Les Miles thread (merged)

#201
#201
Bob Neyland said:
Excellent post.

If you examine the performance over the last ten years, only four SEC teams have been above 0.600 winning percentage.

Yep. LSU and Les Miles. Say what you want as to his negatives, the guy won. And he's available. And he wants to coach again.
Click to expand...

You know Les gets a bad wrap for those clock management issues yes..... but those were early into his coaching career and I don't remember any recently in his time at LSU

However let's say for the sake of argument he has a couple.... well in the east that means Tennessee still wins the division and is considered the best team in the east under Les Miles

And it's better than watching clock issues EVERY game under Butch
 
#202
#202
vols1707 said:
Would be best fit at Tennessee.

1. Great recruiter
2. Had best teams in league behind Alabama for years in a dominating West division
3. Can get his missing piece with Tennessee's abilities to recruit quarterbacks.
4. Knows the SEC landscape and the relationships with high school coaches in the region
5. Would now have his team in the East division

6. We would get to see what John Kelly, ty chandler COULD actually do!!!
Click to expand...
His QB's were terrible!!! His style of play is awful.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#204
#204
Weezer said:
You do see the flaw in your argument, right? Take your logic and apply it to Butch. He knew his job was on the line, did he change? Leopards don't change their spots.
Click to expand...

No flaw. You are constantly trying to perform a character assassination of Les Miles. Les and Butch are nothing alike.

Les never got fired before. Since he got fired for a specific reason, he will have to change said reason to get another big job. That’s business 101 and he knows that.

Same thing will have to happen with Butch after he gets fired. He will have to change his system to get another job.
 
Last edited:
#208
#208
wildorange said:
If Miles would hire a great OC and stay out of the way there he could win big here. But egos among coaches that have had any success it is sometimes hard to get out of any habits, even bad ones. The one thing Spurrier did especially in his early hey day at UF was to find a DC that he could trust and let him have at it. He realized that offense was his forte and he went and got somebody that he trusted for a DC, someone that he trusted enough to stay out of the way and let him pretty much run it. Jones is a terrible micro manager and that is the downfall of many coaches in my opinion. Sure a head coach needs to oversee and when things aren't working correct them. But the key is hiring people that you know can do their job in a way that you can concentrate on your best area of expertise. I will say Miles is not a very good clock manager, he has had several gaffes in that area. He is not my top choice, but he is better than a bunch of other names in some of these threads. Of course I don't think many of them names would never make the real list at UT this time. JMHO. GBO!!!!
Click to expand...


Well gee, you'd be SEC champs next year if Butch would do that. And he's a recruiter to boot.
 
#209
#209
JMSqb11 said:
No flaw. You are constantly trying to perform a character assassination of Les Miles. Les and Butch are nothing alike.

Les never got fired before. Since he got fired for a specific reason, he will have to change said reason to get another big job. That’s business 101 and he knows that.

Same thing will have to happen with Butch after he gets fired. He will have to change his system to get another job.
Click to expand...

Okay, first, I'm not sure I've ever commented on Les, so I have no idea how I'm constantly trying to "perform character assassination" on him.

Second, how do you make a coach change his system? Ask him nicely? Is there some kind of contract language? Honestly, I don't see it happening. I'm sure in Les' mind, his system was what garnered him the success he had. Why would he change that?

Les and Butch are very much alike in being stubborn and sticking to what they know.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#210
#210
What are Tennessee's other realistic best options?

Gruden is not coming to Tennessee wake up. This is a PR push once again to keep Jon Gruden's stock up.
Plus he hasn't coached football in 9 YEARS!

Mullen: take away Prescott, and then tell me what he has done that would Make Tennessee great.

Kelly: I like this choice would be intriguing to SEE if he could coach & recruit in the SEC this is a BIG maybe but I'd be excited to see the attempt.

Petirno: seen him in the SEC before he couldn't win consistently because he couldn't recruit.

Those are the only realistic options for a team that has to play Alabama every year.

So Les Miles as a proven winner to me is the best choice..... if not Miles bring in Kelly
 
#211
#211
Weezer said:
Okay, first, I'm not sure I've ever commented on Les, so I have no idea how I'm constantly trying to "perform character assassination" on him.

Second, how do you make a coach change his system? Ask him nicely? Is there some kind of contract language? Honestly, I don't see it happening. I'm sure in Les' mind, his system was what garnered him the success he had. Why would he change that?

