Lane Kiffin says security wanted him to wear bulletproof vest

[VFL-82-JP]

Civility has been on the decline for years, and social violence on the rise.

Knowing that, any person who goes out of his way to insult, antagonize, and troll others should be worried that one of the people he has offended might be a nut job with a weapon.

You reap what you sow; that is more true in the current social climate than usual.

I don't condone disproportionate violence. Kiffin hasn't earned any response more harmful than a good butt-whuppin'. But he may get it anyway, because of his own trollish behavior.

Yep. Wear a vest, Lane. Not a bad idea, as long as you continue to be an immature clown.

 

[Gandalf]

He would have been a way better hire than Pruitt. He could have come home and righted everything while getting us to winning immediately.

I dont know about that, CJP is unproven as a HC but he has been doing exactly the right things so far. Kiffy would have been a strong hire and God forbid that someone in the SEC picks him up. There is no doubt he is truly an offensive genius on the field and his social media trollfu is strong indeed. But with Pruitt, I feel we get an up and comer defensive mastermind without all of Kiffin's baggage (and there is a lot of it).

 

[VFL-82-JP]

That’s just unbelievably stupid. If a security guy really did advise that, he should be fired on the spot for gross incompetence. Were people gonna boo Kiffin, even throw something at him (there’s always one-off blithering drunk idiots around), sure. But nobody was gonna freaking try and shoot the guy. For crying out loud.

95% chance you're right, KB. Maybe even 99%. Or 99.9%.

Thing is...security elements aren't paid to protect you to the 95% confidence level. Or the 99.9% level. They have to get it right 100% of the time. If you're their charge, and you walk past 10,000 people, they have to be ready to protect you from all 10,000. One 'oops' is the entire job failed.

Their advice wasn't stupid. Hyper-cautious, yes. But not incompetence, not at all.

Just takes one nut job and one bullet for them to utterly fail at their job.

 

[Behr]

Lol.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Alabama fans have the market cornered on nut jobs.





Sister: Deadly shooting was over Alabama loss

Only in Alabama. It is a shame that Huntsville is in that State and not in Tennessee.

 

[sanefan]

95% chance you're right, KB. Maybe even 99%. Or 99.9%.

Thing is...security elements aren't paid to protect you to the 95% confidence level. Or the 99.9% level. They have to get it right 100% of the time. If you're their charge, and you walk past 10,000 people, they have to be ready to protect you from all 10,000. One 'oops' is the entire job failed.

Their advice wasn't stupid. Hyper-cautious, yes. But not incompetence, not at all.

Just takes one nut job and one bullet for them to utterly fail at their job.

This is right. Anyone that suggests a security person lose his/her job does not understand security.

Securities job is to put its charges in a bullet-proof/bomb_proof room until the threat is past. The charges job is to go out and do what they are supposed to do. Hopefully they meet in-between.

The conversation was correct, and the outcome was correct. No vest but extra security. However, if there had been a nut out there, we would all be after the security person that let him go without a vest.

 

[KBVol]

Civility has been on the decline for years, and social violence on the rise.

Knowing that, any person who goes out of his way to insult, antagonize, and troll others should be worried that one of the people he has offended might be a nut job with a weapon.

You reap what you sow; that is more true in the current social climate than usual.

I don't condone disproportionate violence. Kiffin hasn't earned any response more harmful than a good butt-whuppin'. But he may get it anyway, because of his own trollish behavior.

Yep. Wear a vest, Lane. Not a bad idea, as long as you continue to be an immature clown.

Come on JP. Security detail? Yes. Bullet proof best? Lol....no.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Come on JP. Security detail? Yes. Bullet proof best? Lol....no.

You thinking like a sane person, KB.

It's not the sane person who is going to take a gun and pop Kiffin. No more than it was a sane person who poisoned those trees down in Auburn, Alabama. Or committed murder last week in (insert name of practically any city in the US).

Violence happens. Nut jobs exist.

Security details have to anticipate the possibility that one of those nut jobs happens to also be one of the people who was offended by their charge.


p.s. You react as if wearing a vest is a huge deal. I wore a vest on and off throughout my career. My brother-in-law, a former Nashville metro cop, wore one every single day he went to work. It's not that big a burden. Especially if you've trolled as many people as Kiffin has. Life insurance. That's all it is.

 

[KBVol]

This is right. Anyone that suggests a security person lose his/her job does not understand security.

Securities job is to put its charges in a bullet-proof/bomb_proof room until the threat is past. The charges job is to go out and do what they are supposed to do. Hopefully they meet in-between.

The conversation was correct, and the outcome was correct. No vest but extra security. However, if there had been a nut out there, we would all be after the security person that let him go without a vest.

