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#51
#51
I like JP and hope he is successful here but at this point he has really done nothing to prove he is going to fail or be successful. I think he has beat the teams we should have beat and lost to the teams he should have lost to.
 
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LosingFaithVol said:
He 's at the point where he is hoping to put together one decent season and move on to another job with less expectations. Really don't think he likes the fans or university very much.
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If that's true, you and several others should be happy. You'll only have to deal with him one more year, but that should be fine knowing he's gone afterwards, and a decent season to boot. Then he leaves on his own terms and we don't have to pay him a buyout.

If I thought like you did, I'd be the happiest sum bish here. Unless reality has already set in and you realize our administrations track record in hiring football coaches. Lol.

I like Pruitt. I don't watch press conferences or his show. We have one more game and hopefully a bowl game, but if not, oh well. We get a good recruiting class in, spring practice and next season. Then I'll be a little more judgmental.
 
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VolAllen said:
I know a lot of you are internet tough guys and actual conversation is far less likely than getting flamed. I don't hold it against you, it's just the East Tennessean fighter blood that flows through your veins. And no, this isn't a "knee jerk" reaction after a loss thread. This is a legitimate question/concern/conversation/get the gears in your head turning thread.

Do any of you guys actually like our coach? I know winning cures all. But I mean do you actually like the dude? Dig deep. Actually think about the question. Are you proud to call Jeremy Pruitt the coach of our beloved Vols? Or did Fulmer and our university totally just whiff the hell out of this thing the way they always do?

It would be fair to wait until the end of the season to judge, and even then seems a bit premature. But I'm not necessarily talking about his win/loss record. I'm talking about him as a representative of our program. Forget the 5-6 start. I can look beyond that.

Most of you are going to throw hateful things in my direction and tell me to go back to my momma's basement, but some numbers tell me that others may feel the same.

2009, Lane Kiffin's first and only season. 7-6 record. We averaged 100,000 fans in the seats.

2010, Dools first season. 6-7 record. We averaged 100,000.

2013, Butch Jones first season. 5-7 record. We averaged 96,000.

2016, Butch Jones best season. 9-4 record. 101,000 average attendance.

2018, Jeremy Pruitt's first season. 5-6 record. 92,869 average attendance. 3 games didn't even hit 90k.

There should be a spike in enthusiasm for a coach's first season, so why such a large drop in attendance? Lane obviously got fans excited. I remember it vividly. He was the first coaching change I had experienced and it was a feeling of new blood and a new era. Dooley received far less enthusiasm from the fans, but it was expected given the sudden and strange departure of Kiffin. Butch came in and really had the fan support. He said all the right things, knocked recruiting out of the park, beat Steve Spurrier in his first season. Hell, he crushed it.

Pruitt. It irked the hell out of me the way he answered Bob's question in the 2nd episode of The JP Show regarding running through the T for the first time. I stated that it bothered me right after it happened in the JP Show thread and caught some heat for it. Guess what? It still bothers me. Even more so now that we're 5-6. "It was uhhh....different", was the line. Mind you, this episode was following a win. It wasn't after getting straight whipped by West Virginia. No. It was after beating lowly ETSU, Pruitt's first win as the Tennessee head coach. His attitude sucks, and it's not good for business.

Do I like Pruitt more than Schiano? You're damn right I do. Do I like him more than Mike Leach? Not even close. Les Miles? Nope. Dan Mullen? Hard to say. Butch Jones? I don't think so. Dooley? I'm not sure.

Win, and of course, I'll shut up. But Coach Pruitt, you're making $4,000,000 a year to coach football. Ideally, you're supposed to win the games. If you don't, however, at least give us the impression that you're a good dude and that you're happy to be in Knoxville. Because at the end of the day, you're still going to be rich, and we're still going to be sitting on cold, hard, metal bleachers hoping that things change.

I'll go on record right now and say I have doubts that this experiment is going to work out. I think Mike Leach, Les Miles, or Dan Mullen would have been a better choice. And I'm not saying fire the guy. That's not going to accomplish anything. But win or lose, I don't really like this dude, and I'm feeling super disconnected from Tennessee football because of it.

Flame away.
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Yeah, you should get your ass flamed for this post. Yes, I like Jeremy Pruitt and I’m glad he’s our coach.
 
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Deep down in my heart I don`t think Pruitt will get it done here like TN fans expect. He has the personality of a ground hog. I think we have another mediocre coach.
When another team scores 50 points on you, something is bad wrong. Unless it is Bama.
 
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Coach worship has got to stop. All it does is warp your perception if things go sour. I really don’t care if he’s flat in interviews just like I didn’t get bent out of shape about the silly cliches Butch used or the history lessons from Dooley or the smack talk of Kiffin or the vanilla Fulmer servered. Results are what coaches are ultimately judged by. Some of the losses have been ugly but getting 2 upsets on ranked teams is huge. So in that regard I like the direction Pruitt is moving this far.
 
