Kiffin Strikes Again

[Berserker Vol]

Historically, Baton Rouge had significantly more plantations than Oxford. Further, I just presume anyone pretending to be upset at the Confederate flag is a full blown racist themselves. IF that hurts recruiting, then so be it.

The Confederate flag is an inherently hateful, racist symbol. How can you claim otherwise when millions of people were enslaved and experienced, physical, sexual and emotional violence under it? Are you thinking of the "heritage not hate" nonsense? If the Confederate flag is heritage, it is a heritage of hatred and cruelty. I'm not "pretending" to be upset at the Confederate flag, I'm actually disgusted by it- just like I would be for a Swastika. I would love a Confederate flag etched into the bottom of my toilet bowl so I could piss and crap into it on a daily basis. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying and if so- I apologize.

 

[GVF]

The Confederate flag is an inherently hateful, racist symbol. How can you claim otherwise when millions of people were enslaved and experienced, physical, sexual and emotional violence under it? Are you thinking of the "heritage not hate" nonsense? If the Confederate flag is heritage, it is a heritage of hatred and cruelty. I'm not "pretending" to be upset at the Confederate flag, I'm actually disgusted by it- just like I would be for a Swastika. I would love a Confederate flag etched into the bottom of my toilet bowl so I could piss and crap into it on a daily basis. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying and if so- I apologize.

I do believe people see and interpret the flag differently and for different reasons. Right, wrong, or indifferent. Black and white. I've known blacks that equally hated it or saw no issue with it. I grew up in middle GA about 15 mile south of Atlanta Motor Speedway. For, me and how we were raised, I just never felt the impulse to have to embrace the flag one way or the other to make any sort of personal statement. I grew up in a mixed church and I'm grateful for the neutrality that gave me in not seeing things as strictly black or white in the south. I would have missed out on some great lifelong friends. As for the south in general, I find it no more segrational or racial than the midwest or PNW rural strongholds. If I were a young black athlete I'd be more concerned being recruited to Idaho than anywhere in the South. Having said that I am aware from friendships that there are still isolated pockets in hte south where one would not want to be seen after sundown, and they have been told as much. And one of those pockets is not far from me in wonderful middle TN. (same place where there was an unsolved incident not even 15 years ago now). And the story of that experience is straight from the horses mouth. And he grew up in Humboldt and didn't go through that there to this extent. The flag, nor the need to sell myself on a meaning of it has just never been a part of my life. I see it as more of a personal complex issue thinking why one needs to ride around with it flying off the back of the truck. What's the point. Do you not know who you are without it.

 

[WillisWG]

found his voice after leaving, not surprised

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

I do believe people see and interpret the flag differently and for different reasons. Right, wrong, or indifferent. Black and white. I've known blacks that equally hated it or saw no issue with it. I grew up in middle GA about 15 mile south of Atlanta Motor Speedway. For, me and how we were raised, I just never felt the impulse to have to embrace the flag one way or the other to make any sort of personal statement. I grew up in a mixed church and I'm grateful for the neutrality that gave me in not seeing things as strictly black or white in the south. I would have missed out on some great lifelong friends. As for the south in general, I find it no more segrational or racial than the midwest or PNW rural strongholds. If I were a young black athlete I'd be more concerned being recruited to Idaho than anywhere in the South. Having said that I am aware from friendships that there are still isolated pockets in hte south where one would not want to be seen after sundown, and they have been told as much. And one of those pockets is not far from me in wonderful middle TN. (same place where there was an unsolved incident not even 15 years ago now). And the story of that experience is straight from the horses mouth. And he grew up in Humboldt and didn't go through that there to this extent. The flag, nor the need to sell myself on a meaning of it has just never been a part of my life. I see it as more of a personal complex issue thinking why one needs to ride around with it flying off the back of the truck. What's the point. Do you not know who you are without it.