Lol. Context is important here. Nobody was gonna take a gun to Neyland stadium and shoot Lane Kiffin or any other football coach. Nobody has ever taken a shot at a coach at a stadium, and as many crazed fans as there are anc have always been, there never will be.

Like I said, surround him with security, keep crowds away to a certain distance, follow as many security protocols as you want. But have him wear a Kevlar vest? Lol. Come on guys, it’s being beyond over zealous. Did Kiffin even have so much as a beer thrown at him? Display a little common sense here guys by applying the necessary context.

 

[KBVol]

You thinking like a sane person, KB.

It's not the sane person who is going to take a gun and pop Kiffin. No more than it was a sane person who poisoned those trees down in Auburn, Alabama. Or committed murder last week in (insert name of practically any city in the US).

Violence happens. Nut jobs exist.

Security details have to anticipate the possibility that one of those nut jobs happens to also be one of the people who was offended by their charge.

Im thinking like someone who has a grasp of the context of the moment. No one has ever taken a shot at coach at a stadium, and all Kiffin got was a handful of boos and some signs. Take all the security measures you want, but stop short of recommending a freaking Kevlar best because Kiffin was never remotely in that sort of danger.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Lol. Context is important here. Nobody was gonna take a gun to Neyland stadium and shoot Lane Kiffin or any other football coach. Nobody has ever taken a shot at a coach at a stadium, and as many crazed fans as there are anc have always been, there never will be.

Like I said, surround him with security, keep crowds away to a certain distance, follow as many security protocols as you want. But have him wear a Kevlar vest? Lol. Come on guys, it’s being beyond over zealous. Did Kiffin even have so much as a beer thrown at him? Display a little common sense here guys by applying the necessary context.

Oh, you think they're talking about just inside the stadium?

See, if I were providing security for Kiffin, I'd be most worried about kinetics before Kiffin got into the stadium, and as he was leaving it. Outside the stadium's own security perimeter. Like here:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8G0PGxjOK8[/youtube]

I'll bet the security detail were primarily interested in him wearing a vest to get in and out.

And I'm not just talking about at Neyland. Kiffin pisses off a lot of people, in a lot of places. He should be worried about security any time he's in public spaces on a published schedule.

 

[KBVol]

You thinking like a sane person, KB.

It's not the sane person who is going to take a gun and pop Kiffin. No more than it was a sane person who poisoned those trees down in Auburn, Alabama. Or committed murder last week in (insert name of practically any city in the US).

Violence happens. Nut jobs exist.

Security details have to anticipate the possibility that one of those nut jobs happens to also be one of the people who was offended by their charge.


p.s. You react as if wearing a vest is a huge deal. I wore a vest on and off throughout my career. My brother-in-law, a former Nashville metro cop, wore one every single day he went to work. It's not that big a burden. Especially if you've trolled as many people as Kiffin has. Life insurance. That's all it is.

God bless you and the other former and present military members, those in law enforcement and those who work in security. Nothing but respect for you guys. But again, a little context here. Working as a metro cop or in another similar capacity involves, as you and we all know, potentially putting your life on the line. Walking into Neyland stadium and onto Shields-Watkins Field at no point, no matter the circumstances, including those involving Kiffin’s, ever puts one’s life into danger...and suggesting it does is just ludicrous imo. At what point should the security measures have proceeded? Should they have gone beyond a Kevlar vest? Should Kiffin have been rolled out in the Pope Mobile? (President Bush wore a Kevlar vest after 911 when he threw out the first pitch of the World Series in Yankee Stadium.....that was fully understandable, the potential threat was on a scale a 1,000 times higher than Kiffin returning to Knoxville.) The obvious answer is no, because any “danger” Kiffin was ever in never rose above requiring anything more than a simple security detail to keep fans who wanted to boo him at arms length.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

99% chance you're right, KB. Maybe even 99.9%.

But--again--security details don't get to play to that confidence level.

We're starting to argue in circles here, so I'm gonna stop. We can agree to disagree.

 

[bigorangecrush89]

Only in Alabama. It is a shame that Huntsville is in that State and not in Tennessee.

Well, the best part of the state is called the Tennessee Valley.

 

[KBVol]

99% chance you're right, KB. Maybe even 99.9%.

But--again--security details don't get to play to that confidence level.

We're starting to argue in circles here, so I'm gonna stop. We can agree to disagree.

No worries. Just thinking appropriate threat assessment of Kiffin returning for a football game in Neyland doesn’t rise to the level of George W Bush/the President of the United States in Yankee stadium a short time after 911. Agree that we should agree to disagree.

 

[Behr]

Oh. My. Lawdz.

Should definitely drop it.

 

[Grudenator]

I see a relation between Kiffin and D4H. They both scratch and claw for attention.

 

[BloomuVol]

You thinking like a sane person, KB.

