Les Miles thread (merged)

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JMSqb11 said:
Mullen at Tennessee in the East would consistently be better than 8-9 wins per year.
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Maybe, a good chance of that being true. How many times have good coaches at less pressure smaller schools showed promise only to fail on the spotlight???

Isn't this the same reasoning to an extent on why Butch Jones was hired?

There are two successful "spotlight" guys Miles & Kelly
Go get one of them.
 
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Between his crazy statements/persona in front of the press and terrible clock management I am not interested at all.
 
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vols1707 said:
How is Miami doing with their coach this year that was fired for similar reasons???

There is something to spending too much time somewhere even as a great coach.
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Good.

They've beaten BC 3-4... Toledo... Duke (1-3 in the ACC).. and FSU (2-3). They didn't deserve to beat GT any more than UT did.

Richt needed a change and left a pretty strong program behind. He was done at UGA several years before they fired him similar to Fulmer.

Miles is Richt without the class and coaching ability. Few coaches have ever done less with more than Les.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Mullen over Fuente any day.
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JMO, I think Mullen is a safer hire but Fuente has higher upside.

I think Mullen would be 8-9 wins a year. I think he is a below average recruiter for SEC. Solid coach and, unlike our current coach, develops and gets results from his guys. He'd fight for East, win a few times, but I don't think he'd ever win conference. And we'd have to pay 5.5 million (or so. He makes $4.8M a year now) for that. That's the main reason I'd be against it.

We could hire Les for under $4M a year and get, at least, same results. I think Les would win east more and would sneak a SEC title or 2 before retirement. Make the playoffs a few times.

Fuente is a bit of a gamble, but getting to ACCCG year 1 is pretty impressive. Especially combined with what he did at Memphis.

But, again, this is just all my opinion.
 
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UTwild82 said:
JMO, I think Mullen is a safer hire but Fuente has higher upside.

I think Mullen would be 8-9 wins a year. I think he is a below average recruiter for SEC. Solid coach and, unlike our current coach, develops and gets results from his guys. He'd fight for East, win a few times, but I don't think he'd ever win conference. And we'd have to pay 5.5 million (or so. He makes $4.8M a year now) for that. That's the main reason I'd be against it.

We could hire Les for under $4M a year and get, at least, same results. I think Les would win east more and would sneak a SEC title or 2 before retirement. Make the playoffs a few times.

Fuente is a bit of a gamble, but getting to ACCCG year 1 is pretty impressive. Especially combined with what he did at Memphis.

But, again, this is just all my opinion.
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If you are basing your opinion on his recruiting off of Miss State, that is not fair. Miss State doesn't sell itself like UT does. He's recruited the best he can given the resources that he has at Starkville, which isn't a lot.

Give him the budget and staff of Tennessee and he would recruit just as well as Butch.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If you are basing your opinion on his recruiting off of Miss State, that is not fair. Miss State doesn't sell itself like UT does. He's recruited the best he can given the resources that he has at Starkville, which isn't a lot.

Give him the budget and staff of Tennessee and he would recruit just as well as Butch.
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While Mississippi State is harder to recruit to than UT, I just think he'd have better classes if he was a good recruiter. Mississippi is flush with talent. I think he'd be OK. Top 15 - 20 classes. He'd develop them well. I just think the price tag is way too high for what we'd get. I also believe if he really wanted out of Starkville he would have taken PSU or UF jobs.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If you are basing your opinion on his recruiting off of Miss State, that is not fair. Miss State doesn't sell itself like UT does. He's recruited the best he can given the resources that he has at Starkville, which isn't a lot.

Give him the budget and staff of Tennessee and he would recruit just as well as Butch.
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that, like anything one might say about any prospective coach, is just speculation.

gun to my head, i'd take Fuente over Mullen.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that, like anything one might say about any prospective coach, is just speculation.

gun to my head, i'd take Fuente over Mullen.
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That isn't speculation. Miss State doesn't have the budget or resources for recruiting that Tennessee has.

If you think otherwise, you are :loco:
 
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UTwild82 said:
While Mississippi State is harder to recruit to than UT, I just think he'd have better classes if he was a good recruiter. Mississippi is flush with talent. I think he'd be OK. Top 15 - 20 classes. He'd develop them well. I just think the price tag is way too high for what we'd get. I also believe if he really wanted out of Starkville he would have taken PSU or UF jobs.
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And Bama, Auburn, and Ole Miss have always gotten first dibs on those Mississippi kids. That's how it has always been. Part of it is the location of Miss State and the crap hole that is Starkville. It doesn't sell itself like Oxford, Auburn, or Tuscaloosa.
 
