Looking more and more like DeBord will be the new OC

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RockyTop22 said:
lol, well to start off, yes, they have a 10X bigger reserve than we do at the moment since, ya know, they've won 3 recent National Championships. Second of all, who the hell knows or cares what Saban would do. I care about what Butch will do.
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They were paying Bajakian over 100 K more than Oregon pays Scott Frost.

Money shouldn't even enter the equation as an excuse for not getting this hire right.
 
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RockyTop22 said:
What? I hated Dooley with a passion and wrote papers about why he should be fired. But look where this program was then and look where it is now. I mean cmon, have you had your eyes closed for the past 3 years? We were on track to be the Vandy and Kentucky of the SEC, and then Butch comes in with back to back top 10 classes and an INSANE amount of hype and people are picking us to win the EAST next year. When have you heard National media talking about the vols like this in the past. All i'm saying is Butch has earned the right to make his own hire at this point. Also, do you remember the meltdown on VN when he brought most of his Cincy coaches with him? Thats worked out pretty good i would say.
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Butch still has a losing record at UT, one 7-6 season doesn't change that. People can pick us to win the East all they want, still hasn't happened yet. I want Butch to be more than just a good recruiter, but right now he has only beaten 2 teams (USCe 13, 14) that could be considered good teams.
 
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The ppl who raise questions just get attacked by the sheep who think every hire is a good hire bc we are the Vawls! Can't do anything but attack them and cant discuss the questions being raised. Because there are several big questions.
 
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08Vol said:
Butch still has a losing record at UT, one 7-6 season doesn't change that. People can pick us to win the East all they want, still hasn't happened yet. I want Butch to be more than just a good recruiter, but right now he has only beaten 2 teams (USCe 13, 14) that could be considered good teams.
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:flush:
 
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patrick said:
Debord would be an incredibly underwhelming hire in my opinion regardless of what the "Butch gets it" crowd has to say or how media sheep would try to spin it. The fact is that DeBord is a former coach who now serves in an administrative capacity at Michigan overseeing Olympic sports. He has not coached college football in 7 years and has not participated in the recruitment of high school football players during that time which is an incredibly long time to be out of the recruiting game. There is very little name recognition for which players could identify.

College football has changed in the last several years and most certainly I think that reasonable minded persons would agree that college football recruiting has changed dramatically in that time frame. Does anyone really believe that DeBord has maintained his high school recruiting contacts during the last seven years especially considering his stint in the pros.

Another point that has also been mentioned but should be repeated is that he is not a spread option offense coach. I know that I would not be jazzed about DeBord as the new OC and I would suspect that some offensive recruits may find another suitor for their services. It will remain to be seen whether DeBord is hired and whether any current commits would go elsewhere.

With so much interest in the job, there are a number of better candidates in my opinion.
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CBJ is humbled by the amount of interest in the job. I like the guy but please just stop with the coach speak for a second. Half a second?
 
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:thud:paranoia is peaking. Like DeBord has been hired. He want be OC for Tennessee. DeBoard is a friend of CBJ helping with the next OC hire. Period........:thud:
 
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Sudden Impact said:
It s not hostile. You asked a question that no one on this board can answer and a question that will possibly never be answered correctly. Even on Michigan's board. We could speculate for hours. The possible reasons for not hiring him at UT posted throughout Volnation maybe the reasons Michigan did not to hire him. But it really does not matter if UT hires him does it? Better yet their maybe zero connection between him and Harbaugh where there is a connection between him and Jones.
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I guess I just took the part about if I am so concerned with Michigan staffing to go on their board as unwarranted. I felt even if we do not "know reasons why" it was fair to question why not just Michigan, but any school has hired him in the two years he has not been coaching.
 
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Eastsidevol said:
Just for the record,


On February 1, 2013, DeBord was hired by Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon to be the sports administrator for the school's Olympic sports teams. In this role he works with the field hockey, men's and women's cross country, men's and women's gymnastics, men's and women's track and field, and men's and women's tennis programs.
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So not only has this guy not ran an offense in 8 years, he hasn't even had anything to do with football for almost 2 years. Yeah this guy is the perfect hire for us.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Some fail to recognize how far this team had fallen. It may or may not be a 4 year fix. A change at the 4 year mark unless it is the exceptional hire would be a disaster.