It's not the sane person who is going to take a gun and pop Kiffin. No more than it was a sane person who poisoned those trees down in Auburn, Alabama. Or committed murder last week in (insert name of practically any city in the US).

Violence happens. Nut jobs exist.

Security details have to anticipate the possibility that one of those nut jobs happens to also be one of the people who was offended by their charge.


p.s. You react as if wearing a vest is a huge deal. I wore a vest on and off throughout my career. My brother-in-law, a former Nashville metro cop, wore one every single day he went to work. It's not that big a burden. Especially if you've trolled as many people as Kiffin has. Life insurance. That's all it is.

Well see here in lies the problem, what is he going to wear a soft vest? Good for pistols but nothing with some real power, do we put all public figures in class III vests and E-SAPI Plates? It's called a realistic threat analysis. Sure some nut jonb could come in there and shoot him in front of 103,000 witnesses, but it's not very likely or does it have any kind of precedent.

 

[savannahfan]

95% chance you're right, KB. Maybe even 99%. Or 99.9%.

Thing is...security elements aren't paid to protect you to the 95% confidence level. Or the 99.9% level. They have to get it right 100% of the time. If you're their charge, and you walk past 10,000 people, they have to be ready to protect you from all 10,000. One 'oops' is the entire job failed.

Their advice wasn't stupid. Hyper-cautious, yes. But not incompetence, not at all.

Just takes one nut job and one bullet for them to utterly fail at their job.

Not only this, but god forbid, some fool did try this foul deed and be successful, the security folks could say " we asked him to wear a vest, he refused. This would be called covering your a-- either way.

 

[Behr]

Not only this, but god forbid, some fool did try this foul deed and be successful, the security folks could say " we asked him to wear a vest, he refused. This would be called covering your a-- either way.

Nm.

 

[savannahfan]

Lol. Context is important here. Nobody was gonna take a gun to Neyland stadium and shoot Lane Kiffin or any other football coach. Nobody has ever taken a shot at a coach at a stadium, and as many crazed fans as there are anc have always been, there never will be.

Like I said, surround him with security, keep crowds away to a certain distance, follow as many security protocols as you want. But have him wear a Kevlar vest? Lol. Come on guys, it’s being beyond over zealous. Did Kiffin even have so much as a beer thrown at him? Display a little common sense here guys by applying the necessary context.

You sir are not part of the world we live in today.

No one will fly a jet into a building.
No one will blow up a federal building in the heart land.
No one would even think of walking into an elementary school shooting anything that moves.

Get the picture???

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Well see here in lies the problem, what is he going to wear a soft vest? Good for pistols but nothing with some real power, do we put all public figures in class III vests and E-SAPI Plates? It's called a realistic threat analysis. Sure some nut jonb could come in there and shoot him in front of 103,000 witnesses, but it's not very likely or does it have any kind of precedent.

Heh, and there I was, thinking this conversation had run its course.

You see no precedence for violent attacks in the US today?

No one at Sandy Hook saw any precedence for that attack until it occurred.

No one at Toomer's Corner saw any precedence for an attack on oak trees until one occurred.

No one at the Congressional baseball game saw any precedence for an attack there until one occurred.

The fact is, civic violence is on the rise throughout the US.

Meanwhile, every attack is a "first," and is followed by tighter security and the wish that the folks involved had taken the possibility more seriously before hand.

It is always too late to put on the vest after the shot is fired.

And sure, a soft vest will not stop all rounds. But it will stop some. And handguns are the easiest firearms to bring within effective range of a target without notice. So that's better than nothing.

There's no perfect answer to a threat like this, one whose chance of occurrence is so low.

But there is perfect regret if an attack occurs after the target declines protection.

...

Again: it's easy to say, "you're over-reacting." Easy, because you'll be right 99% of the time.

Problem is, 99% does not == 100%.

 

[sanefan]

Lol. Context is important here. Nobody was gonna take a gun to Neyland stadium and shoot Lane Kiffin or any other football coach. Nobody has ever taken a shot at a coach at a stadium, and as many crazed fans as there are anc have always been, there never will be.

Like I said, surround him with security, keep crowds away to a certain distance, follow as many security protocols as you want. But have him wear a Kevlar vest? Lol. Come on guys, it’s being beyond over zealous. Did Kiffin even have so much as a beer thrown at him? Display a little common sense here guys by applying the necessary context.

Spoken like someone whose context is the only one that matters, and the person whose context is AFTER the fact knowing nothing happened. If they had only known what you knew....

Context is funny thing, and completely different when trying to predict the future versus define the past.

 

[volspeach]

He soooooooooo needs to draw attention to himself.. Get over it already!!

 

[a10acfan1]

Here's a point to ponder. How would Kiffin's offense at bama stack up against Pruitt's defense ?