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UTwild82 said:
I think Mullen would be 8-9 wins a year. I think he is a below average recruiter for SEC. Solid coach and, unlike our current coach, develops and gets results from his guys. He'd fight for East, win a few times, but I don't think he'd ever win conference. And we'd have to pay 5.5 million (or so. He makes $4.8M a year now) for that. That's the main reason I'd be against it.
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Hm. He's making somewhere in the $4.5-5m range now with incentives and just got an extension for a 5-7 losing season. Not sure, if anyone knows if the amounts go up every year but my guess is it probably does. So, if I was getting nearly $5m a year to lose, I am thinking if a team wants me to win I am going to have to make significantly more than what I am currently making.

Mullen has a great setup, become bowl eligible 2/3 times out of 4 years, beat one of the top West schools every 3-5 years - sign extension and raise. Smoke cigars when not busy.
 
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Madance77 said:
Could do a lot worse than Les Miles. I'll allow it.
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For sure

If he could just hire a good OC and let him do his thing he'd be great

He's proven he makes pretty great DC hires he recruits well and he's won 10 or 11 games for almost his whole career
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
For sure

If he could just hire a good OC and let him do his thing he'd be great

He's proven he makes pretty great DC hires he recruits well and he's won 10 or 11 games for almost his whole career
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If he could steal Tee Martin as his OC, it would be a home run hire. Best judgement Tee ever showed was staying away from Butch. Would have significantly damaged his brand. Would be interesting to see if he would come back to Tennessee as OC and essentially, head coach in wAiting.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If he could steal Tee Martin as his OC, it would be a home run hire. Best judgement Tee ever showed was staying away from Butch. Would have significantly damaged his brand. Would be interesting to see if he would come back to Tennessee as OC and essentially, head coach in wAiting.
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Tee isn’t coming to Knoxville.

His wife is happy in California and wants no part of Tennessee.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If he could steal Tee Martin as his OC, it would be a home run hire. Best judgement Tee ever showed was staying away from Butch. Would have significantly damaged his brand. Would be interesting to see if he would come back to Tennessee as OC and essentially, head coach in wAiting.
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Comment from a USC fan:

"Maybe Tee is trying to make PAC 12 defenses look like SEC ones. Can I wish? Chip Kelly is available."

Sound familiar? And another.

"Tee's getting paid the big bucks to make the right calls. USC's getting the short end of the stick here and Helton's allowing it to happen.

Now that we've lost a game, it'll be very interesting to see how we react. I really have no idea, primarily because without a running game, I find Tee's offense to be downright offensive."
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Tee isn’t coming to Knoxville.

His wife is happy in California and wants no part of Tennessee.
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Seeing how Butch really is, the happy wife narrative is becoming less and less true. Also, coming to your alma Mater as OC and essentially, a head coach in waiting, is much different than being a receiver coach under Butch Jones
 
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AM64 said:
Comment from a USC fan:

"Maybe Tee is trying to make PAC 12 defenses look like SEC ones. Can I wish? Chip Kelly is available."

Sound familiar? And another.

"Tee's getting paid the big bucks to make the right calls. USC's getting the short end of the stick here and Helton's allowing it to happen.

Now that we've lost a game, it'll be very interesting to see how we react. I really have no idea, primarily because without a running game, I find Tee's offense to be downright offensive."
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His offense since inserting Darnold is 15-2 with a Rose Bowl win and just had a 21-7 comeback. Please tell me how overrated Tee is.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The only thing that kept Les Miles being the best coach in the whole NCAA was Nick Saban IMHO. If he coached anywhere other than the SEC west he would have been a legend.
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I'm already on record saying the rumors amongst some of the medical profession in Knoxville is Miles.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
His offense since inserting Darnold is 15-2 with a Rose Bowl win and just had a 21-7 comeback. Please tell me how overrated Tee is.
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Those were comments after the very near win over Utah Sat night. I suppose there are other fan bases as delusional ours since they've apparently got less to complain about than we do.
 
