Kinect/Natal

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So who else thinks this is going to be a huge fail for Microsoft?

I think the price tag alone will be a huge turnoff; they are basically asking people to pay almost the same price as a Wii for an accessory, and there might not even be a game packed in.

Also something I didn't even realize is how much they left out of this year's E3 showing that was in last year's showing. One is the Milo kid game/demonstration. A report came out in the last few days that stated it was always just a tech demo and never intended for a commercial release; not long after Microsoft released a statement saying the game was still in development, but it wouldn't surprise me if it never saw the light of day. Not that I'm totally complaining because the thing creeped me out a bit, but still it was something heavily hyped and to turn out to be nothing but a glorified demo seems dishonest.

The other thing is no mention or showing of the "scan object" thing they did last year, where the kid scanned in his skateboard. It's like it disappeared. I'm wondering if it too was something that was just a "it might do this one day" and a year later they realized it wasn't going to happen.

All in all...I think Microsoft falls flat on its face with this. I'm sure some will buy it but it just has fail written all over it.
 
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I like the "idea" behind this technology.... but I think Microsuck will do it wrong.
 
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lylsmorr said:
What is Kinect?
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It's what Natal became when Microsoft finally revealed to the world that the tool's whole purpose was to try to cash in on the casual gaming crowd with sports games, dancing, and petting tiger kitties.
 

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The price tag alone is going to do it. They're essentially marketing it at the price of another system ($150) but they're really marketing it is to the casual gaming crowd, most of whom honestly already own a Wii.....and the families that don't (and somewhat likely don't own an XBOX360 either) are going to have to pay $450 total (w/o games or LIVE included). I just don't think that will work...especially in this economy


The only thing that even made me consider Natal at all was the Ubisoft "Children of Eden" demo (Rez was a great game) but it turns out that game can be played w/o the motion capture


But yeah, who were any of us kidding if we thought motion control on the XBOX was going to be anything more than targeted at the casual audience. Microsoft pretty much just wants to copy Nintendo's success in the casual market....and really that's all they seem to care about with this thing
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So who else thinks this is going to be a huge fail for Microsoft?

I think the price tag alone will be a huge turnoff; they are basically asking people to pay almost the same price as a Wii for an accessory, and there might not even be a game packed in.

Also something I didn't even realize is how much they left out of this year's E3 showing that was in last year's showing. One is the Milo kid game/demonstration. A report came out in the last few days that stated it was always just a tech demo and never intended for a commercial release; not long after Microsoft released a statement saying the game was still in development, but it wouldn't surprise me if it never saw the light of day. Not that I'm totally complaining because the thing creeped me out a bit, but still it was something heavily hyped and to turn out to be nothing but a glorified demo seems dishonest.

The other thing is no mention or showing of the "scan object" thing they did last year, where the kid scanned in his skateboard. It's like it disappeared. I'm wondering if it too was something that was just a "it might do this one day" and a year later they realized it wasn't going to happen.

All in all...I think Microsoft falls flat on its face with this. I'm sure some will buy it but it just has fail written all over it.
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No Plans to Release Milo & Kate [Update] - Xbox 360 News at IGN

Excited by the prospect of bringing Milo home with you? Well, don't get yourself in too much of a froth as senior Microsoft staff suggest the demo which helped introduce what would become Kinect was nothing more than a technical exercise.

Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg told Australian TV show Good Game (watched by Kotaku) "[Milo] is a technology demo that continues to exist, but right now it's not a game that we're planning to bring to market."

This statement contradicts comments IGN previously received earlier this year from Peter Molyneux, promising that Milo is "very much a game with a lot more to do than just help someone with their homework."

Milo has been a project close to creator Peter Molyneux's heart for over a decade, going under the name Project Dmitri and forming the spectacular centrepiece to Microsoft's E3 conference last year.

While it was only behind closed doors at this year's E3 it'll be shown again at a talk by the Lionhead boss at Oxford's TED Global. We're reaching out to Molyneux to ask if he'll let Milo come out to play.

