, Intel agreed to let Thunderbolt be exclusive to the Mac for the first year in return for Apple's collaboration in its development. That gave Apple enough time to introduce it throughout its Mac lineup before any PC could get it. But that year is over and the PC world can now adopt it if it so chooses. Acer just released a new ultrabook that has it.
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One would hope that Intel would adopt this in favor of USB 3.0, just to give them a leg up on the storage wars. Imagine an external SSD, plus the Thunderbolt tech.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Just downloaded and installed Linux Mint 13 Cinnamon. Awesome OS, and Wine works well in it too.
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Do you use ubuntu ever? Im planning on installing it on an old Toshiba laptop I have just to tinker. The web app demo I played with was very similar to OSX.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Do you use ubuntu ever? Im planning on installing it on an old Toshiba laptop I have just to tinker. The web app demo I played with was very similar to OSX.
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I have used Ubuntu through several distros, but have converted to Linux Mint. Mint is based off of Ubuntu, and is much faster and has the same software library. Get the 32-bit version of Cinnamon for Mint.
 
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