Les Miles thread (merged)

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There is not a better choice out there for Tennessee than Les Miles.

Zero risk on the main questions you have hiring a coach.
1. Can he recruit in the cut throat SEC? Yes one of the best in the game.
2. Can he put Tennessee in a position to win vs your rivals and compete in the SEC for a title? Yes once again one of the only coaches out there that has proven he can do that.
3. Is he available and affordable? Absolutely unlike other coaches you can hire him and not have to spend a second buyout to another school for firing Butch
4. How will his style play in the SEC and can he handle the pressure of SEC football? Once again this is proven.

Tennessee cannot Butch this hire. Eliminate risk, get the proven winner in this League.
 
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Another plus in his favor is that when you fire Jones, you can announce his hiring then. No delay, no uncertainty. He would be immediately available to recruit, build a staff, etc. An interim coach would handle the remainder of this year.
 
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vols1707 said:
There is not a better choice out there for Tennessee than Les Miles.

Zero risk on the main questions you have hiring a coach.
1. Can he recruit in the cut throat SEC? Yes one of the best in the game.
2. Can he put Tennessee in a position to win vs your rivals and compete in the SEC for a title? Yes once again one of the only coaches out there that has proven he can do that.
3. Is he available and affordable? Absolutely unlike other coaches you can hire him and not have to spend a second buyout to another school for firing Butch
4. How will his style play in the SEC and can he handle the pressure of SEC football? Once again this is proven.

Tennessee cannot Butch this hire. Eliminate risk, get the proven winner in this League.
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Why didn't Purdue hire him?
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
My guess is that the problems with Purdue football require a long term plan. Talent level poor, no recruiting base at all, no fan interest. They probably need 5 years to get to the mid level of the Big-10.
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and we don't? Purdue is a stepping stone program, that is perfect for either a young up and comer that's going to be there for 4 years or less, or an aging coach that would be brought in to stabilize the program and get it back on solid footing for the next up and comer, a la what Steve Spurrier did at South Carolina.

in that regard, Miles would have made a ton of sense at Purdue.
 
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I'd be OK with Les. Just get a great QB Coach. Les likes to run the power. I'm tired of the Spread type offense. I want an offense that can wear other teams out like Bama does.
 
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He made sense at Purdue.

My guess why they didn't hire him. A couple reasons too soon as one. Coaches need a year to self evaluate to change to the time. Give them the big picture without the stress and speed of the job to cloud.

But I believe the biggest reason.... Purdue was in a position to go after a fresh innovative hire.

Remember where Tennessee is. If this was firing Fulmer I'd be all about a young fresh ready to take on the world hire.

This is where Tennessee is. Cannot take the risk this is the 4th hire after Fulmer.

Other 3 were fresh hires all failures for Tennessee.

Prude didn't have that hurdle
 
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jakez4ut said:
and we don't? Purdue is a stepping stone program, that is perfect for either a young up and comer that's going to be there for 4 years or less, or an aging coach that would be brought in to stabilize the program and get it back on solid footing for the next up and comer, a la what Steve Spurrier did at South Carolina.

in that regard, Miles would have made a ton of sense at Purdue.
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Hey, I think he would have done fine at Purdue. Of course, we want long term success but we have talent and resources (e.g. money) NOW. If we hire someone who says it will take us 5 years to be competitive in the SEC, then we hired the wrong guy.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Hey, I think he would have done fine at Purdue. Of course, we want long term success but we have talent and resources (e.g. money) NOW. If we hire someone who says it will take us 5 years to be competitive in the SEC, then we hired the wrong guy.
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Exactly

And another reason I like Miles..... Tennessee has the pieces to run to his style of coaching. Don't have to worry about a coach saying it will take 3-4 years to get his qb
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Hey, I think he would have done fine at Purdue. Of course, we want long term success but we have talent and resources (e.g. money) NOW. If we hire someone who says it will take us 5 years to be competitive in the SEC, then we hired the wrong guy.
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i don't disagree with that, i'm just not sure why people think a 64 year old Les Miles that won't be taking over a Nick Saban built roster will do anything that much better than what butch jones as done.

Les Miles is butch jones, with a much better public persona.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Why didn't Purdue hire him?
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Do you honestly think he wanted to go to Purdue? Especially when Tennessee, A&M, UCLA, and other programs had known coaches on the hot seat.....

Not saying this to make Miles look that good, but from a pure economics decision. Taking a year off was a hell of a lot better for him than going to Purdue.
 
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How do we know Les didn't turn down Purdue. All we heard was that he was out of the running for that job. Perhaps he wanted too much money, perhaps he wanted control that Purdue wasn't willing to give. Maybe it was all a manipulation by Purdue or Les Miles to give some urgency to another program or candidate and he was never actually an option there. That's a bad example of why not to hire the guy, he's a stabilizing force and the best option available.

The fact that he can start immediately is a huge plus also as someone pointed out. There shouldn't be any lag in hiring.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Do you honestly think he wanted to go to Purdue? Especially when Tennessee, A&M, UCLA, and other programs had known coaches on the hot seat.....

Not saying this to make Miles look that good, but from a pure economics decision. Taking a year off was a hell of a lot better for him than going to Purdue.
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I did think that was possible as well. Honestly, I am not sure whether I'd want him or Malzahn.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't disagree with that, i'm just not sure why people think a 64 year old Les Miles that won't be taking over a Nick Saban built roster will do anything that much better than what butch jones as done.

