Les Miles thread (merged)

#176
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fade route said:
Who do you want? Just curious
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My wishlist however unreasonable it might be:

1a-Gruden
1b-Kelly
3-Patterson
4-Peterson

I have nothing against Miles personally, I just feel like his best days are behind.. JMO..
 
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vols1707 said:
Would be best fit at Tennessee.

1. Great recruiter
2. Had best teams in league behind Alabama for years in a dominating West division
3. Can get his missing piece with Tennessee's abilities to recruit quarterbacks.
4. Knows the SEC landscape and the relationships with high school coaches in the region
5. Would now have his team in the East division

6. We would get to see what John Kelly, ty chandler COULD actually do!!!
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Gtfo nobody in college football wants Miles ... dude made a living off recruiting heaven at LSU , won on talent alone. Blew big games when a coach was needed. No frigging way
 
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LSU-SIU said:
6-8 in the SECW from 2014 through Auburn 2016, he was 2-4 over his last six SECW games, last year and this year would have probably been a disaster, if he had continued. imo There is no lining up your big guys and doing a pitch dive right now with this group.

It was very apparent that the LSU players were not buying in against Wisconsin last year.
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Pointing out how much he deteriorated near the end of his LSU run doesn't work here.....Some only see his overall record and ignore everything else.
 
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#179
There's a whole different factor at play going on that none of you turds are thinking about...

UT no longer controls the state of GA, SC, or even TN for the best recruits the likes Fulmer had during the 90's.

That decade was an anomaly in UT football history.

We aren't going to be an Alabama/LSU team year in year out, ever.

Historically, we are 8-4 or 9-3 at best with the occasional run at 10-2 or 11-1.

Why is this so hard for you all to comprehend???

The people arguing for Les Miles can't understand he was lucky to have Louisiana for his home recruiting state. There's nothing special about Les and recruiting abilities. He did nothing special at ok state. Did you ever see him out recruit the sooners at any point while he was there? no.

Fulmer was probably a better recruiter anyway since he had to go out of state to get the best talent. Thats a much harder task.

Come to your senses people and quit with the fairy tales of Gruden, Kelly, or whoever you keep hearing about over at the water cooler.

We are Michigan, a la the SEC. Big fan base, big tradition, so so records.
 
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TuVol4u said:
There's a whole different factor at play going on that none of you turds are thinking about...

UT no longer controls the state of GA, SC, or even TN for the best recruits the likes Fulmer had during the 90's.

That decade was an anomaly in UT football history.

We aren't going to be an Alabama/LSU team year in year out, ever.

Historically, we are 8-4 or 9-3 at best with the occasional run at 10-2 or 11-1.

Why is this so hard for you all to comprehend???

The people arguing for Les Miles can't understand he was lucky to have Louisiana for his home recruiting state. There's nothing special about Les and recruiting abilities. He did nothing special at ok state. Did you ever see him out recruit the sooners at any point while he was there? no.

Fulmer was probably a better recruiter anyway since he had to go out of state to get the best talent. Thats a much harder task.

Come to your senses people and quit with the fairy tales of Gruden, Kelly, or whoever you keep hearing about over at the water cooler.

We are Michigan, a la the SEC. Big fan base, big tradition, so so records.
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Are you saying it’s easier to recruit at Oklahoma State than LSU/Tennessee?

Tennessee sells itself. Les Miles would be “lucky” here in recruiting. He has never not recruited well in the SEC. you’re an idiot to think Tennessee wouldn’t sell itself to recruits. Especially in a weak division with only one good team in Georgia.

Les isn’t and shouldn’t be in people’s top 3 but he would definitely be worthy of a top 5 pick.

Dumb people gonna say dumb things. If Butch can recruit like gangbusters at UT, Les who has actual credibility can do just as well if not better.
 
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o3marine52 said:
100% and he failed that with some top tier recruiting.
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Failure looks like Butch. Les is light years bettter than Butch.

Also, if he is a failure, why would his hire automatically make him the best coach in the division and second best coach in the SEC?
 
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vols1707 said:
Would be best fit at Tennessee.

1. Great recruiter
2. Had best teams in league behind Alabama for years in a dominating West division
3. Can get his missing piece with Tennessee's abilities to recruit quarterbacks.
4. Knows the SEC landscape and the relationships with high school coaches in the region
5. Would now have his team in the East division

6. We would get to see what John Kelly, ty chandler COULD actually do!!![/QUOTE

This, kids, is what your mind on drugs looks like!
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JMSqb11 said:
Well you see, he got fired for sticking to his offensive philosophy. For him to get another job, as I said, he would have to make that change. It’s business 101. If he really wants another big job, which I think he’s fully capable of with a talented OC, he has would make that change easily.
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We just disagree. I don't think he will change and I don't think he'll get another major job. His offense was terrible and his clock management was just as bad.
 
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If Miles would hire a great OC and stay out of the way there he could win big here. But egos among coaches that have had any success it is sometimes hard to get out of any habits, even bad ones. The one thing Spurrier did especially in his early hey day at UF was to find a DC that he could trust and let him have at it. He realized that offense was his forte and he went and got somebody that he trusted for a DC, someone that he trusted enough to stay out of the way and let him pretty much run it. Jones is a terrible micro manager and that is the downfall of many coaches in my opinion. Sure a head coach needs to oversee and when things aren't working correct them. But the key is hiring people that you know can do their job in a way that you can concentrate on your best area of expertise. I will say Miles is not a very good clock manager, he has had several gaffes in that area. He is not my top choice, but he is better than a bunch of other names in some of these threads. Of course I don't think many of them names would never make the real list at UT this time. JMHO. GBO!!!!
 
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gemlek said:
vols1707 said:
Would be best fit at Tennessee.

