Let's Just Face It

#102
#102
Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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You’re right, we’re a crap program right now because of our leadership decisions the last 8-9 years. But it could change quickly if we hire the right coach. Unfortunately, no one should reasonably expect that to happen.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Op isn't completely wrong. Tennessee is traditionally 7-9 win team. however, there is a difference in trying to change that and just accepting it. It does not appear that Curry is accepting it.
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Yeah and traditionally the regular season was 10 or 11 games. We are top 10 in wins and winning percentage, THAT’S our tradition.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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Absolutely ridiculous post.

There's no false sense. Head coach at UT is one of the 10 best jobs in the country.
 
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farmin68 said:
Absolutely ridiculous post.

There's no false sense. Head coach at UT is one of the 10 best jobs in the country.
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Then, how did we end up with Dooley and Butch? Why did all those other coaches say, "No" when we were conducting yet, another coaching search? If this is such a great job, why are we playing coach carousel again? How many athletic directors have we had in the last five years?

You think a top-tier coach isn't going to school himself in all those questions, and join up when all the evidence is against yours, and far too many Vols fan's, delusions?

Prepare for disappointment. The fans forced our current ADs hand. We're going to get the coach we deserve.
 
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Mini Cooper said:
Then, how did we end up with Dooley and Butch? Why did all those other coaches say, "No" when we were conducting yet, another coaching search? If this is such a great job, why are we playing coach carousel again? How many athletic directors have we had in the last five years?

You think a top-tier coach isn't going to school himself in all those questions, and join up when all the evidence is against yours, and far too many Vols fan's, delusions?

Prepare for disappointment. The fans forced our current ADs hand. We're going to get the coach we deserve.
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Mike the Hamilton was in charge of that, so really, what do you know about that search and who said no.
 
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#114
I feel like not enough fans and people in general realize how GREAT of a job UT is. It’s complete and utter BS to claim that UF is a much better job. Slightly I can live with? But much better? Give me a break. UT is by far the best program in the state of TN Has great tradition. The best fan base, period. Is the only big school in the state, UF has two other powers in state to compete with. And Knoxville is in a spot where it’s surrounded by top recruits from, Georgia, NC, SC, VA, and TN is getting better in talent year by year.
 
#115
#115
Mini Cooper said:
Then, how did we end up with Dooley and Butch? Why did all those other coaches say, "No" when we were conducting yet, another coaching search? If this is such a great job, why are we playing coach carousel again? How many athletic directors have we had in the last five years?

You think a top-tier coach isn't going to school himself in all those questions, and join up when all the evidence is against yours, and far too many Vols fan's, delusions?

Prepare for disappointment. The fans forced our current ADs hand. We're going to get the coach we deserve.
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Why? Mike Hamilton and Dave Hart. Neither will ever be remembered as good AD's.

When Strong turned us down, it was after he saw UT's APR. Other coaches may have declined for the same reason.

As much as I despise Butch, he improved everything but game day performance. APR is now in good shape, very few players getting in trouble, and there's a lot of talent on the roster.

Think UT can't return to the glory days of being in the national discussion? Consider this;

*Just a year ago, UT was top 10 in the polls.

*In 2015, Bama had to come back in the 4th to beat us.

*The year before, we had Oklahoma beat until Butch peed his pants on the sideline.

*We have a rookie running back that may end up NFL Rookie of the Year.

*2 of Butch's former QBs on current NFL rosters, and Riley Ferguson will make it 3 next year.

These things happened under that game-day incompetent clown Butch Jones.

With all that talent, where could UT be right now with just a current 4th choice (or lower) candidate like Brohm or Norvell had been on the sidelines the last 3 seasons?

One solid coaching hire...we are that close to being more than relevant again. Nothing delusional about that.
 
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#116
We all have our short list. This is mine in order:
1. Patterson-TCU
2. Mullen-MSU
3. Frost-CF
What is yours?
 
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UT-Rex said:
Hey JP,

I don't start threads, so I'll throw this out to you --

Why don't you consider creating a new Coach Search Character Values vs General Neyland thread (you know, comparing how the coaches currently being evaluated by John Currie would fair against General Neyland, value/character/and coaching-approach-wise; and/or, what kind of values would General Neyland be looking for, IF he were part of the Interview process along with Currie / i.e. IF Gen Neyland were in the office/on the road with Currie during all visits). Just a thought.
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Rex, that would be a really interesting conversation. I'd definitely join in, but wouldn't take the lead...because I'm 100% focused on Jon Gruden. Honestly believe the deal is already done, and will be announced 27 Nov, +/- 7 days. So I'd have a hard time getting excited about analyzing any other candidates.

