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Hey @kiddiedoc what do you think about the RFK/Trump etc claims of about Tylenol ingestion by pregnant moms being a contributing factor to autism? I honestly thought about starting a thread for this, because if it turns out to be true it will be a HUGE deal right? Having had a couple kids I know that acetaminophen is one of very few meds actually prescribed to pregnant women for pain as well as one of the very few used on infants and toddlers for fevers, pain etc. It seems from my limited knowledge that more studies need to be done both before and after birth to see if there is in fact a correlation or causation effect here. It seems at least logically plausible but I have roughly zero trust in any government at this point 🤔 Not trying to put you on the spot or asking you to make a definite statement based on limited info...just wondering what you think because I value your opinion and know you to be honest. Will this change the way you advise Tylenol for infants/toddlers or their moms planning to have another child soon as many women do?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Hey @kiddiedoc what do you think about the RFK/Trump etc claims of about Tylenol ingestion by pregnant moms being a contributing factor to autism? I honestly thought about starting a thread for this, because if it turns out to be true it will be a HUGE deal right? Having had a couple kids I know that acetaminophen is one of very few meds actually prescribed to pregnant women for pain as well as one of the very few used on infants and toddlers for fevers, pain etc. It seems from my limited knowledge that more studies need to be done both before and after birth to see if there is in fact a correlation or causation effect here. It seems at least logically plausible but I have roughly zero trust in any government at this point 🤔 Not trying to put you on the spot or asking you to make a definite statement based on limited info...just wondering what you think because I value your opinion and know you to be honest. Will this change the way you advise Tylenol for infants/toddlers or their moms planning to have another child soon as many women do?
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Hey buddy. There have been several reports in peer-reviewed literature over the years investigating a link between acetaminophen and autism. A few have concluded that there  could be a link, but the statistics aren't convincing, and there are so many confounding variables. It is DEFINITELY NOT conclusive that acetaminophen poses any risk, but I do believe that continued research is warranted.

My advice to pregnant mothers (and to my patients) is to only take medication when you need it, low grade fevers are not harmful, and there are more natural and alternative ways to deal with discomfort, when appropriate.

Honestly, we aren't going to find "the" cause of autism. It's most certainly some combination of more systematic screening, genetics, environmental factors (food sources, toxins, radiation, etc.), early exposure to things like tv/games/media, and possibly gestational exposures.

My $0.02
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Hey buddy. There have been several reports in peer-reviewed literature over the years investigating a link between acetaminophen and autism. A few have concluded that there  could be a link, but the statistics aren't convincing, and there are so many confounding variables. It is DEFINITELY NOT conclusive that acetaminophen poses any risk, but I do believe that continued research is warranted.

My advice to pregnant mothers (and to my patients) is to only take medication when you need it, low grade fevers are not harmful, and there are more natural and alternative ways to deal with discomfort, when appropriate.

Honestly, we aren't going to find "the" cause of autism. It's most certainly some combination of more systematic screening, genetics, environmental factors (food sources, toxins, radiation, etc.), early exposure to things like tv/games/media, and possibly gestational exposures.

My $0.02
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Thanks bud. Sorry if I am being dense...but what do you mean by systematic screening? Like scans, Xrays, ultrasound etc when the baby is developing perhaps causing a problem? I think environmental factors can definitely be one of the causes such as the "forever chemicals" and a slew of other pollutants in our air/food/water etc that we likely haven't even considered. Good point about it likely being a combination of factors too...although there are some things that seem to have objectively harmed children's (all US citizens thereby) brains such as leaded gasoline and lead paint which from what I read have really been detrimental for people born in the 60s and 70s. The term autism now describes such a variety/spectrum (luther ruined that word) that theres not ever gonna be a "smoking gun" type culprit for all those mental issues right? Anyway, thanks for the quick reply bud. Always appreciate your insight.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Hey buddy. There have been several reports in peer-reviewed literature over the years investigating a link between acetaminophen and autism. A few have concluded that there  could be a link, but the statistics aren't convincing, and there are so many confounding variables. It is DEFINITELY NOT conclusive that acetaminophen poses any risk, but I do believe that continued research is warranted.

My advice to pregnant mothers (and to my patients) is to only take medication when you need it, low grade fevers are not harmful, and there are more natural and alternative ways to deal with discomfort, when appropriate.

Honestly, we aren't going to find "the" cause of autism. It's most certainly some combination of more systematic screening, genetics, environmental factors (food sources, toxins, radiation, etc.), early exposure to things like tv/games/media, and possibly gestational exposures.

My $0.02
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I'm not a doctor but I'll add to this as someone who's studied the animals he cares for. Any completely natural (non synthetic) compounds you can use in place of "created/engineered" the better.

I'm not saying forgo medication. I'm saying if there are things you can do to naturally reduce fever, reduce inflammation, discomfort use those. In cases where intervention is needed consult with your doctor to find the best treatment for you.

If over overstepped my bounds doc I'll take my lumps. I've studied medicine for my animals, my vet tells me I'm an expert in small ruminants, self taught. When I have an issue I tell him the symptoms, what I've fine thus far and what I think. Hell give me whatever needs I ask for unless he disagrees and things I should take an alternative route, that's only happened once.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Thanks bud. Sorry if I am being dense...but what do you mean by systematic screening?
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All children are (should be) screened with developmental surveys at well checks starting at 1 month. We do specific autism symptom surveys at 18 and 24 months. There are standardized screens and diagnostic criteria.