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AM64 said:
Those were comments after the very near win over Utah Sat night. I suppose there are other fan bases as delusional ours since they've apparently got less to complain about than we do.
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What are you talking about “near win.” They beat Utah with a 21-6 second half comeback to win the game.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Les Miles is a Rick Barnes hire. We would have to break the bank for him to hire a talented OC. I am not opposed. Better than hiring some mid major coach with zero name ID / no recruiting prowess / no SEC Experience.
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This. There are better choices, but there are A LOT worse choices. Good article from 2 years ago on Miles success at LSU:

9 – Let’s begin with what Miles has accomplished on the recruiting trail. Miles has reeled in nine recruiting classes that were ranked in the top 10 in his 11 seasons at LSU, according to 247Sports. Three of those classes were ranked in the top 2 in the country. The three classes that “didn’t pan out” were in 2005 (Miles first season), 2008 and 2012. Those classes were ranked 13th, 12th and 14th, respectively. In other words, Miles has put together a top-15 recruiting class or better in every season at the helm.

2 – LSU has won two SEC Championships under Miles, which may not seem like many until comparing it to other storied coaches. Mark Richt has only two SEC titles in 15 seasons at UGA. Ohio State’s Urban Meyer won only two SEC titles in six seasons at Florida and Nick Saban only won two SEC Championships during his five-year stint in the Bayou. Believe it or not, Saban only has three SEC titles under his belt in eight seasons with Alabama, but could pick up his fourth title in a couple of weeks.

7 – Miles has seven 10-win seasons during his 11-year tenure with the Tigers. No other coach in LSU history has more than two 10-win campaigns. Miles has won at least 10 games four times since 2010 after rattling off three-consecutive 10-win seasons from 2005-07. For comparison’s sake, UGA’s Mark Richt has nine 10-win seasons in 15 years in Athens, Ga. Former Florida and South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier had 12 10-win seasons in 23 years, which means Miles would be on pace to exceed Spurrier.

10 – LSU has played in 10 bowl games under Miles and will play in an 11th this season. Only Charles McClendon has coached the Tigers in more bowl games. He coached in 13 bowl games during his 18-year tenure and went 7-6 in those contests. Miles is 6-4 in his bowl appearances with a 2-1 record in New Year’s Six bowl games. He could match McClendon for the most bowl victories in program history with a win this year. Miles actually has one more bowl victory during his tenure at LSU than Saban has at Alabama.

69 – Miles has won 69 percent of his conference games with a 60-27 record. That number is far more impressive when considering Miles’ longevity with the program. His winning percentage matches Richt in four fewer seasons and is not far behind Spurrier’s 72 percent. Miles’ conference winning percentage doesn’t measure up to Meyer or Saban, however. Meyer won 75 percent of his conference games at Florida, while Saban has won 82 percent of his games at Alabama and has won 78 percent of his SEC games at both LSU and Bama.

77 – Miles has won 77 percent of his games at LSU. That is a better win percentage as an SEC coach than Spurrier, Richt, Meyer and Saban during his stint with LSU. Miles is one of the most successful coaches in SEC history, according to Saturday Down South.

48 – Les Miles has gone 48-15 in five seasons from 2011 to the present. Nick Saban went 48-16 in his five years at LSU. A win on Saturday would ensure Miles a better record over the last five seasons than Saban had during his entire LSU tenure.

14 – This may be the number that everyone cares about and one of the biggest reasons why Miles is on the hot seat. Miles has gone just 35-14 since the 2011 season, when LSU lost 21-0 to Alabama in the BCS Championship Game. That game might have marked the beginning of Miles’ downfall. Alabama has gone 46-6 during that same time period and has beaten LSU five times in a row.

Miles downfall was hiring crappy coordinators. Make sure we steal the best guys available and rebuild the program. If you want someone who can beat Saban, there's a tight circle of guys who have beaten him since he's been at Bama:

Dabo Swinney (2016) UNAVAILABLE
Gus Malzahn (2013) PASS
Kevin Sumlin (2012) PASS
Hugh Freeze (2014, 2015) SUPER PASS
Urban Meyer (2008, 2014) UNAVAILABLE
Les Miles (2007, 2010, 2011) AVAILABLE
Steve Spurrier (2010) RETIRED
Kyle Whittingham (2008) MAYBE AVAILABLE
Gene Chizik (2010) PASS
Bob Stoops (2013) RETIRED

Everyone else you bring only has a theoretical chance of beating Bama.
 
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