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Knecht traded to the Hornets | RESCINDED
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No need to get upset. DK is in a better situation for playing time after all the deadline trades. He was probably going to be 5th guy off bench at this point and not many teams play 10 guys in every game rotation.
To answer the question in previous poster Andrew Wiggins was drafted #1 overall by Cleveland and was traded 3 months later, never played a minute in Cavs uniform.
To answer the question in previous poster Andrew Wiggins was drafted #1 overall by Cleveland and was traded 3 months later, never played a minute in Cavs uniform.
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This. I honestly can't believe how little heat Lebron gets for the ramming through of Bronny to an NBA roster.
He is clearly not an NBA player and should have stayed in school much longer to develop.
Gil Arenas had a hilarious bit about Knecht not passing to Bronny. It's worth a watch (language warning) :
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Being on a bad team isn’t good for your development as a player. You don’t really have a successful team culture to help you develop good habits and you’re constantly at risk of getting moved from a team in constant rebuilding mode. As for Charlotte vs LA, a bigger house doesn’t mean much when your main pastimes are all outside of the house, and LA is way ahead of Charlotte on that front.
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I didn’t say anything about a bigger house. I was talking more about what you get for whatever you pay. Your money goes further in Charlotte. Unless something has changed dramatically, Dalton is not a guy that does a whole lot other than work on basketball. I’d be shocked if he was involved in the LA lifestyle type of activities.
There have been plenty of players that have developed on bad teams.
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I was watching the other night and they were celebrating as Bronny hit “his first NBA three”. But what they didnt mention is that he was 0/9 before that. Celebrating the guy being one for 10 from three point range was special. The media loves Bronny being there because it constantly gives them something to talk about and storyline.
The Hornets team that exists now has NEVER been a good team. The OG Hornets (88-02) are now the N.O. Pelicans (03-present). The one that exists now (14-present) was originally the Bobcats (04-13) is Micheal Jordans dark footnote. They have been a consistent bottom dweller in the weak east. Made the playoffs 3 times (lost in the first round all 3) in 20 years and have had lottery picks 17 of their 20 years of existence. In that time they have only produced 2 Allstars Kemba Walker and Lamello.
it is hands down the worst NBA franchise in history no competition. In fact it is likely the worst franchise in American pro sports. I would argue even the Washington Generals were better they did their job properly. The only comparable franchise in the NBA is hilariously the Pelicans but they have at least got out of the first round in the playoffs.
The hornets are a franchise like the Jets or Browns in the NFL.. cursed. Think of how many players played for the Hornets and went on to greatness? I can only think of four, Chris Paul, Glenn Rice (free agent), Baron Davis, and Alonzo Mourning all of those were to the Pelicans Hornets. The Bobcats Hornets have drafted more busts than hits their only good players drafted were SGA, Kemba, Melo and Tobias only 2 of those ever played for them. The fact they had so many good player is kinda common sense they pick in the lottery nearly every year. They do have a History of drafting and trading all-time greats though (Kobe (pelicans), SGA, even Tobias). The Bobcat Hornets have only once picked outside of the lottery.
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Its not about roles its about playing time. Because of their positional versatility Luka and James only need a decent center and the other 2 slots are whatever the best 3 and D guys you can muster. Its why the Lakers have a roster filled with tweeners. Lemon Daddy and DK were the exception to the rule on that roster. The rest of the rotational players are all guys that play 3-4 positions and/or +defenders.
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To your point, the Lakers are gonna have a historically bad defense.
Luka is a bad defender. LeBron is old and isn’t a good defender anymore. Reaves is bad. Mark Williams has potential to be good. But he isn’t yet.
There isn’t anymore room for minus defenders and Knecht is a minus defender in the NBA.
Luka and LeBron don’t need guys like Knecht that are 3 level scorers and can score off the dribble or bounce.
All you need to do, to play with those guys, is sit at the 3 point line ready to catch and shoot.
And be ready to play defense to make up for their lack of it.
Knecht just didn’t fit this new roster construction.
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Knecht fit perfectly on the roster. He was traded because he was literally the only asset they had that fit the bill. Williams is an actual defensive liability DK was not a negative defender just not a good one. trust me if they had another player on a 4 mil contract anyone wanted they would have traded them instead. DK was literally the only asset they had that fit the numbers. Reddish was included because he is on an expiring contract. Reeves is not getting traded but his contract was too big even if they wanted to. The luxury tax aprons make trades a lot more complex than ever before. The Lakers were on the first apron and very close to the second paron which severely limits how they can package assets. Being there even determines if and who they can acquire in the buyout market.
All the teams in the NBA are just now learning how to navigate this crap which is why this trade deadline has been so historical. Think about it even without the Luka trade this has been the most insane trade season ever. It is a roadmap of whats to come in the future. There will VERY rarely be 2 team trades and even those few will most likely be followed by other trades and roster moves. I think this year probably set a record for 3 and 4-team trades.