Helen Georgia is like that. My ex wife and I stayed at the Windmill. I was young and naive. Never again, and I have family in Cleveland and Gainesville. To see people that have never experienced racism comment on it is wild. I've never given birth, but my wife has. I would never speak on the ease or difficulty of pregnancy, but men do it all the time. Most times, it's the usual suspects. They know everything. They know what's best. The truth is, They don't know anything. They just want to control things.

 

[stolitonic]

And most importantly My Grandmother.

Olivia can carry a grudge. Fulmer said the first question Olivia asked him when he visited Peyton was “how well do you know Steve Kiner”

Gotta admit, I did not know of the bad blood lol.....

Had to dig a bit to find the connection.

Certainly an interesting read

Solid post sir.

 

[GVF]

Helen Georgia is like that. My ex wife and I stayed at the Windmill. I was young and naive. Never again, and I have family in Cleveland and Gainesville. To see people that have never experienced racism comment on it is wild. I've never given birth, but my wife has. I would never speak on the ease or difficulty of pregnancy, but men do it all the time. Most times, it's the usual suspects. They know everything. They know what's best. The truth is, They don't know anything. They just want to control things.

There are pockets around. The south will always be that, even though i'm firm in my assertion that there are many places north of the south that are worse. Maybe I was naive to the extent of how people could be. To this day I do not recall any significant divide or racial strife amongst my class of '83. This friend is close to 10 years older than me. Black. Minister. Big influence in my life since I was 11 when we met. He rides, and alot of his riding friends are white. They pulled into a gas station on a Saturday ride up in N GA somewhere. About 15 of them. He was only black in group that day. Incredible person. They were all getting stuff and he went to counter to pay for his. Dude told him he needed to move his bike before he could serve him. No reason given. No one else. just him. Was said to him with that vibe only a black person would detect I suppose. So all his white friends one by one passed up to the counter and laid everything they were gonna buy on the counter as they all went out the door with him. In his own words, it was meeting my parents and a few others during his college time as a bible major when we all met him that changed his mind on racism. I just never could imagine this particular person ever being treated like that. He's such a fantastic person it was foreign to me. He literally never forgets a person he meets. always ends up with their phone numbers and to this day I fully believe he gets through his rolodex atleast 3 times a year because that's about how many phone calls I get from him each year to see how i'm doing. And always when you seem to need a call from him specifically. Outside of my own dad, probably the single greatest human I have ever known. Color is only an issue if you choose to make it so. And I'm not talking you gotta have a spouse or girlfriend different than you to prove you aren't. I'm just talking basic human choice.

 

[GVF]

Helen Georgia is like that. My ex wife and I stayed at the Windmill. I was young and naive. Never again, and I have family in Cleveland and Gainesville. To see people that have never experienced racism comment on it is wild. I've never given birth, but my wife has. I would never speak on the ease or difficulty of pregnancy, but men do it all the time. Most times, it's the usual suspects. They know everything. They know what's best. The truth is, They don't know anything. They just want to control things.

Having lived for 16 year a little over an hour from Helen, and also worked in Cleveland myself, have been there plenty. Never really got that vibe there, but at same time we didn't look for it cause acting like that toward others issn't our thing. Was I cautious growing up where I did. sure. There were places in town, neighborhoods. There were some you had to cross to get to hte city park, and i did many times on my bike without incident. We were not expected to be seen and if we went there, the residents arouns would assume we were up to no good. I've never tried to tell a black person or black friend how to feel about what they've encountered. How would I know. But, who I did know they knew how I treated others, so maybe I got looked over and got free passes. One thing I have always felt though is there is racism, which is hatred out right of something not you. And there is prejudices which is maybe an discomfort of unfamilarity that diminishes with exposure and interaction. I do know that one of the black kid at church had no issue going to Oxford in the mid-80's as a tailback there. Got a trip to the Vikings for a few years out of it till the knees gave out.

Unfortunate it still exists though, but as long as humans inhabit the earth it will exist. Same preacher, his oldest son was always a very gentle soul. He has grown up and lives in Charleston. He's been profile stopped by GSP on the way back from visiting pops in ATL before.