Lady Vols Historic First?

#76
#76
MadMaxSC said:
Pat was a great Coach but the program had already started to slide, in her final years. More schools were grabbing top talent. It was no longer, Pat, Geno and Tara. Other schools were emerging. If we had Pat back, at the top of her game, the LV might still be no better than mediocre, with this team.
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BOOOOOOO. Boo this person. Boo them.

Also, I agree about another year.

But back to the booing. "Program had started to slide?" Where does this come from? 2007 and 2008 were back to back national titles, she was still recruiting top talent after that, and probably suffering from the early symptoms of Alzheimers the final few years before her diagnosis and retirement in 2012. Oh and those last three years while she was fighting that fight? 32-3, 34-3, and 27-9. That's "starting to slide"?

BOOOOO.
 
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#77
#77
MadMaxSC said:
Amazing. In the past, I have seen some of those who are now blasting DW and CKC, telling us all how great they were.

I still believe in DW. He has brought all the Vol programs back to respectability. I never expected CKC to be "lights out," for a few years. I thought she was too young and inexperienced to rebuild a program at U-T. I believe she has the capacity to learn and will do better. I don't believe DW should fire her...I believe all Coaches need at least 3 years to get their feet on the ground.

I believe the LV team does have some pretty good players. However, having a "bunch" of good players doesn't always translate to success. I don't believe some of these "good" players are coachable.

Pat was a great Coach but the program had already started to slide, in her final years. More schools were grabbing top talent. It was no longer, Pat, Geno and Tara. Other schools were emerging. If we had Pat back, at the top of her game, the LV might still be no better than mediocre, with this team. I may be wrong, but I am willing to give CKC another year.
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We have a limit on how many SC fans are allowed on this site. Two, and you are not one of them.
 
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#79
glv98 said:
Sorry, misremembered. Were Diamond and Tea Cooper on that team? Lord poor Holly had a parade of characters there for a while.
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Diamond and Te'a were the year before Evina/Annie/Rennia's freshman year. They had a dumpster fire of a year, and lost to a lot of SEC teams for the first time in forever. I remember there was a loss to LSU where they were up by one, missed two FTs with less than 5 sec in the game, and intentionally fouled the LSU player who got the rebound because they must not have realized they were ahead. She then hit 2 FTs to get the 1 pt win. Somehow,they made it to the Elite 8 and should have beaten Syracuse to make the Final Four, but they played a complete stinker in that game and got blown out. They couldn't throw the ball in the ocean and couldn't rebound to save their life.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Firing Kim Caldwell is a good start.
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Danny Dollar's ego is in the way and his condescending demeanor is not helping.

All White has really done at Tennessee is hire Josh Huepel, which surprisingly turned out well.
Josh pulled our beloved football program out of the decade of misery.
Whether he can get the Vols over the hump from good and back to elite is still a question.
 
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#81
I know it seems cool to put this on the coach but we still do not have a physical presence underneath and the part that causes all the issues, no one knows their role. In short we are highly skilled but soft physically. We have people shooting 3s when they should be shooting layups. Civil will be great go vols.
 
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Amb3096 said:
They won enough 5 Quad One wins is better than any of the bubble teams, and their two ā€œbadā€ losses were to teams that also gave a few other tournament bound teams ā€œbad lossesā€

I think itā€™s misleading though, because they were lucky as hell to get Kentucky and Alabama when they were each down a starter. That Kentucky game would have been a routine win for the Wildcats if they had Key available.
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I hear you, but we also didn't have Barker in the Kentucky game, so I think that comes out as a big and totally fair win for us.
 
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vol_smoothie said:
Not accurate. Sure Coach Neyland built the foundation, but we have had several coaches who have built elite football teams ........ Dickey, Majors, Fulmer
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Neyland is the only one with more than one unbeaten seasons. 75% of our Championships happened under Neyland.
 
#85
#85
vol_smoothie said:
Danny Dollar's ego is in the way and his condescending demeanor is not helping.

All White has really done at Tennessee is hire Josh Huepel, which surprisingly turned out well.
Josh pulled our beloved football program out of the decade of misery.
Whether he can get the Vols over the hump from good and back to elite is still a question.
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A glaring similarity between CJH and CKC is that both run systems that other coaches have picked apart after their initial introduction. Everyone thinks Heupel was Bob Stoopā€™s scapegoat at Oklahoma but in reality, defenses in the Big12 (if they really had defenses) had figured out Heupelā€™s system and tendencies. The word in Norman was that Josh wouldnā€™t budge on tweaking his system. The same can likely be said about Kimā€™s. I just donā€™t know that her ā€œdamn the torpedoes, full speed aheadā€ approach every second is sustainable.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Neyland is the only one with more than one unbeaten seasons. 75% of our Championships happened under Neyland.
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Which championships, National or SEC ?

Out of the 6 claimed national, Coach Neyland had 4.
Out of the 16 SEC, Neyland had 9.

As I said, Coach Neyland is the foundation and our greatest coach.
But Tennessee Football has continued to have elite seasons with subsequent coaches.
 
#87
#87
So Tennessee Football had ELITE seasons under the leadership of:

Derek Dooley
Butch Jones
Jeremy Pruitt
Lane Kiffin

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#88
#88
vol_smoothie said:
Which championships, National or SEC ?

Out of the 6 claimed national, Coach Neyland had 4.
Out of the 16 SEC, Neyland had 9.

As I said, Coach Neyland is the foundation and our greatest coach.
But Tennessee Football has continued to have elite seasons with subsequent coaches.
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Both, really. He is the only team to consistently beat all our rivals and roll off undefeated seasons similar to what you see with Saban, Bear Bryant, and other legendary coaches. He was 75% of our program's success and your post supports it.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Both, really. He is the only team to consistently beat all our rivals and roll off undefeated seasons similar to what you see with Saban, Bear Bryant, and other legendary coaches. He was 75% of our program's success and your post supports it.
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My post supports exactly what I claimed which is that Tennessee Football has had continued elite success after Coach Neyland retired.
I never said that Dickey, Majors or Fulmer was the greater coach. Are you one of those people who lives to argue and has to be right all the time ?
 
#90
#90
Voltopia said:
BOOOOOOO. Boo this person. Boo them.

Also, I agree about another year.

But back to the booing. "Program had started to slide?" Where does this come from? 2007 and 2008 were back to back national titles, she was still recruiting top talent after that, and probably suffering from the early symptoms of Alzheimers the final few years before her diagnosis and retirement in 2012. Oh and those last three years while she was fighting that fight? 32-3, 34-3, and 27-9. That's "starting to slide"?

BOOOOO.
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Coach Summitt was ill. It certainly affected her whole life, including her work. It is grossly irresponsible for anyone to question the remarkable accomplishments in womenā€™s basketball at Tennessee and the world of womenā€™s sports in general. She was the best. Period.
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
I hate myself for saying this, but he's sounding an awful lot like Pat in that clip šŸ˜‘
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Believe it or not, Pat and Geno were very similar in how they ran their programs and the effort, the body language, the all out hustle they demanded. The discipline, the team first mentality, the defense. They really were 2 peas in a pod...its just he was the more obnoxious pea!
 
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