Mark WIlliams has 3 years of NBA experience and is an even more negative defender than DK by far at a position where being a liability on D is a huge deal. He is the last line of defense with no defense. He rebounds and scores and was getting pushed out by a 6'9 210 pound player on a 2 way in Charlotte. he has also been injured half his career.
As far as fit he is a better fit for the Laker's needs than DK right now on paper, because of the loss of AD and only if they are trying to win a championship now. Long-Term DK is a much better fit than Williams as they could have easily picked up a center in the offseason or waited for Christian Wood to get healthy. I predict that Williams will have issues beating out Jaxson Hayes.
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Yeah, I think if they draft well they could have something next year. If I were them I’d trade Ball with him being in demand and having the value he apparently has. That’s not a point guard I’d want to build a franchise around, but I’ll admit my knowledge is pedestrian. They’ve got a young center and pieces to build with. This year is trashed, of course, but I think they could take some steps next season provided they stay healthy and draft well.
there are about 20 years of history that beg to differ. Your point is very valid with pretty much any team except for the 2 Hornets franchises. Both the Bobhornets and the Beignethornets have long-long histories of being career-defining stops for players..Basically, if you spend more than a year on their rosters that's it for you. Between the 2 franchises, there is over 60 years of history (20 for the Bobs and 40 for the Beignets) and many more horror stories than happy ones.
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Luka and LeBron need shooters around them. Knecht is a shooter. His defense would have been problematic this year, but Knecht is not the guy who was ever going to initiate the offense with the Lakers or have the offense run through him, and he probably won’t ever be that guy anywhere. His role is totally different than theirs, and their presence doesn’t erase the need for his role, nor does it mean he wouldn’t have playing time. Two other wings were traded by the Lakers, which meant Knecht probably would have played as much or more than he was before, even with the addition of Luka. I was personally really hoping to see what he would do with all the open looks that would be coming his way.
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I can't wait to see some Melo to Knecht "oops". I bet we get at least one, nightly, if Knecht gets 15-20 minutes a game and I think he will. Melo should draw plenty of attention and with his passing ability, I expect to see a couple of wide open 3's for DK. I'm predicting 15 points a game for DK for the rest of the year, in a Hornets uniform, especially considering Miller is out for the season. Btw, Melo got shafted, he should have been an all-star, this year, imo
I only watch former Vols, never a straight-up NBA game. I hope he gets an extended contract for big bucks and more playing time. All the Lakers did was run him over to the right corner so he could watch Lebron or their big man attempt a shot. It was pretty boring. Now, he can show his full skill set.
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Hornets' Dalton Knecht: Won't make Hornets debut Friday
Hornets' Dalton Knecht: Won't make Hornets debut Friday
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^ Even if he would have debuted tonight good luck finding the Hornets on t.v to watch him.Hornets' Dalton Knecht: Won't make Hornets debut Friday
Hornets' Dalton Knecht: Won't make Hornets debut Friday
You skipped the part of my post that agrees with you. I think DK fits the Lakers perfectly. The issue is they traded away AD and the CBA exists with the Lakers in the verge of the second apron.. Short term the Lakers feel they need a full-time starter at center instead of center by committee. DK is potentially better than Lemon Daddy, but, Reeves is proven and a better defender and more positionally flexible. Lastly contract numbers. When you are above the first apron you can no longer aggregate contracts in a trade... meaning you have to trade like for like.
The NBA has no hard salary cap (unless a team does certain things, sort of). This is important to understand. Theoretically even though the cap this year is 144.588mil its not like you have to stop there. There are 3 levels above it. Each gives more restrictions on what a team can do. NBA's 2nd apron explained, and the big questions it prompts
Taxable 170.814. Teams get taxed.. all that money gets split between teams not being taxed. This is how a lot of small teams in small markets survive. kinda how low-level SEC teams survive. It's also why SEC teams making tourneys helps UT even if it does not make it. Its a great system.
First apron 178.132 a lot of restrictions come in on what types of contracts the team can use and who they can sign. So in this instance the Lakers had to send out more in contracts in a trade than they take in.
Second apron 188.931 is kinda nuts.... there is a lot in evolved and basically don't get over the second apron unless you are 100% you're gonna win the championship.
Taxable is not new.. the second 2 were put in place to put further levels of ick on people overspending. But think about this you can go more than 26mil over the cap before you get in any trouble.
TLDR: sadly the NBA is a lot like college sports now where you need to do a lot of reading and learning to understand moves now. If someone is explaining a big trade in the NBA in 2 minutes they likely have no idea what they are talking about. Transactions now will take lots of research to understand.
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