Plus you have to let all of Jones' plan play out and only a few possibly know what the initial plan was when he was hired.

IMO whatever time line he gave Hart it will be honored and if it was 6 years it will be done unless something major has happened.

In 2 years, what has CBJs done to terminate his contract. Nothing. What has he done above and beyond his contract, plenty. Its not just about wins and loses, it is also about the other areas, APR, discipline, competitiveness, culture and the list goes on, but the bottom line is that he is building and not destroying or allowing it to sit idle in its on mess.

Sorry it is not at the speed that some fans would like, but at least it is a thorough job and being done correctly.
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If 2016 comes and goes and Butch has done nothing with all these players -- if we're still losing to Florida, and we're still losing five games a year, and we haven't made a serious run at a conference title, and we're still struggling to even get ranked in the top 25 -- then Butch is going to start circling the drain. Doubly so if fans believe that he shot himself in the face with an incomprehensible failure of an OC hire. The fans will turn on him, and the Butchspeak and cliches will become grating and annoying, and recruiting will suffer. And as we all know, once a coach starts circling the bowl, it usually becomes a death spiral. His buyout would mean that we'd still be stuck with him for another couple years but that would just make it worse. This is a team which looks poised to make a playoff run in 2016; I think you are underestimating how quickly the wheels could come off if Jones is perceived to have screwed that up by making a weird, seemingly-terrible-at-the-time hire like DeBord. If this is the guy, it had better work out for him.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
What offensive coordinator do you know? The job goes beyond stats.
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So do you think a coach who has transitioned into and admin position ------ hasn't coached football for over two years ------ hasn't coached college football in seven years ------ hasn't recruited in seven years has more going for him than the many potential candidates that have been sited on this board and by many other media outlets who are current college football coordinators ------ have been recruiting high school players ------ going to coaching clinics etc.....

Not to mention there are a few active coaches that have been listed that have been with Jones before - one with a high caliber offense (Zona). Scott Frost is heads above DeBord and has been a part of a very prolific offense which is very similar to Jones' offense.......

and yes there is more to it than stats but give me a guy with really good CURRENT stats - dont give me a guy who is all but in his retirement.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Harbaugh is on campus with the guy and didn't show any interest.
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Could that have anything to do with the fact that Harbaugh brought Tim Drevno with him to be his o-coord? Drevno had worked under Harbaugh at San Diego St, Stanford, and the SF 49ers as o-line coach. Should Harbaugh have dumped his known commodity first choice who has worked with him for years, just to hire a guy on campus that he has no working experience with????
 
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1972 Grad said:
Could that have anything to do with the fact that Harbaugh brought Tim Drevno with him to be his o-coord? Drevno had worked under Harbaugh at San Diego St, Stanford, and the SF 49ers as o-line coach. Should Harbaugh have dumped his known commodity first choice who has worked with him for years, just to hire a guy on campus that he has no working experience with????
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Who said anything about offering DeBord a job as OC?

He didn't even get a sniff as a TE coach which he had been doing in the NFL prior to getting canned.

Harbaugh thought his 25 year old son could handle that job better than DeBord.
 
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volfanbill said:
Then you've sent us all the way back to my initial question. We've made all these strides and improvements and the best hire we can make is Mike DeBord?
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Our offense is Butch's like Bamas defense is Saban's. No matter who we hire, our offense will be the same. When Roper left Cutt to go to Florida Dukes offense was the same as it was before he left . Butch is our offensive coordinator. Whoever we hire will be calling Butch's plays.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
Our offense is Butch's like Bamas defense is Saban's. No matter who we hire, our offense will be the same. When Roper left Cutt to go to Florida Dukes offense was the same. Butch is our offensive coordinator. Whoever we hire will be calling Butch's plays.
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This. The playbook will be the same. It will just be someone else calling the plays. Debord can't be that much worse at calling plays than Bajakian.
 
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508mikey said:
Preston Williams for one - then a QB and OL was also mentioned ---was posted today in one these OC threads with alot of pages
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Sheriron is the only QB not enrolled and he's already said he's solid... He doesn't have any visits scheduled...so he may not be lying.
 
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