1. Great recruiter
2. Had best teams in league behind Alabama for years in a dominating West division
3. Can get his missing piece with Tennessee's abilities to recruit quarterbacks.
4. Knows the SEC landscape and the relationships with high school coaches in the region
5. Would now have his team in the East division

6. We would get to see what John Kelly, ty chandler COULD actually do!!![/QUOTE

This, kids, is what your mind on drugs looks like!
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7. He confused the hell out of opponents with his substitution and clock management.

8. Can tell with one taste what's wrong with the grass ... on the field. Keeping players away from the other grass hasn't been a strong point though.
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vols1707 said:
Would be best fit at Tennessee.

1. Great recruiter
2. Had best teams in league behind Alabama for years in a dominating West division
3. Can get his missing piece with Tennessee's abilities to recruit quarterbacks.
4. Knows the SEC landscape and the relationships with high school coaches in the region
5. Would now have his team in the East division

6. We would get to see what John Kelly, ty chandler COULD actually do!!!
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get real

les miles equals bill battle
 
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#190
Ppl are mad now that butch didn't use his 1 NFL ready player. Les had over 40 (more than saban)
 
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Tarkus said:
We just disagree. I don't think he will change and I don't think he'll get another major job. His offense was terrible and his clock management was just as bad.
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Well, he’s never been fired prior to last year. So you have no proof he wouldn’t change.

Since he knows he got fired for a certain reason, his getting another job depends on him changing his philosophy. We know it, he knows it, everybody knows it.
 
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#192
If Les hired a legit OC and gave him full control of the offense, no doubt in my mind it would work out well here.
 
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gemlek said:
vols1707 said:
Would be best fit at Tennessee.

1. Great recruiter
2. Had best teams in league behind Alabama for years in a dominating West division
3. Can get his missing piece with Tennessee's abilities to recruit quarterbacks.
4. Knows the SEC landscape and the relationships with high school coaches in the region
5. Would now have his team in the East division

6. We would get to see what John Kelly, ty chandler COULD actually do!!![/QUOTE


Are you kidding?
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#194
I went through the entire list of Top 25 coaches this morning. I asked myself, if I was this guy ... would I go to Tennessee? And the answer was "no". No diss on UT, but UT is a bottom 4 team in the SEC and the only reason to go would be for money. Those kind of coaches are journeyman and for the most part, Petrino isn't coming to UT (bad fit).

Let's face it. There's going to be a lot of coaching turnover this year and not many good ones available. I think we could do ourselves a lot of good to get someone like Les Miles to restore the program and build a real coaching staff.

Honestly, I don't see anyone else out there unless we pull another Butch, hire a OC/DC, or a failed NFL coach.
 
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#195
I see some on here talking about not wanting Miles because he couldnt beat Saban. Just stop. The fact is coaches like Saban are extremely rare. We may never see another one like him. So if the criteria for our new HC is based upon the ability to beat Saban, then please give the list.

Reading posts on here about Butch, what does one normally see when discussing his short comings? Terrible in game coaching, failure to develop talent, he is in over his head and he doesnt know what it takes to win in the SEC. Maybe we should examine Miles record. From 2005-2016, Miles lost 34 total games. 23 of those losses were to ranked teams. Miles very rarely lost to teams he shouldnt have. The vast majority of Miles teams were very competative even against extremely tough teams like 2010 Auburn and 2012 Alabama. Miles also did something Saban couldnt, he beat a Manziel TAMU twice.

Miles sent a ton of players into the NFL and his guys have been more successful than Saban's. We all know that to win in the SEC you need to win in the trenches. Miles's teams were known for good OL and great DL play. Miles knows exactly what it takes to win at an extremely high level in the SEC. He is an A+ recruiter and a hell of a coach.

If we hired Miles are we going to win the SEC title every year? Nope. Not going to happen. As long as Saban is at Alabama, the chances that anyone wins besides them are slim. But I would suspect we would be winning the East fairly regularly and if not winning it, be competing for it. And isnt that what most of our expectations are for a new HC?

Oh and just for a good read check out this link from last year. Pay attention to number 1 and 2 on the list. See how close they are.

Every current SEC head coach vs. ranked teams

Nick Saban, Alabama/LSU/Michigan State

Overall: 63-37 (.630)

2015: 5-1

Biggest win: 42-14 win over No. 1 Notre Dame, 2013 National Championship Game

As always, Nick Saban is the gold standard when it comes to winning games. The Alabama coach has won 63 percent of his games against ranked opponents, more than any other coach in the SEC. Saban has leveraged that success into five national championships, four of which came in Tuscaloosa, Ala.

Les Miles, LSU/Oklahoma State

Overall: 44-26 (.628)

2015: 2-2

Biggest win: 38-24 win over No. 1 Ohio State, 2008 National Championship Game

Many criticize Les Miles for not always getting the most out of his team, but the LSU coach has been lights out against top competition. Miles has won 62.8 percent of his games against AP teams, including a win in the 2008 national champion game. For whatever LSU boosters want to say, Miles is one of the most successful coaches in program history.

Now tell me Miles cannot coach with the best of them.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Now tell me Miles cannot coach with the best of them.
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Excellent post.

If you examine the performance over the last ten years, only four SEC teams have been above 0.600 winning percentage.

Yep. LSU and Les Miles. Say what you want as to his negatives, the guy won. And he's available. And he wants to coach again.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Well you see, he got fired for sticking to his offensive philosophy. For him to get another job, as I said, he would have to make that change. It’s business 101. If he really wants another big job, which I think he’s fully capable of with a talented OC, he has would make that change easily.
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You do see the flaw in your argument, right? Take your logic and apply it to Butch. He knew his job was on the line, did he change? Leopards don't change their spots.
 
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