Les and Butch are very much alike in being stubborn and sticking to what they know.
Click to expand...

It is very easy. Coaches have talks about philosophy on both sides of the ball when it comes to the interviewing process. Any AD is able to see really quickly what kind of offense or defense a prospective coach is going to bring to the program. You also make give him the resources to make a big splash OC hire....

Its really simple.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#212
#212
JMSqb11 said:
It is very easy. Coaches have talks about philosophy on both sides of the ball when it comes to the interviewing process. Any AD is able to see really quickly what kind of offense or defense a prospective coach is going to bring to the program. You also make give him the resources to make a big splash OC hire....

Its really simple.
Click to expand...

Wait a sec... Are you the poster that kept insisting if we somehow landed Chip Kelly, Phil Knight would funnel money into UT?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#213
#213
Weezer said:
Wait a sec... Are you the poster that kept insisting if we somehow landed Chip Kelly, Phil Knight would funnel money into UT?
Click to expand...

I never said he would "funnel money into UT" like some illegal ponzi scheme.

I simply said if Chip came to Knoxville, there would be some sort of financial gain coordinated with Phil Knight. Whether it is a renegotiated Nike contract for us to get more money per year or Phil Knight donated money to us directly. Regardless of the vehicle, Phil Knight would definitely give Tennessee some sort of financial gain if we hired Chip.
 
Last edited:
#214
#214
tvolsfan said:
How about we don't look at coaches who have already been fired for failing to beat our biggest rival?
Click to expand...

well we're not going to hire anyone that has a 'history' of beating Saban and Bama, so if that's a criteria for hire, then the list is really really short.

that said, Miles got fired because he's also not a great offensive mind, and over the course of the last 4-5 years couldn't get an offense on the field that was even capable of competing at a championship level....AND he refused to do anything to change it.

it was his stubbornness to change, and the failure to put results on field as a result that got him canned.

i like Les, and he'd be a huge upgrade at the press conferences. but that's about it. plus he's in his mid 60's. not a guy that you want to start over with.

hiring him, all but guarantees another hire is made in 3-5 years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#215
#215
vols1707 said:
Would be best fit at Tennessee.

1. Great recruiter
2. Had best teams in league behind Alabama for years in a dominating West division
3. Can get his missing piece with Tennessee's abilities to recruit quarterbacks.
4. Knows the SEC landscape and the relationships with high school coaches in the region
5. Would now have his team in the East division

6. We would get to see what John Kelly, ty chandler COULD actually do!!!
Click to expand...

Jimminy Cricket! Enough, already!!!!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#216
#216
Les was starting to fade in the college game and is too stubborn...a lot like the guy over there now. He had it going at one time but there are better coaches out there now. Les would be outside the top 5 for me.
 
#217
#217
I would give my left nut to have the Hatter coaching in Knoxville. He has been my favorite coach since Fulmer and Spurrier. He recruits. He has unique,original trick plays every big game. He has won the Natty. He is about the only coach to beat Saban more than once. He has a cool as fk personality. I have to give my vote to Miles all day. I probably would rather have him than Gruden. He would have QBs here instead of a backfield of RBs. People forget the fact that he was not as successful in his last year or so is the awful joke QB who averaged 80 yds passing and 10 rushing. Hell,he won the Natty with a horrible QB. The guy who looked like Matt Damon and threw it to the other team half the time? Hi forget his name
I dont Google. Anyway, I LIVE for UT football. I am from Jamestown. I have listened or watched every game since 85. I will bleed Big Orange whether we win again or not. I have to say that Miles would bring instant respect and excitement and credibility back to Tennessee football. When you say Tennessee football these days folks start talking about the Titans! The Oilers have more fans than we do now! Please football God and Lord in Heaven help the fools hire Miles. He can bring Tee and Chavis back and Tee can be the HC in waiting. I pray for this. Please let me enjoy my Volunteer football again before I die. Go Vols!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#219
#219
BigOrangeTrain said:
Did he win at a high level?
Click to expand...

You continue to ignore the negatives that come along with Miles.

This is the same guy our fanbase made fun of for his bone headed decisions and the way he manages football games. Now all the sudden we want him as our HC?

He has the exact same mentality Butch. He wants to do everything his way even when it’s not working.