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Gandalf said:
There is little question in my mind at least that Pruitt is a full blooded Bammer and that will take years to wash off, if it ever does. That said, I think the reason you see his taciturn side is because he is not winning. From all I have heard, he is a hyper competitive guy and I think he is frustrated that players are not executing what he is coaching - he is not really used to that. He has a "RAGE to win" and I dont think he much appreciates or understands anyone who doesnt, much less some of the soft players he inherited. Consider that Pruitt has not been on a team with a losing season perhaps his entire coaching career. Let that sink in a second.

I like his homegrown Southern shtick. I do wish it was a bit more eloquent in his articulation. I think, however, after the rah rah rah of the past, I am happy to trade for someone who is relentlessly fixated on recruiting, practicing and game day coaching and thinks everything else (including our opinion) is a waste of his time. Winning is the only thing that matters. Traditions are great and all but Pruitt is not here to live off of the glories of the ancient past. He is here to create the program everyone speaks about in hushed tones in years to come when lesser men replace him. That is how we make those traditions mean something both now and in the future. That is a mindset that Saban no doubt reinforced. Sadly, the UT admin lost sight of that some time ago and look where that has gotten us.
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He should be upset. Many current UT players are an embarrassment to the program with their lack of effort. It’s a shame there isn’t free agency in college sports. I can think of about 15 players that need to be free agents after this season.
 
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#60
All these coaches have become paid mercenaries looking for the next extension and golden parachute. The market is what it is and I dont blame them but it makes it harder to really get attached to any of these guys.

Look at what Gundy has done with his alma mater the past 10 years. Every time a coaching search commences at UT, he seems to get an extension.

Back to Pruitt.

He's got a prickly personality and started off by calling out fans for not showing up in Bama levels to the Spring game. Kind of hard to throw full on enthusiasm behind a guy that bleeds Crimson and has put a thoroughly mediocre product on the field this season.

I want him to be highly successful but not for his sake, for the sake of my school and program I have followed most of my life.
 
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Just look at what we have endured...
2018 Jeremy Pruitt (5-6) -2017 Brady Hoke (0-2), Butch Jones (4-6)-2016 Butch Jones (9-4)Music City Bowl-W -2015 Butch Jones (9-4)Outback Bowl-W -2014 Butch Jones (7-6)TaxSlayer Bowl-W -2013 Butch Jones (5-7)-2012 Derek Dooley (4-7), Jim Chaney (1-0)-2011 Derek Dooley (5-7)-2010 Derek Dooley (6-7)Music City Bowl-L-2009 Lane Kiffin (7-6)Chick-fil-A Bowl-L -2008Phillip Fulmer (5-7)- 2007 Phillip Fulmer (10-4)Outback Bowl-W-2006 Phillip Fulmer (9-4)Outback Bowl-L-2005Phillip Fulmer (5-6) -2004 Phillip Fulmer (10-3)Cotton Bowl-W-2003 Phillip Fulmer (10-3)Peach Bowl-L-2002-Phillip Fulmer (8-5)Peach Bowl-L-2001-Phillip Fulmer (11-2)Citrus Bowl-W19 -2000-Phillip Fulmer (8-4)Cotton Bowl-L20 -1999-Phillip Fulmer (9-3)Fiesta Bowl- 1998-Phillip Fulmer (13-0)Fiesta Bowl-W- 1997SEC1120.84620.8710.56537Phillip Fulmer (11-2)Orange Bowl-L 1996SEC1020.83316.122.78229Phillip Fulmer (10-2)Citrus Bowl-W- 1995-Phillip Fulmer (11-1)Citrus Bowl-W- 1994-Phillip Fulmer (8-4)Gator Bowl- 1993-Phillip Fulmer (9-2-1)Citrus Bowl- 1992 Johnny Majors (5-3), Phillip Fulmer (4-0)Hall of Fame Bowl-W- 1991 Johnny Majors (9-3)Fiesta Bowl-L-1990 Johnny Majors (9-2-2)Sugar Bowl-W- 1989 Johnny Majors (11-1)Cotton Bowl-W This is 1989 forward! The last 20 years have been pure Hell for Vol Fans. You expect people to enjoy what has been happening and expect their support? The old saying, "Don't Look A Gift Horse in the Mouth" seems appropriate when looking at Pruitt. He will get the job done, given time, whether you like him or not!
 
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#63
I’ll be honest, I can’t stand the guy. If he wins, great. If he’s losing after his 3rd or 4th year, it’s time to cut bait.
 