To my knowledge, most of this was not available as recently as 25 years ago. A lot of kids were just labeled as "socially delayed," "slow," having communication/language delays, or awkward prior to that.

There are no standard tests using imaging or labwork for autism.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Hey buddy. There have been several reports in peer-reviewed literature over the years investigating a link between acetaminophen and autism. A few have concluded that there  could be a link, but the statistics aren't convincing, and there are so many confounding variables. It is DEFINITELY NOT conclusive that acetaminophen poses any risk, but I do believe that continued research is warranted.

My advice to pregnant mothers (and to my patients) is to only take medication when you need it, low grade fevers are not harmful, and there are more natural and alternative ways to deal with discomfort, when appropriate.

Honestly, we aren't going to find "the" cause of autism. It's most certainly some combination of more systematic screening, genetics, environmental factors (food sources, toxins, radiation, etc.), early exposure to things like tv/games/media, and possibly gestational exposures.

My $0.02
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Just read this…disregard my tag on you in the other thread where I posted.
 
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Not Covid, but this flu going around is insane. Seems like everyone is getting it. My mom is a nurse at a nursing home in Morristown, and they have almost 30 cases between residents and workers with Flu A.
 
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headhunter15 said:
Not Covid, but this flu going around is insane. Seems like everyone is getting it. My mom is a nurse at a nursing home in Morristown, and they have almost 30 cases between residents and workers with Flu A.
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Yup. My local Healthcare facilities just implemented another mask mandate until mid Janurary due to it.
 
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headhunter15 said:
Not Covid, but this flu going around is insane. Seems like everyone is getting it. My mom is a nurse at a nursing home in Morristown, and they have almost 30 cases between residents and workers with Flu A.
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The prevalent strains of influenza A are not a good match with this year's vaccine. It's an educated guess each year, and it's been good the past few years... this year, not so much.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Not sure why I keep getting flu shot. Got the flu shot. Got the flu (3rd year in a row)....

To be fair, was mild for me....
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In the 90s I had to get everything you can imagine every year for deployments including flu and I would still get the flu. 😂 Always got sick as a dog especially with Typhoid. Typhoid would lay me out for about week. Haven't had any vaccines in about 27+ years and I barely get sick at all. I really haven't even been to the doctor but once and I wasn't even sick that time. The other day scared the crap out of me. I am over in our barn getting some lumber and I start moving some and right were my hand was, was a fairly large silver tipped bat. I didn't know what it was because it was dark in the barn but it actually looked like a big piece of black moss. I was going to pick it up and something in my head was telling me that wasn't such a good idea. I had my gloves on but I was like... whatever that is, really shouldn't be there. Pull out my phone and snapped a pic and yup, the bat was playing dead.

Long story, not sure a vaccine has ever kept me specifically out of the doctor's office or hospital, I would say I most likely have been much sicker with them. (not definitive proof or anything) I have actually thought about the pre-exposure rabies vaccination in the past before this incident. Short story, my gloves probably have saved me from the doctor's office or hospital more.

I really don't get the logic of the flu vaccine even if one thought it was reasonable safe.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Not sure why I keep getting flu shot. Got the flu shot. Got the flu (3rd year in a row)....

To be fair, was mild for me....
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Glad it was a mild case for you....I have never gotten a flu shot. I also almost never ever get the flu. I am thankful that God gave me a great natural immune system and I dont take it for granted. I am pretty faithful at taking Vitamin C, D, zinc among other vitamins and supplements.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Glad it was a mild case for you....I have never gotten a flu shot. I also almost never ever get the flu. I am thankful that God gave me a great natural immune system and I dont take it for granted. I am pretty faithful at taking Vitamin C, D, zinc among other vitamins and supplements.
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Thx

This year was first year of the 3 I actually vomited. The muscle aches are dead giveaway. The muscle aches suck but Biofreeze and Ibuprofen was all I needed...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Not sure why I keep getting flu shot. Got the flu shot. Got the flu (3rd year in a row)....

To be fair, was mild for me....
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Flu shots are only $ makers for the pharm industry, they have leftover stock each year and paid politicians to put it in as a medicare requirement that all hospitals have 90% or more compliance...they then sell the hospitals their stock supply to use, it's only about 28% effective to one type of flu strain a year
 
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VolinWayne said:
Glad it was a mild case for you....I have never gotten a flu shot. I also almost never ever get the flu. I am thankful that God gave me a great natural immune system and I dont take it for granted. I am pretty faithful at taking Vitamin C, D, zinc among other vitamins and supplements.
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Eating some meat, getting outside, and getting some sun would do it for most people. Easy to see that the sickest are the most sedentary and eating the least nutritious diet.
 
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utvolpj said:
How did big in pharma cause the fentanyl issue?
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"Fentanyl was first synthesized in 1959 by the Belgian chemist Paul Janssen, founder of Janssen Pharmaceutica. It was developed as a powerful intravenous anesthetic and pain reliever for use in surgical settings. "

Opiod crisis and the resulting need for something stronger. I didn't realize it had been around that long to be honest.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
"Fentanyl was first synthesized in 1959 by the Belgian chemist Paul Janssen, founder of Janssen Pharmaceutica. It was developed as a powerful intravenous anesthetic and pain reliever for use in surgical settings. "

Opiod crisis and the resulting need for something stronger. I didn't realize it had been around that long to be honest.
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So big pharma gets blamed simply because fentanyl exists? Not sure I understand that
 
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