Personally, I’m sick of having stubborn coaches who refuse to step away from their “philosophy”.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#220
#220
VolFreakJosh said:
You continue to ignore the negatives that come along with Miles.

This is the same guy our fanbase made fun of for his bone headed decisions and the way he manages football games. Now all the sudden we want him as our HC?

He has the exact same mentality Butch. He wants to do everything his way even when it’s not working.

Personally, I’m sick of having stubborn coaches who refuse to step away from their “philosophy”.
Click to expand...

I want Chip, you want Chip. However, Miles checks a few of the same boxes Chip does.

Recruiting? Check
Develops Players? Check
Instantly becomes best coach in division? Check

Chip is the pipe dream that a majority of the fan base wants. However, Les is a great fallback option because he literally gets to play a much easier schedule and would win here. We could do much worse than Les.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#221
#221
JMSqb11 said:
I want Chip, you want Chip. However, Miles checks a few of the same boxes Chip does.

Recruiting? Check
Develops Players? Check
Instantly becomes best coach in division? Check

Chip is the pipe dream that a majority of the fan base wants. However, Les is a great fallback option because he literally gets to play a much easier schedule. We could do much worse than Les.
Click to expand...

Here are major concerns on chip Kelly
He hates to recruit. You have to recruit to win big in the SEC
He could win some games because he is a great coach.

But let's say for sake of argument you get Chip Kelly. He gets his players in his system and has some success but not elite. Or he has enough SEC pressure and takes a different job from another conference.

WHAT WOULD TENNESSEE'S roster look like after Chip??? It would be really, really bad for another coach's style in the SEC

What would Tennessee's roster look like after Les Miles here 8-12 years? The NFL combine
 
#222
#222
JMSqb11 said:
I want Chip, you want Chip. However, Miles checks a few of the same boxes Chip does.

Recruiting? Check
Develops Players? Check
Instantly becomes best coach in division? Check

Chip is the pipe dream that a majority of the fan base wants. However, Les is a great fallback option because he literally gets to play a much easier schedule. We could do much worse than Les.
Click to expand...

Yeah we can do a lot worse than Miles but we can do so much better.

I’m just saying, Miles is the type of coach who’d fart around and cost you a couple of big games due to poor clock & game management.

His style of play wasn’t working at LSU... Instead of changing it, he found himself out of the job.

Same reason why Butch is fixing to be out of Knoxville.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#224
#224
vols1707 said:
Here are major concerns on chip Kelly
He hates to recruit. You have to recruit to win big in the SEC
He could win some games because he is a great coach.

But let's say for sake of argument you get Chip Kelly. He gets his players in his system and has some success but not elite. Or he has enough SEC pressure and takes a different job from another conference.

WHAT WOULD TENNESSEE'S roster look like after Chip??? It would be really, really bad for another coach's style in the SEC

What would Tennessee's roster look like after Les Miles here 8-12 years? The NFL combine
Click to expand...

First off, Tennessee sells itself. Butch literally has to recruit his ass off because he doesn't have a product on the field that can recruit on its own merit.

Its a digital and social media world. That is how recruiting is evolving to. Chip doesn't have to be on the road constantly recruiting like Butch.

Secondly, Kelly would only leave for the NFL. And he ain't getting another NFL job without 5-7 years in college doing well like he did at Oregon.

Lastly, Chip would rule the SEC East every year. The guy wins to put it simply. It is amazing that people are literally performing a character assassination of a guy who went 46-7.....
 
#225
#225
VolFreakJosh said:
Yeah we can do a lot worse than Miles but we can do so much better.

I’m just saying, Miles is the type of coach who’d fart around and cost you a couple of big games due to poor clock & game management.

His style of play wasn’t working at LSU... Instead of changing it, he found himself out of the job.

Same reason why Butch is fixing to be out of Knoxville.

Be careful what you wish for.
Click to expand...

Dumb people gonna say dumb things.

At the end of the day if Les wants another big job, he will have to change the main reason he got fired from LSU: His offensive philosophy.

As an AD, you sit him down and give him a blank check to hire a talented OC.

Part of the interview process with AD's and Coaches is talking about coaching philosophy.

Business 101 tells us that you have to change the product (Les as a Coach) to keep demand high.

The only thing that held Les back at LSU the last few years was having a quality OC. I am pretty sure he knows that.


Also it is a major insult comparing Butch to Les Miles.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
New Posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

Advertisement



Back
Top