Update: Aaron Greenberg has issued this response to his comment about the release of Milo:

"Project Milo absolutely continues in development at Lionhead Studios, it is just not a product we plan to bring to market this holiday. The team at Lionhead Studios has always been a center of innovation and will continue to deliver against that charter."
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I would love to know what the % of households that run xbox live who also own a wii.
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BearCat204 said:
why?
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I'm assuming b/c the Kinect wants to break into that market....assumedly though most of the "casual gaming" families would have to already have a 360, but at this point too (so late into console life) you'd have to think alot of casual gaming families already have a Wii to suit that need
 
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From my early impressions of Kinect, it is a great improvement over the Wii motion based controls. IMO
 
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BearCat204 said:
From my early impressions of Kinect, it is a great improvement over the Wii motion based controls. IMO
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but there's a whole great deal that's the problem (while yes I get that ideally, full body capture control should work much greater than a motion controller, but it doesn't appear to play any better into the actual gameplay or be applied to future non-casual titles)

Reading up on all the E3 reviews, there's not really any improvement or innovation on the part of microsoft (as far as gameplay)....it's just "hey here's the same thing; we're just calling it by a different name [and look kinectimals won't remind anyone of nintendogs, not one bit!...nor will our exercise, dance, or sports games]. They almost just copied and phoned it in b/c they think that's all it takes to get into that casual market, which is all they want here.

...believe me, there's a bunch to this and more why most of XBOX's consumer base was upset by this year's E3 showing


Of course, just as big a problem is the price is almost that of another system...if they want to cut down on the Wii's share in the casual market, it's not going to get done with a $150 add on. Maybe it will keep some XBOX only households from also buying a Wii, but it's not going to get back some of those split households or convert any Wii households
 
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BearCat204 said:
From my early impressions of Kinect, it is a great improvement over the Wii motion based controls. IMO
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I don't see it at all.

The first demos the detection didn't look like it was super sensitive as it was originally hyped; and that is one of my biggest problems with the Wii, that even with the Motion Plus add-on, the motion detection still isn't all that great.

Secondly, this time there is no controller. You'll be acting like you're having a seizure to play the games, and this point there's been no measure of how accurate the sensor bar even is. On top of that, all of the games shown so far with a few exceptions are pretty much the same thing the Wii was offering almost 4 years ago.

Price tag, lack of originality, and hardware that probably won't even deliver half of what it promised....it looks like a monster brick.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Of course, just as big a problem is the price is almost that of another system...if they want to cut down on the Wii's share in the casual market, it's not going to get done with a $150 add on. Maybe it will keep some XBOX only households from also buying a Wii, but it's not going to get back some of those split households or convert any Wii households
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I'll be getting this since my kids are getting older and are outgrowing the Wii and are playing the 360 more...plus the Mrs can just do her Wii board stuff on the 360 now...

Me personally...could care less about it..they will sell plenty of these to certain demographics like myself and Cat...
 
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volmanbill said:
Has anyone heard anything about the PS3 Move?

PlayStation®Move | Sony PlayStation Move - PlayStation®3 System
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plenty.

It's a black wii-mote with a glowing ball on top that makes it look like a dildo :p



nah i kid.


Sony had a pretty good showing. I think it actually went a bit better since they showed their new tech actually incorporates into some of the non-casual gameplay games. I forgot the announced price together of the two controller parts plus the camera....it's somewhere in that E3 2010 thread
 
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I've seen a combo pack coming out with the controller, camera and multi sports game for $100. The camera will supposedly detect the controller for more realistic reaction. I may have to check it out when released.
 
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NCGatorBait said:
I'll be getting this since my kids are getting older and are outgrowing the Wii and are playing the 360 more...plus the Mrs can just do her Wii board stuff on the 360 now...

Me personally...could care less about it..they will sell plenty of these to certain demographics like myself and Cat...
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I'm curious why you're viewing getting this for the more mature age group end...they haven't released anything that is either more mainstream or designed for an older audience yet (it's really just the wii sports looking graphics game and the pet the tiger kittens game, those are really the only types of games they've shown for it)

wouldn't it be better, since it seems to be casual only at this point, to let the kids play the regular xbox games for a while (if they're interested in them) and wait and see if this thing evolves into something that does more non-casual game wise (they sound more interested in those currently) rather than solely the brightly colored kinect sports and kinectimals (which sounds like the types of things you're saying they're now getting bored with) that have been shown before choosing to purchase it?
 
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TrueOrange said:
I'm assuming b/c the Kinect wants to break into that market....assumedly though most of the "casual gaming" families would have to already have a 360, but at this point too (so late into console life) you'd have to think alot of casual gaming families already have a Wii to suit that need
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Bingo
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volmanbill said:
I've seen a combo pack coming out with the controller, camera and multi sports game for $100. The camera will supposedly detect the controller for more realistic reaction. I may have to check it out when released.
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For that price, I will probably pick it up. The wife has been wanting a Wii, so I'm sure this would make her happy.
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