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volfan411 said:
I like JP and hope he is successful here but at this point he has really done nothing to prove he is going to fail or be successful. I think he has beat the teams we should have beat and lost to the teams he should have lost to.
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Actually, he's won against two teams we shouldn't have. I hope every coach here is successful, but I see more from Pruitt than Jones or Dooley thus far.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I’ll be honest, I can’t stand the guy. If he wins, great. If he loses after his 3rd or 4th year, it’s time to cut bait.
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This to an extent. He's going to get three years and let's face facts, the talent pool he and his staff inherited wasn't exactly barren, but the developed talent pool certainly was. There are very few freshmen in the SEC that come in and make a significant Year 1 impact. Even less so for those that don't get developed along the way.

If this year's Freshman and Sophomore classes aren't playing any better in Year 3, we'll know for sure he isn't the guy. But with all things, he has to be given time.

As a reminder to the OP, he may bleed "crimson" all day long, but I'd dare say he's smart enough to realize this is his job "interview" for the position whenever Saban hangs it up. We all know Saban will leave eventually and Bama will pretty much get whomever they want. Would they want a coach, even with deep roots in Bama, that's been mediocre at best in a fairly down SEC East? Or someone who's been challenging for the Championship game more often than not?
 
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#67
I'll let you know in about two years. I could care less what the guy says in interviews or whatever dumbazz call in show he's required to do. I don't get into coach speech because it's all the same, and he has to choose his words to not offend snowflakes in the media or some on his team. He gets paid millions to win football games and put a team on the field that doesn't resemble a chinese fire drill.
 
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#68
Yes I like CJP. He’s done nothing or said anything up to this point to make me question his ability to lead our program. I believe he will eventually get us back to winning. I have to remind myself that he had nothing to do with the previous 10 years and he deserves a chance to prove himself. Just because Butch and Dooley screwed the pooch does mean he will.
 
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#70
I agree I don't think it is fair to blame Pruitt in his first year for attendance dropped. Most of us have been great fans. Year in and year out we kept showing up for a decade for a lousy product. The fact we have finally reached a point that we no longer want to pay money to give up our Saturday to watch us lose has more to say about the state of our program then Pruitt. At this point we gain nothing with another coaching change. I sincerely believe Pruitt will get us to a better place. Maybe not national champion contenders but good enough that we can attract a top tier coach. At this point we can no longer do that unless we really open up the pocket books which our administration has already demonstrated they are unwilling to do.
 
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VolAllen said:
I know a lot of you are internet tough guys and actual conversation is far less likely than getting flamed. I don't hold it against you, it's just the East Tennessean fighter blood that flows through your veins. And no, this isn't a "knee jerk" reaction after a loss thread. This is a legitimate question/concern/conversation/get the gears in your head turning thread.

Do any of you guys actually like our coach? I know winning cures all. But I mean do you actually like the dude? Dig deep. Actually think about the question. Are you proud to call Jeremy Pruitt the coach of our beloved Vols? Or did Fulmer and our university totally just whiff the hell out of this thing the way they always do?

It would be fair to wait until the end of the season to judge, and even then seems a bit premature. But I'm not necessarily talking about his win/loss record. I'm talking about him as a representative of our program. Forget the 5-6 start. I can look beyond that.

Most of you are going to throw hateful things in my direction and tell me to go back to my momma's basement, but some numbers tell me that others may feel the same.

2009, Lane Kiffin's first and only season. 7-6 record. We averaged 100,000 fans in the seats.

2010, Dools first season. 6-7 record. We averaged 100,000.

2013, Butch Jones first season. 5-7 record. We averaged 96,000.

2016, Butch Jones best season. 9-4 record. 101,000 average attendance.

2018, Jeremy Pruitt's first season. 5-6 record. 92,869 average attendance. 3 games didn't even hit 90k.

There should be a spike in enthusiasm for a coach's first season, so why such a large drop in attendance? Lane obviously got fans excited. I remember it vividly. He was the first coaching change I had experienced and it was a feeling of new blood and a new era. Dooley received far less enthusiasm from the fans, but it was expected given the sudden and strange departure of Kiffin. Butch came in and really had the fan support. He said all the right things, knocked recruiting out of the park, beat Steve Spurrier in his first season. Hell, he crushed it.

Pruitt. It irked the hell out of me the way he answered Bob's question in the 2nd episode of The JP Show regarding running through the T for the first time. I stated that it bothered me right after it happened in the JP Show thread and caught some heat for it. Guess what? It still bothers me. Even more so now that we're 5-6. "It was uhhh....different", was the line. Mind you, this episode was following a win. It wasn't after getting straight whipped by West Virginia. No. It was after beating lowly ETSU, Pruitt's first win as the Tennessee head coach. His attitude sucks, and it's not good for business.