Cheers! Go Vols!
 
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Smokey 77 said:
We all have our short list. This is mine in order:
1. Patterson-TCU
2. Mullen-MSU
3. Frost-CF
What is yours?
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Dream coach is Gruden.

Reality;
1) Frost
2) Patterson
3) Mullen
4) Fuente

If we strike out on those and have to gamble;

1) Neal Brown - he's gonna be a rock star in a few years

2) Jeff Brohm

3) Norvell.
 
#119
#119
Volfan2012 said:
No reason Tennessee can't be a great program again. We need to realize you need top notch coaching to win in the SEC. You are not going to get it done with MAC or Louisiana Tech guys and maybe finally that has been realized.
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Absolutely right, just 10 short years ago today little Nicky lost to LA MONROE in his 1st season. That turned out to be the beginning of what has been a magical run. Coaching and recruiting are the difference in being irrelevant and dominant.
Butch Jones was poised to sign a top five class this year after 5 years of pathetic player development and game day coaching. Tennessee has no problem being able to recruit at a top ten level even with incompetent coaches. Just imagine what is possible with a staff capable of evaluating, developing and coaching!
I would argue(and many of the experts would agree) that the Tennessee job is the best job certainly in the east and 2nd only to Bama in the SEC. We have the largest recruiting budget,the best facilities, the best tradition,the best fan base and the best history of winning in the east.
Georgia hasn't won anything meaningful since Herschel. Florida hasn't won anything meaningful without Spurrier or Meyer and has to compete with FSU and Miami (and UCF,USF,and FIU) and has inferior facilities and has only been a member of the SEC since the 80's. South Carolina is self explanatory and still had success with Spurrier. Vandy, Kentucky and Missouri should be automatic wins 99% of the time.
Bottom line, with an AD committed to winning we should be able to attract a coaching staff capable of developing and winning with the talent we can most certainly attract to this wonderful, storied program. Enough with the loser mentality! We are Tennessee!!
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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Even with CBJ as HC, we beat UF and UGA last season. Without all of the injuries and the Hurd drama we beat USCjr and Vandy to win the East. Now, what has changed from the 90's is that BAMA/Saban are dominant and it is one helluva challenge to win the SEC outright now. With the right HC and staff who can recruit and develop players at a high level we can be in the race for the East most years.

Nebraska lost its recruiting pipeline, Tennessee hasn't. Tennessee is much easier to recruit to than Lincoln, Neb now.
 
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farmin68 said:
Why? Mike Hamilton and Dave Hart. Neither will ever be remembered as good AD's.

When Strong turned us down, it was after he saw UT's APR. Other coaches may have declined for the same reason.

As much as I despise Butch, he improved everything but game day performance. APR is now in good shape, very few players getting in trouble, and there's a lot of talent on the roster.

Think UT can't return to the glory days of being in the national discussion? Consider this;

*Just a year ago, UT was top 10 in the polls.

*In 2015, Bama had to come back in the 4th to beat us.

*The year before, we had Oklahoma beat until Butch peed his pants on the sideline.

*We have a rookie running back that may end up NFL Rookie of the Year.

*2 of Butch's former QBs on current NFL rosters, and Riley Ferguson will make it 3 next year.

These things happened under that game-day incompetent clown Butch Jones.

With all that talent, where could UT be right now with just a current 4th choice (or lower) candidate like Brohm or Norvell had been on the sidelines the last 3 seasons?

One solid coaching hire...we are that close to being more than relevant again. Nothing delusional about that.
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I appreciate the effort. Really, I do.

However...

My theory is that no top-tier coach is coming here because Tennessee still has stability/administrative issues.

Butch Jones, is going to get a lot of gratis. Us? Not so much.
 
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#124
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excuses. we are 1 good coach from a NC. I don't believe this 'we're no longer relevant' nonsense. our problem isnt the players, its the coach and ad. we have a chance to make it right if currie has any competence.
 
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#125
Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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Butch is gone, the days of the woe is me, doom and gloom attitude should be out the door with him.
 
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