LSU vs Coastal Carolina

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AthensVol2007 said:
When was it explained to him? The warning was given from the plate after a pitch and he came up the steps and asked “what for” and was already being told to stay put while trying to get the explanation. The warning and ejection timeline was no more than 20 seconds apart.
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It was actually the umpire's attitude that caused the escalation. It should have been a simple explanation of why the warning was issued followed by neither coach being ejected.

All the umpire needed to do was to stop and explain the warning to the head coach rather than shooing him away without an explanation.
 
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preacherman20 said:
So a legitimate question. Would UT fans be just as mad if it has been Johnson or DVH that got ejected for this or is it just that for some reason so many UT fans were Coastal fans this weekend?

I called it when it was happening. When the umpires explains and then tells you to go back to the dugout for complaining in the first inning about pitches, you deserve to get gone. How do you allow yourself and your assistant to both get ejected in the first inning of a championship game over balls and strikes in the first inning? He claimed in the press conference that he never bumped anyone but the other umpire in the picture is having to hold him off which is considered bumping.
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Yes. The problem is that he told the coach to go back to the dugout for 'asking what the warning was for'. It was the assistant that originally complained about the balls and strikes.

And to be honest, not sure why questioning balls and strikes warrants any type of ejection.
 
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preacherman20 said:
So a legitimate question. Would UT fans be just as mad if it has been Johnson or DVH that got ejected for this or is it just that for some reason so many UT fans were Coastal fans this weekend?

I called it when it was happening. When the umpires explains and then tells you to go back to the dugout for complaining in the first inning about pitches, you deserve to get gone. How do you allow yourself and your assistant to both get ejected in the first inning of a championship game over balls and strikes in the first inning? He claimed in the press conference that he never bumped anyone but the other umpire in the picture is having to hold him off which is considered bumping.
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The issue with baseball is that umpires are far enough from the dugout that sometimes things need to be explained. In basketball, the coach is on the court, and in football, there is an official on every sideline.

I don't know why we have to treat umpires with kid gloves. There has to be some communication and some leeway because it's a game where people disagree with calls.

All the umpire has to do is going over to the coach, explain the warning, tell him he disagrees with missing 3 pitches, and it's time to move on. "I have now given you a warning, and I won't eject you if you will take my answers and get back in the dugout." This isn't difficult, but some of these rules and some umpires make it difficult.
 
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VolGee4 said:
The issue with baseball is that umpires are far enough from the dugout that sometimes things need to be explained. In basketball, the coach is on the court, and in football, there is an official on every sideline.

I don't know why we have to treat umpires with kid gloves. There has to be some communication and some leeway because it's a game where people disagree with calls.

All the umpire has to do is going over to the coach, explain the warning, tell him he disagrees with missing 3 pitches, and it's time to move on. "I have now given you a warning, and I won't eject you if you will take my answers and get back in the dugout." This isn't difficult, but some of these rules and some umpires make it difficult.
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It was brutally hot.
 
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He got his explanation. He did not get ejected until he said you have missed 3. Questioning balls and strikes in first inning and then telling him he missed 3 will normally get you ejected. I don't see why this is so surprising to everyone who has watched baseball. When you start the game complaining, you normally don't last long in any level. Why he took a chance to do this to his team I don't understand. You get there in your first year and don't get to spend it with your team.
 
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preacherman20 said:
He got his explanation. He did not get ejected until he said you have missed 3. Questioning balls and strikes in first inning and then telling him he missed 3 will normally get you ejected. I don't see why this is so surprising to everyone who has watched baseball. When you start the game complaining, you normally don't last long in any level. Why he took a chance to do this to his team I don't understand. You get there in your first year and don't get to spend it with your team.
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Rookie mistakes.

We had one get tossed in our 'first' trip in 2021. Who was that? Think he was also arguing balls and strikes.

The strike zones vary and move. These are umpires who aren't trying to make it to MLB. But, typically they are inconsistent for both teams.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Rookie mistakes.

We had one get tossed in our 'first' trip in 2021. Who was that? Think he was also arguing balls and strikes.

The strike zones vary and move. These are umpires who aren't trying to make it to MLB. But, typically they are inconsistent for both teams.
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I think it was Kivett and the third base umpire. They said afterward that there was history between the two.

I just think those rules are a bit soft. No accountability when someone just says that an umpire missed a call.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I think it was Kivett and the third base umpire. They said afterward that there was history between the two.

I just think those rules are a bit soft. No accountability when someone just says that an umpire missed a call.
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Someone may correct me but thinking that is typically a second job or extra cash 'hobby' for college baseball umpires.

That are hit and miss all year. Just becomes more apparent when they have a dozen cameras aimed at them.
 
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preacherman20 said:
He got his explanation. He did not get ejected until he said you have missed 3. Questioning balls and strikes in first inning and then telling him he missed 3 will normally get you ejected. I don't see why this is so surprising to everyone who has watched baseball. When you start the game complaining, you normally don't last long in any level. Why he took a chance to do this to his team I don't understand. You get there in your first year and don't get to spend it with your team.
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Fair enough. I still think Campos should have given the head coach more leeway. The 1B Coach should have kept his trap shut or none of this would have happened.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Rookie mistakes.

We had one get tossed in our 'first' trip in 2021. Who was that? Think he was also arguing balls and strikes.

The strike zones vary and move. These are umpires who aren't trying to make it to MLB. But, typically they are inconsistent for both teams.
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Arbitrary & Inconsistent. That's the way of umpiring is too many instances. Maddening.o_O
 
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preacherman20 said:
He got his explanation. He did not get ejected until he said you have missed 3. Questioning balls and strikes in first inning and then telling him he missed 3 will normally get you ejected. I don't see why this is so surprising to everyone who has watched baseball. When you start the game complaining, you normally don't last long in any level. Why he took a chance to do this to his team I don't understand. You get there in your first year and don't get to spend it with your team.
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I agree with the bulk of this. First inning, golly. Unfortunately didn’t get to watch until about the sixth, seems lame for a CWS in the moment, JMO, which doesn’t matter no how. Done is done.

GBO!!!
 
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I admit. I became a baseball fan only when UT/TV became relevant. I really have no patients for umpires/refs that become the focal point of the game. In all sports I watch, coaches have conversations with officials all the time. There is always a back and forth with explanation. In baseball, there does not appear to be. Why should a coach not be able to question a call. In fact, the NCAA is watching the game for replays. An official should have to be answereable to someone and yes even in a game. This should not have happened at the start of the game in the World Series. Dont care if the umpire has the right within the rules to do what he did. It still is WRONG. The ump should never get to ref a game even in peewee. Again, this will always be a tainted Championship for LSU. They did not win it fair. Maybe no fault of there own. Still does not make it right.

And yes, you should be able to question balls and strikes. Know its against the rule. It should not be.
 
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You can question balls and strikes if done in the right manner and right timing. When I umpired college and minor league, I would let a coach talk to me in between innings or casually as he is passing. But when you come out screaming and hollering, you lose that right to question me. The same in basketball. Talk to me during a foul shot or some other dead time in play and we can discuss it. But come running onto the court or cursing and screaming and you are probably gone.
 
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