Do I like Pruitt more than Schiano? You're damn right I do. Do I like him more than Mike Leach? Not even close. Les Miles? Nope. Dan Mullen? Hard to say. Butch Jones? I don't think so. Dooley? I'm not sure.

Win, and of course, I'll shut up. But Coach Pruitt, you're making $4,000,000 a year to coach football. Ideally, you're supposed to win the games. If you don't, however, at least give us the impression that you're a good dude and that you're happy to be in Knoxville. Because at the end of the day, you're still going to be rich, and we're still going to be sitting on cold, hard, metal bleachers hoping that things change.

I'll go on record right now and say I have doubts that this experiment is going to work out. I think Mike Leach, Les Miles, or Dan Mullen would have been a better choice. And I'm not saying fire the guy. That's not going to accomplish anything. But win or lose, I don't really like this dude, and I'm feeling super disconnected from Tennessee football because of it.

Flame away.
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Fan base got ten years older and TVs got 4K definition. Drop in attendance is nationwide. On the other hand, this fan base has loss fatigue
 
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VolAllen said:
I know a lot of you are internet tough guys and actual conversation is far less likely than getting flamed. I don't hold it against you, it's just the East Tennessean fighter blood that flows through your veins. And no, this isn't a "knee jerk" reaction after a loss thread. This is a legitimate question/concern/conversation/get the gears in your head turning thread.

Do any of you guys actually like our coach? I know winning cures all. But I mean do you actually like the dude? Dig deep. Actually think about the question. Are you proud to call Jeremy Pruitt the coach of our beloved Vols? Or did Fulmer and our university totally just whiff the hell out of this thing the way they always do?

It would be fair to wait until the end of the season to judge, and even then seems a bit premature. But I'm not necessarily talking about his win/loss record. I'm talking about him as a representative of our program. Forget the 5-6 start. I can look beyond that.

Most of you are going to throw hateful things in my direction and tell me to go back to my momma's basement, but some numbers tell me that others may feel the same.

2009, Lane Kiffin's first and only season. 7-6 record. We averaged 100,000 fans in the seats.

2010, Dools first season. 6-7 record. We averaged 100,000.

2013, Butch Jones first season. 5-7 record. We averaged 96,000.

2016, Butch Jones best season. 9-4 record. 101,000 average attendance.

2018, Jeremy Pruitt's first season. 5-6 record. 92,869 average attendance. 3 games didn't even hit 90k.

There should be a spike in enthusiasm for a coach's first season, so why such a large drop in attendance? Lane obviously got fans excited. I remember it vividly. He was the first coaching change I had experienced and it was a feeling of new blood and a new era. Dooley received far less enthusiasm from the fans, but it was expected given the sudden and strange departure of Kiffin. Butch came in and really had the fan support. He said all the right things, knocked recruiting out of the park, beat Steve Spurrier in his first season. Hell, he crushed it.

Pruitt. It irked the hell out of me the way he answered Bob's question in the 2nd episode of The JP Show regarding running through the T for the first time. I stated that it bothered me right after it happened in the JP Show thread and caught some heat for it. Guess what? It still bothers me. Even more so now that we're 5-6. "It was uhhh....different", was the line. Mind you, this episode was following a win. It wasn't after getting straight whipped by West Virginia. No. It was after beating lowly ETSU, Pruitt's first win as the Tennessee head coach. His attitude sucks, and it's not good for business.

Do I like Pruitt more than Schiano? You're damn right I do. Do I like him more than Mike Leach? Not even close. Les Miles? Nope. Dan Mullen? Hard to say. Butch Jones? I don't think so. Dooley? I'm not sure.

Win, and of course, I'll shut up. But Coach Pruitt, you're making $4,000,000 a year to coach football. Ideally, you're supposed to win the games. If you don't, however, at least give us the impression that you're a good dude and that you're happy to be in Knoxville. Because at the end of the day, you're still going to be rich, and we're still going to be sitting on cold, hard, metal bleachers hoping that things change.

I'll go on record right now and say I have doubts that this experiment is going to work out. I think Mike Leach, Les Miles, or Dan Mullen would have been a better choice. And I'm not saying fire the guy. That's not going to accomplish anything. But win or lose, I don't really like this dude, and I'm feeling super disconnected from Tennessee football because of it.

Flame away.
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I love how you type all these words, and come up with this big scenario just to cover up the fact that your precious little feelings got hurt because a grown man didnt say that doing something was the greatest thing ever, you have even said he could lie and you wouldn't care. My question is do you want a coach or someone to fluff your ego? Gtfo with this stupid ******** of some beta ass male not liking the coach because he is too alpha and wont take your feelings into account.
 
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