Les Miles is butch jones, with a much better public persona.
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And SEC titles, and a national championship, and wins over SaBama, and general SEC success. His national championship team was half and half of his guys and Sabans. His second NC was reached all with his own guys.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Respectfully disagree with the above. We do know one thing, Miles has a much bigger sac than Jones in regards to in game decisions.
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that some of those plays worked is the only thing separating him from being a complete idiot. some of the actual decisions were awful. bold, yeah. and i do like that. but let's not make it out like he's some great football tactician. he made some really bold calls that worked. but they're the kind of decisions that only go 1 of 2 ways...work, and you're the "mad hatter".....fail and you're a moron.

and as he got further and further away from the roster Saban left him (even though he still continue to recruit at a really high level), he never put an offense on the field that could get over the hump....

and don't even get me started on his clock management skills, of which there are none.
 
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Les didn't discover until his final season that 58 seconds was, in fact, less than a minute.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Les didn't discover until his final season that 58 seconds was, in fact, less than a minute.
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What is it exactly you are looking for in a coach?

Perfection?

The closest out there Saben you could pick out several bad calls and decisions that cost him games and in one case cost him a NC!

Alabama should probably give up on him then. He has made and will continue to make bad calls every now and then.

They are human mistakes happen
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
And SEC titles, and a national championship, and wins over SaBama, and general SEC success. His national championship team was half and half of his guys and Sabans. His second NC was reached all with his own guys.
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The night of LSU's SEC title victory, the teams then ranked #1 (Missouri) and #2 (West Virginia) both lost, allowing LSU to be ranked #2 in the AP, Coaches, Harris, and BCS polls.
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this is how he got to the first national title game. it's not like he was dominating folks...they lost to KY and ARK that year.

and they lost the other national title game they played in.

i'm not saying miles isn't/wasn't a good coach. he is not what we need though. i think Miles lived and died by his unconventional play calling, and it cost him as many games as it did win them. it's a misnomer to think he's some x's and o's guru that finds and takes advantage of your team's weaknesses. he played close to the vest football and literally allowed games, huge games, to come down to some of those whacky calls.

great if the work. they don't work, he'd likely of been fired long before last year.
 
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I would happily trade Butch for Les right now, all things considered.

East is much easier than the west, and he would (presumably) impliment a vertical passing/running game which we haven’t seen in at least 5 yrs
 
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jakez4ut said:
this is how he got to the first national title game. it's not like he was dominating folks...they lost to KY and ARK that year.

and they lost the other national title game they played in.

i'm not saying miles isn't/wasn't a good coach. he is not what we need though. i think Miles lived and died by his unconventional play calling, and it cost him as many games as it did win them. it's a misnomer to think he's some x's and o's guru that finds and takes advantage of your team's weaknesses. he played close to the vest football and literally allowed games, huge games, to come down to some of those whacky calls.

great if the work. they don't work, he'd likely of been fired long before last year.
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Then you can't credit Saban with winning that Natty when they lucked into a Natty Berth.

Which is a crazy assumption. Les didn't luck into a national title. He did what he had to do that season and won.

Had LSU gotten Oklahoma State, Les has a second ring.
 
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if we hired Les Miles, how long do you think he coaches here? i'll readily agree that i think he's better than Butch. but at this point, that's a pretty low bar.

i just think if you hire Les Miles, you're doing so as a stop gap. say he comes in and he is successful for a couple three years, that's about all your'e going to get out of him. and it'll be time to make another hire.

if for no other reason, i don't see the point in hiring someone that is just going to be a set up guy for the next, 'next' guy. at some point this program has to hire someone that's going to be able to provide some semblance of success rather quickly, and that can translate that in to long term success.

i don't see Les Miles as that guy. now, had a Les Miles been available 5 years ago...to replace Dooley......do it. and i probably wouldn't blink an eye, and would probably applaud the hire.

to me, this hire is more about deciding what this program is, and what it's going to be, than just the next couple years on the field.

put it this way, if you could get a guy that would be just 85% of what Nick Saban is, would you be willing to go thru a first year like Saban went thru? which included a loss to something called Louisiana-Monroe?

i would. and i would more so than i would be willing to hire a les miles, that in all likelihood would inject a shot of adrenaline in the program short term, but may also leave little to be desired 5 years from now....again.
 
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jakez4ut said:
if we hired Les Miles, how long do you think he coaches here? i'll readily agree that i think he's better than Butch. but at this point, that's a pretty low bar.

i just think if you hire Les Miles, you're doing so as a stop gap. say he comes in and he is successful for a couple three years, that's about all your'e going to get out of him. and it'll be time to make another hire.

if for no other reason, i don't see the point in hiring someone that is just going to be a set up guy for the next, 'next' guy. at some point this program has to hire someone that's going to be able to provide some semblance of success rather quickly, and that can translate that in to long term success.

i don't see Les Miles as that guy. now, had a Les Miles been available 5 years ago...to replace Dooley......do it. and i probably wouldn't blink an eye, and would probably applaud the hire.

to me, this hire is more about deciding what this program is, and what it's going to be, than just the next couple years on the field.

put it this way, if you could get a guy that would be just 85% of what Nick Saban is, would you be willing to go thru a first year like Saban went thru? which included a loss to something called Louisiana-Monroe?

i would. and i would more so than i would be willing to hire a les miles, that in all likelihood would inject a shot of adrenaline in the program short term, but may also leave little to be desired 5 years from now....again.
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If Les Miles wound up at Tennessee next year, it would be his last big job. I could see him being here for atleast 8 years minimum. What if Les won a natty or got to the playoff here multiple times? What job would that elevate him for? If he had his way, he would have been a lifer coach at LSU. Could easily see him at Tennessee for atleast 8-10 years as long as he wins, which in the East would be easier than coaching in the West.
 
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